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Buying a new car: manual or automatic?
Lanmoragon
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My car broke down and it wasn't worth fixing it, so im in the market to buy a new car. I have looked at a couple of models and am going to test drive them tomorrow. Favorites are the Mazda3 5 door which somebody at my work has and loves it, a few Hyundai models, possibly a Mitsubishi Lancer.
One question I have is how easy is it to learn stick? Since I will be financing and paying monthly for the car, price-for-value matters alot. Automatic transmission usually adds $800-$1000 to the price sticker, which if I wanted to spend an extra $800 it would be on something like the front/rear spoiler or a moonroof, etc. My mom drives a newer car that is a manual, so im sure I could learn how to drive it, but I would have to learn how within the next 2 weeks or so. I also like the look of driving a stick though im sure I will get told that its really a pain in the ass. So is getting an automatic transmission worth the extra cash?
One question I have is how easy is it to learn stick? Since I will be financing and paying monthly for the car, price-for-value matters alot. Automatic transmission usually adds $800-$1000 to the price sticker, which if I wanted to spend an extra $800 it would be on something like the front/rear spoiler or a moonroof, etc. My mom drives a newer car that is a manual, so im sure I could learn how to drive it, but I would have to learn how within the next 2 weeks or so. I also like the look of driving a stick though im sure I will get told that its really a pain in the ass. So is getting an automatic transmission worth the extra cash?
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Stick is hard to learn at first. As a matter of fact, you will think it almost impossible that people can be so accurate with the timing of their feet. It frustrated me for many years till one night a girlfriend finally took me to an open parking lot and we just practiced for a few hours till I had it down.
With enough practice (varies from person to person) you will get it. I had it fairly learned after some 3 hours of driving around the lot and a few deserted blocks.
Once you learn it though.. it's like walking, you will never think about it again and it's fun, fun, fun
But let me tell you that if you have a busy and backed up commute on a regular basis... u might prefer the automatic since you just don't have to think about gear shifting.
If your commute is a piece of cake, then this doesn't matter and you'll have a lot of fun driving stick.
And it burns less gas as well!
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u commute into Oakland in the morning? I cause it backs up a bit sometimes coming into SF in the morning sometimes, and going SF -> OAK in the afternoon rush just isn't fun.
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Manual all the way. Automatic is for wimps!
You can drive 'alot' faster with a manual (of course depending on engine size), you can really rag the engine as much or as little as you want. Once you've learned how to drive manually, it'll only be a matter of months before it's second nature. I don't even think about driving any more, it just comes naturally. Infact, I find it hard to drive an auto now, due to the lack of a clutch etc.
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To a degree I think it depends on what type a car you are looking at investing into. If you are looking at getting just a little four banger gas effiecient car to commute to work an back in, then I may lean towards an automatic if you have never driven a stick before. However, for any 6 cylinder I would say get the stick. I used to tell everyone I would never drive stick...but I lied...
My second car was a Nissan 240SX and I had to learn how to drive stick on the way home. I felt bad for my grandfather who co-signed with me, he looked like a bobbly-headed doll everytime I stalled on the way home. Now I drive a 3000GT VR-4 and I can not even fathom it not being a stick, you get to have more control over the car and it responds a hell of a lot better than an automatic. I am now of the belief that I will never drive an automatic again. It is cheaper and more gas effective as well.
Learning how to drive isn't that big a deal, I used to stall a lot...and for you, if you can learn to drive stick in the bay area, you will never have issues driving stick anywhere else in the US ever. More hills than you can shake a ..... well you get the idea.
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I drive a standard transmission. It's a lot harder to learn to drive one if you didn't stand learning how to drive in the first place on a standard, but it's not too terribly hard to learn otherwise. Generally speaking you won't have much problem once the car is moving, and shifts get much easier as they go up (2nd is easier than 1st, 3rs easier than 2nd, and so on). The thing that's hardest to get used to on a standard is going from a dead stop to moving. You have to get the timing down just right. Don't apply enough gas while you let out the clutch and your car will stall, apply too much and you'll peel out. It takes some time to get used to, and every car's clutch has a "sweet spot" that you'll have to learn, but once you get the hang of it you should be good.
One note about stalling: face it, it's going to happen eventually. I don't know anyone who's driven a manual for any amount of time who hasn't stalled out in the middle of the road. It's just going to happen. I don't care how much experience you have, everyone makes mistakes and the timing on a standard transmission isn't too forgiving.
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Also, I always find it cool when a girl drives stick (not like that you fools)...for some reason I think that say a lot about the girl.
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I prefer manual over auto, but living where you do if you go into San Fran often, the stick might be quite a challenge on those hills.
Another thing to consider. Repair costs. Auto is much more expensive to service and repair (at least in my experience).
Off topic a bit: I hope you are using the internet sales person at the dealership. I saved over 2,000 on each of my cars that way.
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I shoot for the curve... anything above that is gravy.
Saying automatic is for pussies is like saying "blowdriers suck! Towels rule!". Pointless.
I've driven both kinds of cars for several years, they both do the same job, take u from A to B. Each has its advantages and disadvantages.
Manual has better performance and economy, and it's a whole lot more fun to drive on an open road, but it's also a bitch to be stuck in traffic with that thing. After a while you start hating the clutch pedal and that first and second gear. Not just that, but u become a one-armed person because that gear hand will do nothing more than that... shift gears. neutral, 1st, neutral, 1st, neutral, 1st..., 2nd!!!! ohhh, back to neutral... 1st, neutral.... etc It sucks.
If you have never been stuck in traffic with an automatic transmission u don't know what u're missing, it's a whole lot easier. Much, much better for that. You don't get nearly as irritated or stressed out.
If I had the choice, and an easy commute, I'd pick manual. That's why I asked.
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When I do go up to the city its either to go to a baseball game, in which case we take the train, or if its for a friday/saturday night type of thing there is usually somebody else who drives that has an auto. I also don't travel that often when there is much traffic (work usually starts mid-late afternoon and goes until 9 at night).
Right now after looking and test driving a few models, I sorta have my heart set on the Mazda3 5 door. I sat inside of one today (somebody at work just bought one) and its pretty sick. A little more powerful than a Honda civic, sporty look, tons of standard options, pretty good gas mileage, and an ok price. If I was going to buy a little more "ordinary" looking car I would just get auto, but I really think the shifting looks good with a sportier car. Hopefully this sunday I can get a chance to get some time practicing with a manual. Also might be good to learn how to drive manual anyways.
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Stick all the way. So much more fun. I bet manual transmission cars get stolen less because only some car thieves know how to drive a stick. If I drive a manual now I'm constantly reaching for the gear shift and it's really wierd...lol.
Yesssss! Finnally a car topic! I am a car enthusiast and I highly recommend a manual over an automatic transmission anyday. The main reason for this is because from my personal experience driving a manual transmission involves a little more concentration of what you are doing therefor helping you concentrate on the road instead of messing with your cell phone or whatnot. The other day I drove a buddies jeep (AT), and I found myself not paying attention to what I was doing nearly as much.
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I can drink (water) and drive at the same time with my MT Car
, well in Europe most of us never even tried an AT, but MT is a lot less boring than AT, but i guess it can be dificult for someone who never used a MT.
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If anything I can always just move my arm like I am shifting if I am trying to impress a girl or something.
it really depends.
this manual tranny gets better gas mileage doesn't work all of the time it depends on the gear ratios.
the better the gear ratios the better the torque, horsepower, and gasmileage are.
a lot of cars now a days it doesnt make a difference with a 4 cylinder between 4 speed auto and 5 speed stick.
but on a car with a V8 or large v6 it makes a huge difference.
but overall i would go for auto because stick you wear down more on your tranny, clutch, etc in an urban city type environment because manual shifting is always no matter how skilled you are harder you the car then a modern(past 69) 400 hydro automatic transmission(every fucking auto has this practically), simple because an auto shift is nearly flawless in its shifting where you can grind and not even hear it in a manual.
my old celica GTS i dropped a 3.2 liter minaturized v6 in and put a 6 speed manual in got insane gas better mileage as a stick then i would have if i got a auto(not really an option on a racing car, but most them are 500 auto or sequential) but when i messed with the transmission oil i would have it analyzed by a mechanic friend of mine and every time their would be trace amounts of metal from the stop and go driving of an urban enivornment especially from putting it into reverse, because most people go strait from neutral to reverse when you should go first to neutral to reverse.
stick is a pain in the ass to do right in town and you cant fuck with a CD player etc, a lot while you do it if you like your car a lot.
overall decide if you for yourself but thats my insight.
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Having moved to automatic there is no going back.
As for manual being faster?
The only reason they don't use automatics in Formula 1 is that they have been banned. My Car has infinite gears I don't feel the transmition change and I can't work shift that fast.
Manual can be good fun in a sports car.
Having moved to automatic there is no going back.
As for manual being faster?
The only reason they don't use automatics in Formula 1 is that they have been banned. My Car has infinite gears I don't feel the transmition change and I can't work shift that fast.
Manual can be good fun in a sports car.
It's not about how fast you can change the gears (although beleive me, it's not hard to change faster than an auto), it's about leaving the engine revving for as long as YOU want. In an auto you can't stop the car from changing up a gear, even if you feel you could get a few more MPH from the selected gear. This is why you can drive faster using a manual car.
F1 cars would -NEVER- be automatic, for one it'd be impossible to create an automatic gearbox that can withstand 1000bhp, it'd also slow down the drivers 10 fold if they couldn't select their own gears for certain circumstances.