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Non-Boring Combat in MMPORPGs

mjaygmjayg Member UncommonPosts: 41
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I started this thread - http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion.cfm/loadforum/498/loadthread/8159/setstart/1/loadclass/171

In which I said:

"I read the interview about combat in UXO and want to know more. One thing that bugs me with MMORPGs is how they are mostly "hit and button and take a nap" style combat. I'll take a Halo break now and then and always wish combat in my fave MMORPGs could be more like that..."

Since the discussion opened up to more than UXO thought I would "move" the thread. Since my last post been trying the Lineage 2 beta and though the graphics are amazing the gameplay is pretty standard with some plusses and minuses; the biggest of the latter being the same old hit some buttons and take a break combat.

Any comments on this or other games? I'm hoping to find a game with more interactive and fun combat than ones I've tried. I know it will be difficult for a MMORPG to have the pulse-pounding excitement of combat in Halo but I hope someone is out there trying!

UXO looks like a possibility though, like WoW, I am finding the cartoony look, strong similarities to EQ and the somewhat annoying/silly races turn me off.

My MMORPGs...
Current: AC1, AC2, D2
Past: UO, EQ, AO, M59
Briefly: EnB, DAOC, SWG
Waiting For: UXO, L2, CoH, DnD, MEO
(also really enjoying Halo!)

Comments

  • digitydarkmandigitydarkman Member Posts: 2,194
    Ultima Online has the best pvp imo, its fast paced and fun and usually has more then 4 people going at it, at the same time, last night we just all messing around in out new tower killin eachother, fun stuff


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  • mjaygmjayg Member UncommonPosts: 41
    Old school baby, old school! ;)

    My MMORPGs...
    Current: AC1, AC2, D2
    Past: UO, EQ, AO, M59
    Briefly: EnB, DAOC, SWG
    Waiting For: UXO, L2, CoH, DnD, MEO
    (also really enjoying Halo!)

  • QuessQuess Member Posts: 78

    if you are looking for FPS in a MMORPG, head over to Planetside.

    i dont play it anymore but i dit have a fun month or 2. i do thing they got a free week thingy there .. but you well have to look around.

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  • zensaberzensaber Member UncommonPosts: 787
    ya tha tgame rocks

  • mjaygmjayg Member UncommonPosts: 41

    Yeah PSide was recommended so will likely check it out. But looking for something more RPG oriented in the long run...

    My MMORPGs...
    Current: AC1, AC2, D2
    Past: UO, EQ, AO, M59
    Briefly: EnB, DAOC, SWG
    Waiting For: UXO, L2, CoH, DnD, MEO
    (also really enjoying Halo!)

  • Kriminal99Kriminal99 Member Posts: 377
    Neocron is a good one but pvp is meaningless in that game now.  Upcoming are face of mankind and priest.  Endless ages is another one but it takes a terribly long time to level because they have scaled the leveling process to people using macros... (brilliant)  Also pvp in that game is also quite meaningless at least at higher levels.  Until then equipment can be gained in combat and ammo/money can (pretty useless when you have nodrop equipment) 

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  • digitydarkmandigitydarkman Member Posts: 2,194


    Originally posted by Kriminal99
    Neocron is a good one but pvp is meaningless in that game now.  Upcoming are face of mankind and priest.  Endless ages is another one but it takes a terribly long time to level because they have scaled the leveling process to people using macros... (brilliant)  Also pvp in that game is also quite meaningless at least at higher levels.  Until then equipment can be gained in combat and ammo/money can (pretty useless when you have nodrop equipment) 


    yep EA was the shit in beta and begining of gold, but the devs have been slowly destorying the game since

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  • Fox_SirenFox_Siren Member Posts: 1

    The combat system in Asheron's Call is the best I've seen as it allowed free movement even during combat and there was a certain degree of skill involved in it.  But the player did not need to  have skill to survive and all it could do was make a certain few who knew how to use it bypass a few experienced based chalenges.  Then again, you've played AC so you already know this...

    A slightly expanded variant of this system would be nice, one that relied even more on the player's skill and included more ways to shape a battle.

  • paradymeparadyme Member Posts: 238
    Hey mjayg what server did u play on in M59?

  • ZzuluZzulu Member Posts: 452
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    Heh

  • Ramonski7Ramonski7 Member UncommonPosts: 2,662


    Originally posted by mjayg

    Any comments on this or other games? I'm hoping to find a game with more interactive and fun combat than ones I've tried. I know it will be difficult for a MMORPG to have the pulse-pounding excitement of combat in Halo but I hope someone is out there trying!

    The problem with trying perfect a formula for 'on-the-fly' combat (or something close to it) as appose to more 'turn-based' combat in a MMORPG is mostly due to performance. In most FPSs there is a limit to the number of people who can populate a playfield at a given time before lag becomes an issue.

    Not only that but players tend to enjoy the responsiveness they get when hitting a button and having your character act accordingly with little or no delay. Although I've never played Planet Side, I have to say those guys were pioneers by taking a chance and breaking the player limit(32) that most online FPS have. So to them /salute. Now with the foundation provided by their idea and many others who attempt this task. This type of engine can be tweaked and developed to suit a MMORPG.

    But that will take time and many, many failures. And I for one would hate it if my losing was caused by anything other than my lack of skills. Not too many companys are willing to take that chance of dealing with the problems of incorporating a 'real-time' combat system in a MMORPG. (i.e. slashing, thrusting, piercing, spellcasting and defense all done with controller inputs from the user.)

    And how many traditional MMORPG players out there would welcome such a system? I would love it for one. Hmm. Can anyone but me see the potential pitfalls in such an endeavor?   


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  • mjaygmjayg Member UncommonPosts: 41

    Been so long since I played M59 I couldn't tell ya. :)

    How is combat in Neocron, Endless Ages, Face of Mankind and Priest non-boring?

    My MMORPGs...
    Current: AC1, AC2, D2
    Past: UO, EQ, AO, M59
    Briefly: EnB, DAOC, SWG
    Waiting For: UXO, L2, CoH, DnD, MEO
    (also really enjoying Halo!)

  • ArcticwolfArcticwolf Member Posts: 81

    Ultima X: Odyssey has fast passed combat action fighting run around dodge deffencive system ect great combat alot different from Ultima online dont even compare those 2 games. Well yeah its not click get a sandwhich and come back and the monsters dead well what im trying to say its not borring combat

    -ArcticWolf

  • LrdHadesLrdHades Member UncommonPosts: 164

    I like how UOX is handling it, and I hope that WoW offers a good experience.

    Spamming a button or two over and over, using /stick, and auto-combat are just plain boring.

     

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