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A non Grinding MMORPG

Shalak1989Shalak1989 Member Posts: 96
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     I have searched and have yet to find a good non-grinding mmorpg so .... maybe you guys can list one for me I would like it to be F2P or have a trial period.

DO NOT LIST the following

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Guildwars

World of Warcraft

Risk your life 2

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  • HadesprimeHadesprime Member Posts: 303
    there isn't one

    What makes games good or bad is how well they hide and diguise the grind as something else.

    WoW does do it well from 1 to 59 the first time through. The end game and your second toon is where you really see it and go ugg.




  • TuutobTuutob Member Posts: 607
    Guild Wars is only one you'll find, don't know hwy its on your pissyfit list.


  • theanimedudetheanimedude Member UncommonPosts: 1,610

    Yep, Guild Wars, Rakion, and MMO Action games are your only bet. MMORPGs all have grind

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  • GruntyGrunty Member EpicPosts: 8,657

    *Sigh!*

    Here it is. Again.

    http://www,progressquest.com

    "I used to think the worst thing in life was to be all alone.  It's not.  The worst thing in life is to end up with people who make you feel all alone."  Robin Williams
  • Shalak1989Shalak1989 Member Posts: 96
    well how is shadowbane then:O
  • theanimedudetheanimedude Member UncommonPosts: 1,610

    Originally posted by grunty
    *Sigh!*Here it is. Again.Progress Quest

    Lol the link is bad, I fixed it in the quote ::::15::

    I used to let progress quest run in the background, just for fun ::::18::

    EDIT: Darn, I didn't fix it... stupid forum system. Fixed.

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  • beethoven89beethoven89 Member Posts: 21
    I think in general, you're not going to find a MMORPG without a grind. Your best bet would most likely find one that attempts to disguise the grind. Saga of Ryzom tries to make gameplay more interesting with a progressing world and alot of things to explore with. But I don't really think the point of a MMORPG would be to focus on the grind. Instead of trying to boost the in game avatar to the highest level (which will always turn into a grind), maybe you could focus more on community, the envoriment, all those things.

    And stay away from WOW, its nothing but one massive grind.



  • Xblade724Xblade724 Member UncommonPosts: 54
    EVE Online is a non-grinding game. It's EXTREMELY unique and has a trial. You will either love it.. or hate it. Good luck, my friend!

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  • AelfinnAelfinn Member Posts: 3,857

    Originally posted by Shalak1989
    well how is shadowbane then:O


    Grinding, and lots of it, the FFA pvp doesnt give you nearly enough to earn either good amounts of cash or level up seriously, all the smart players store their gold before going anywhere, and the not so smart ones lose all of it.

    EVE Online is the only remotely decent MMO that doesnt make you grind to one degree or another, it is however very difficult to get into and you practically need an associate's degree in it to be any good.

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  • ParkCarsHereParkCarsHere Member Posts: 666

    ( I know you said don't list Guild Wars and WoW, but honestly, that's all there is...)

    Guild Wars - Level cap is at 20 and it doesn't take long to get there. Mostly fun experience getting to 20 as well. Doesn't feel like a grind at all.

    World of Warcraft - While it has "grind" elements, it is "hidden" very well for your first run through (and maybe your second, if you play on a different faction). 1-60 is easily achieved and the different zones, NPCs, and quests (sure they're the same KIND [kill x and return to y] but different places/mobs/etc...) help keep it varied enough.

    If none of these work... then try Eve - Do whatever you want whenever you want. Just a bit slow for my liking, and the community can be "stuck up" sometimes... there is a 14 day trial though, so you can try that.

    As for the free to play games... all of them are grind fests. That's why they're free! I advise you, like everyone else trying to find an MMORPG, to TRY FREE TRIALS! That's what they're there for!

  • TactisTactis Member Posts: 37

    I know u said not to list Guild Wars but dude that is it. I mean if u cant handle the small grind to get to level 20 u wont find anything shorter in any other mmos(debatable, plz don’t jack thread with GW is not an mmo) IMHO.

  • HadesprimeHadesprime Member Posts: 303

    Originally posted by Xblade724
    EVE Online is a non-grinding game. It's EXTREMELY unique and has a trial. You will either love it.. or hate it. Good luck, my friend!

    you call sitting at a gate waiting for a pirate NPC to spawn that might have the key you need to advance for a couple of hours not a grind ? Lets not talk about the grind to 3mIllion SP just so you can set foot into 0,0 space ;)

    Eve online is a grind just as much as any other MMO. Has its strong points and weak points. You just need to decide what kind of grind you can live with.

    ;)
  • CleffyIICleffyII Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 3,440
    Might I introduce a game I concepted out myself.  Its called "Cleffy's Donation Game"  It has instant gratification.  For every dollar you donate to me you gain 1 level; and there is no level cap.  Also ranks appear on my homepage and is updated continuously.  Are you interested?

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  • MajorBiggsMajorBiggs Member UncommonPosts: 709

    Originally posted by CleffyII
    Might I introduce a game I concepted out myself.  Its called "Cleffy's Donation Game"  It has instant gratification.  For every dollar you donate to me you gain 1 level; and there is no level cap.  Also ranks appear on my homepage and is updated continuously.  Are you interested?
    you know..that sounds better than most of the crap out there atm.

    win :D  
  • WolfjunkieWolfjunkie Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 985

    Originally posted by Xblade724
    EVE Online is a non-grinding game. It's EXTREMELY unique and has a trial. You will either love it.. or hate it. Good luck, my friend!

    Are you telling me, that i could be succesfull in EVE without ever grinding missions/mobs/mining/crafting? I thougth so. You need ISK. ISK is power. Without ISK, you get nowhere. ISK doesn't drop from the trees.
    Just because you don't level grind/skill grind, doesn't mean grind isn't included in the game.
  • freebirdpatfreebirdpat Member Posts: 568

    Are you telling me, that i could be succesfull in EVE without ever grinding missions/mobs/mining/crafting? I thougth so. You need ISK. ISK is power. Without ISK, you get nowhere. ISK doesn't drop from the trees.
    Just because you don't level grind/skill grind, doesn't mean grind isn't included in the game.

    It all depends on what you define as "success". 0.0 is pretty much empty, and there are a few corps that will support you to be a zerg, ie. cheap T1 ship, thrown at the enemy. Numbers can matter a bunch, so just having someone else to help deal out that little bit extra of damage or tank or lockdown that pilot for a little longer can help a bunch.

    There are other options too, like the ISS Navy, which is part of an alliance of 1700, one of the "top 5" in EVE. They offer free t1 frigates, cruisers, and battlecruisers. They also offer free tech 1 modules and some t2 modules for free. And insurance reimbursement for their pilots in PvP.

    There are pirates that live in low sec, and just kill, they don't rat unless the rat happens to be in the way, or as a last resort because there is nothing else to do, but they don't do it for a living.

    So yes, you could be successful without ever grinding missions/mobs/mining/crafting. And actually I have been very successful in the past few weeks playing the market, my logins haven't been as "frequent" it did require some cash I earned from missions.

    Over the past few weeks I made a very smart investment. I invested like 53 million of my ISK into some items that I sold and yielded me 82 mil in ISK. So yes, ISK can drop from trees if you know which trees drop ISK. I also know of a guy that started with 10 mil in ISK and made 100 mil in 2 weeks on a trial account. Just buying and reselling for a slightly higher price in a hub system, he never really left the station or so he says.

  • magicalstevemagicalsteve Member Posts: 116
    Only MMORPG without a grind that I can think of is WWIIonline.

    You rank up and gain access to all vehicles and weapons by successfully completing missions.

     Technically you can grind if you want, by just defending bunkers all day to ensure successful missions, but that's really easy and it doesn't take long to get access to everything the game has to offer.



  • JaziaJazia Member Posts: 584

    Originally posted by ParkCarsHere
    World of Warcraft - While it has "grind" elements, it is "hidden" very well for your first run through (and maybe your second, if you play on a different faction). 1-60 is easily achieved and the different zones, NPCs, and quests (sure they're the same KIND [kill x and return to y] but different places/mobs/etc...) help keep it varied enough.


    haha... ::::03::

    so easily entertained or maybe easily tricked...or both

    I don't see how it hide well...it can't be more clear that it is one ordinary grinding game. Varied enough? Which MMO does not have many different mobs for different levels to grinding on?

  • SuitepeeSuitepee Member Posts: 921

    Originally posted by grunty

    *Sigh!*
    Here it is. Again.
    http://www,progressquest.com

    Lol I still have that,I think. 

  • Synyster777Synyster777 Member Posts: 301

    Since when was the wow grind hidden well? I went from 1-30 then relised wtf am I doing?!?!?!? same quests same monsters same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same salami same sam sausage same same same. World of Grindcraft as my friend called it.

    EDIT: btw I play lineage 2.....anyone else see the irony? caus I don't....Lineage II for me is less of a grind then WoW but then again thats just me

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  • nomadiannomadian Member Posts: 3,490
    DDO possibly

  • holythoughholythough Member Posts: 236

    Originally posted by Xblade724
    EVE Online is a non-grinding game. It's EXTREMELY unique and has a trial. You will either love it.. or hate it. Good luck, my friend!

    You ever wanted to get faction in eve ? a grind

    You ever tryed to mine your own minerals for a bigger spaceship ? a grind

    You ever needed money for something expensive in eve ? can't be done withouth a donation or euh  ..... a grind

    good game though but grinding has one advantage you have some control on how fast you progress in eve at some point the progression of the skills you want gets so slow you really want it to be an exp grinding game the tidious waiting until you finally get that skills gets annoying aswell at least that killed the game for me sooooo long wait on new skills at some point its just not for the not so casaul players

    problem with every and i mean EVERY mmorpg is that to get it so full with content that it won't be a grind would be a really big programming grind so either players loose or programmers but hey the programmers have the power !

  • SinitassuSinitassu Member Posts: 67
    Maybe we are really missing the point, maybe we should ask our selves "why?". I think the main reason for gameproducers to put in grinding is because it is easy content. You don't really have to develop a particularly good storyline to implement a grinding quest. I.E. "These bands of bandits have plagued our land for too long, you go and slay them all" As you see there is a very shallow plot and for a good character it seems like a good enough reason while an evil character might do it for the fun of killing or for the money. So grind is easy content.

    A stupid example of this is WoW. You might grind wolves for their paws, you need eight of them. But as you kill them you notice that there are wolves thet actually have no paws at all. Ridiculous, but keep player busy for a while.

    Thats why I'm a big fan of realism. Your first step in becoming a mighty warrior should be training. People don't just grab a sword and go in to battle. First they train together or by them selves. Of course they can't be the best without some real situation experiense, but a begining should be mainly social.

    Ok so how do I think it should be done. Most exp/skillraises etc. should be gained by social skills, interaction with other people (NPC and PC alike) and quest should be more complex, of course making grind quests is easier, but if you think about Fallout 2 in example, all quests have consequences. Now everyone is thinking "It is a sp game, of course it can't be done in a mmorpg". And the answer is WRONG! It no doubt requires more work, but the outcome might be something incredible, people might actually have to do quests together for reasons beyond "the monsters are too hard to kill if I don't have a party". Quest would replenish over time but for the time being they would be the heroes, giving them respec in the community and of course giving them enemies.

    And this went almost of topic. Sorry guys, I just hate grinding as much as the one posting this thread ;)

    For you I'd propably sugest EvE if you have the time to learn it.

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  • Draco91Draco91 Member Posts: 134
    Every MMO out there (including Guildwars) has some kind of grind. Grinding has become part of the MMO genre. Taking the grinding out of an MMO would be like taking ammuniton out of an FPS. You just can't do it. Disguising the grind, as has been said, is about as far as it will get. Guild Wars does it well. You have a storyline to follow that doesn't really seem like much of a grind at all, and you'll be at the level cap of 20 long before you finish the story. Also.. you can still play a grinding MMO without really focusing on the grind primarily... for example... you could play WoW, but rather than playing on a normal or pvp server, play on an rp or rppvp server. The grind will still be there, but you can focus more on roleplaying if you want. Even if you've never roleplayed before, if you find a good RP guild, it can help take a lot of the focus off of the grind.

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  • RollinDutchRollinDutch Member Posts: 550
    EVE is as much of a grind as you make it. If you go into the game looking for a grind (as most people coming from other mmogs do), then you will find it.

    I spend almost no time generating isk and PvP constantly. Odd how that works for me.


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