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Games stole my life, but WoW gave it back!
GoT1977
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Hi, im a new member and a bit edgy about posting incase i incur a minus penalty. I'm sure some clever person will now give me a minus anyway just for mentioning it but here goes my attempt at post number 1.
This WHOLE reason i found this site was because games stole my life away about 6 years ago. Well, about 25 years ago really but i started serious gaming about 6 years ago when introduced to counterstrike when it was in its Beta. (its okay, im heading towards mmorpg banta) This led me to start and run a counterstrike LAN called chookgamerz (see chookgamerz.com) and then once i gave the LAN off to a friend i moved interstate and started (shock horror) an internet cafe!! Yes, for a couple of reasons, one of them being so that i could live my dream and play games FULL TIME. Which i did for the following four years. I played Counterstrike, Warcraft III/TFT, Magic ONLINE and Ragnarok Online for the majority of that time (as well as real dice D&D which meant i would later look foward to the realease of DDO).
WoW was the last game i played and i left it for a new paragraph because it gave my life back, un-intentionally. The build up was huge, i knew about WoW early due to rumours on the net and then followed the buildup of WoW for at least a few years, i rightly cannot remember how long since i first heard rumours to when Blizzard first made a /wow wite on their webpage. (can anyone give me some historical dates here.) Rumours were spread far and wide and only about half of them came true, although later chatting with a Blizzard employee who also 'played' WoW (before being employed was an alpha tester for all blizzard games starting with starcraft) proved that some rumours were TRUE!!!! but were not followed thru. SUCH as the fact taht Boats were going to be included as Mounts in the original concept, small rowboats to travel up and down rivers and such. I'm not sure what benefit they would have had or HOW they would have worked if they would have worked like griffins or what BUT they were never used. The orginal Alpha i BELIEVE had the characters level to 10 but the boats couldn't be purchased yet from the shed where they were being sold. BUT just LIKE the SEIGE TANKS that could be seen for 1000 gold in the Open Beta (which i was juicing up over) you could go to the shop and view them. I could kill Blizzard for taking such temptations away from me... curses to ye!!
Anyway... i soon became embroiled in what would later be called "Guild Dramas" and was a guild leader for a year and a half before eventually quitting WoW and now games all together. I sporadically play Magic Online still and am waiting with abated breath for version THREE. Why did i quit wow? Because i didnt have 4 to 5 nights a week to seriously put into the game and couldn't professionally raid or lead raids. I was either too busy working in my shop, or on my days off with someone else working and i never played PC games on my days off instead spending them with an ungrateful friend (another matter but related thus the mention). Also i got sick of the G R I N D. I gotta space that word out because its the cause to the END (END) <END> [END] of my gaming life!!! I just cant stand the friggin endless grinding in MMO's. I have become distraught about the fact that no games are entertaining me anymore. I LOVE online gaming because you play with real people and it will forever FASCINATE me because i come from that unique agegroup (im 29 if you wanna check) that was not only introduced to Online Multiplayer gaming during their early 20's but introduced to computer games during the primary school age ... bom bom bom... IN THE HOME!!! What i've done since quitting games is search for something that can meet the following requirements for ME.. FOR ME....
1. ONLINE and MULTI PLAYER
2. FUN
3. GOOD Character Creation allowing creation of a very unique LOOKING character and unique SKILLED character.
4. Small Monthly fee or no fee
5. No need for Grinding to get anywhere
6. More to the end game then endless big party raiding.
IF anyone can point me in the right direction in what to give a TRIAL to i'd appreciate it. So far i've trialed DDO and EVE and quit both of them already. Just can't handle and don't like certain aspects of those games. Please note also when looking at my 6 criteria that i didn't mention COMBAT. I don't care if its combat or not and i WILL be giving Uru Online a go once its out jsut to see if its what im after... maybe it will be but previous URU graphics and info didn't impress me, this new one had better be ..... better.
anyway... good to make my first post, hope i dont get overly flamed by all you MMO pros 
have fun...
GoT
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could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Great post, and damian7 makes a good point. I to have been wrapped up in the MMO genra for many many years. It's hard to maintain a solid life when you enjoy something so much, it's all you think about. The key here is you have total contol over it, and can make the changes needed when ever. Keep your chin up, eventually an MMO will come out that has what most of us are wanting and looking for.
Hey u two, thanks for the replies, makes me feel a bit better to know theres people that understand what im talking about. I've spent ages talking to WoW addicts that i'm friends with about it and they also get it completely. Most of them are so into it that its all that they ever want to talk about which is hard because im not in that scene anymore so i find it hard to get excited about their latest GRINDING achievements.
I'm also a little depressed about the fact that i don't have a full time game to keep me involved since i've been doing it for so many years, since that day about 7 or 8 years ago when i first experienced counterstrike. Previous starcraft experience had clearly got me prepared for lanning but CS got me hooked with the net. I just hope that some clever designers out there find a way to combine a great game for the hard core players that the people who want to take it easy can play too, something where you can put a lot of creativity into your character as well as impress with your gaming skills (which are fairly lacking in 40 man raids compared to 5 manners). I've had some ideas but i think sending them to blizzard would be silly. I think they'd either a, ignore them or b, be not allowed to use my ideas incase i ask for compensation. so dunno how far i'll go with it.
But its always good to talk about.
cheers,
GoT
Due to your list of want's I'm not sure any game is going to suit you perfectly but I would say give Dark Age of Camelot a try for a meaningfull end game.
It will also give you the siege machines you seem so keen on
EDIT = p.s. Welcome to the forums ( jungle ? ) and a
DAMN - I was going to give you a link to DAoC's site but the link button on here still isn't working
Just go to the DAoC forums and you should find your way from there.
Thats okay mate, yeah i've been reading the dark ages website for a while it was going to be one of the next ones i gave a shot to. It seems pretty interesting how theres sooooo many classes that you can go and how you go against the other Realms. Very interesting. One thing i was wondering though was HOW obsolete are a lot of these MMO's going to be by the end of the year with a whole batch of new ones coming out AND the WoW expansion. The Burning Crusade is either going to really do some damage to other MMO's OR kill WoW. It seems that Blizz may be getting lazy by not introducing any new classes even though they're introducing MOOOORE leveling up (which is basically pointless isn't it?) and new realms to adventure into.
Anyway, thanks for the tip, i'll keep reading about dark ages and hopefully meet some people that play it who can give me their opinions which is what i'd really prefer.
GoT
Guild Wars, Guild Wars, Guild Wars, etc.
But other than that, there are plenty of different kinds of armors that make you look different than the rest. I like how theres no set bonuses or 'uber-armor', because those two things make EVERYONE look the same at endgame WoW. Guild Wars is pretty much a game in which you can make your character look how you please and fight how you please, due to the mixing of classes.
Guild Wars, Guild Wars, Guild Wars, etc.
I will agree that Guild Wars is a good game but there is no character customization other than hair and skin colors. You can look at someone and know what class they are because they all look alike. Other than that I'd say give it a shot.
I couldn't agree more. Real life should always come first. Don't get me wrong, I love games, they are my hobby. Right now, I have like 18 installed on this computer. I'll play one of them from time to time for like an hour or so and I never let any game prevent me from enjoying my life and spending time with my family.
What deserves to be done, deserves to be "well" done...
I played DAoC for 4 yrs., starting in 2002. I was and still is a big grind, however, the grind isn't as bad now, but it still is very boring and it takes a long time for someone inexperienced and/or who plays casually. Just wait like you're doing now.
Personally, I play 3 games to keep things fresh and interesting. SWG, EQ2, and Oblivion. Neither one of those games are grindy (so far) and all I do is quest. If I were you, I'd just keep an eye out on future releases while you get reaquainted with life.
Good luck!
Try out Eve-Online if you like. Train skills while you eat, sleep or work. I will adimit that mining kind of suxs but oh well at least you can run missions. There are no levels in EvE-Online so no need to worry about that you just have to train your skills and that is done over time not by killing mobs. EvE-Online does have a learning curve but once you are over the hump you can really enjoy the game. Also you are going to want to join a corp ( aka guild ) ASAP in EvE because that will help you out big time. Try to find one that has a vent/ts server if you liike chatting with people. The game is very casual friendly because all you really have to do to train a character with good skills is to log in and switch to training another skill once one skill is done training. You can then do other things like run missions, mining or pvp in 0.0 space if you dare ( the game is Free For All PvP game with perma death if you haven't bought a clone ) or just log out and get on with your day.
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
Game(s) I Am Currently Playing:
GW2 (+LoL and BF3)
Thanks guys you're all extremely helpful. I think i will wait around to see what comes out. My preferred option would be to design a game that meets all of my personal criteria and also ensure that it is possible for serious gamerz to play also. I have one in mind but gee... where did all my programmers run off to?... oh.. i didn't have any?
lol... if only. i have always had some great ideas, fortunately some of them are pretty common ideas and appear in games which is great so heres wishing... and hoping... that the ones im thinking of now appear in the near future. I think Uru Online might hold the key as combat isn't 100% necesarry. I'll give it a whirl.. Apart from that i'll hang out and wait.
GoT
omg ..wow
the game isnt bad
but..i have 2 chars...1 prist and 1 warlock
b4 lvl 60 and endless inctances wow is fun..but after..fcing routine
i will not buy thatr burnbing thing....
~Greatness~
Currently Playing:
Nothing
I play lineage II and I think wow is a grind so eh.....I found wow to be more of a grind just because of the fact it was a terribly boring grind and everything you do is a grind people say if you get bored of grinding try quests! ok but the quests are boring and all the same to me so they say try crafting! which was even more of a grind. Alot of mmo's have grind nowadays even Guild Wars. In order to be a good pvp player you need all the right skills and armour which means you have to play a pve character until you achieve this goal. And the pvp isn't all that good anyways lol (just imo) and everyone starts to look the same when they grind hours on end getting money and materials for the uber looking armour in guild wars. and all the armour looks the same to me except for the uber expensive ones that dont give you extra benefits.
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you guys are making so much sense its scaring me.
Its the same as the way i'm thinking but the thing thats got me is this. The previous few posters had mentioned that i should try Guild wars but now you're talking about the Grind in it and although i don't have to technically take your word over theirs you ARE making a hell of a lot of sense about why you DONT like WoW anymore which is basically the same for me. Then the last poster after Synyster777 says similar stuff also to how i feel which is that ONLINE games are the way to go [without a doubt] but the same-old same-old dosn't cut it anymore.
It dosn't matter if its Blizzard or not anymore (i used to live for Blizzard even if they did do same-old) because basically what we need is some different games. Why does WoW have to be about getting better gear to be able to kill better bosses? That's so repetitive and pointless that its not funny. What ever happened to playing a game to see if you're any good at it? Like when i used to play CS? It was to see if you're any good and try to beat people. NOT to just try to play more HOURS to get more raid POINTS to get more GEAR. How friggin pointless.
What i think they need cannot be explained here either in words, and in a forum post. Perhaps i'll design a webpage to put across my views? perhaps i'll put together a package. But what we really need is ALL of the creative dissapointed gamers to get together, put together a PROFESSIONAL package demonstrating what the game community needs to freshen up and then present it to someone that'll listen.
Or maybe not because we're still gonna be getting dished up with the same old shit anyway.
Its the waiting game now. Wait to see if anything comes out that is different. Orginal concepts have never been hard to come into before, so why now.
Bring it on creative geniuses.
GoT
Ive been playing games since i was 6, i played mario, contra, bomber man and all those shitty NES game(mario isnt) for 5 years.... played starcraft as my first ever TRUE pc game (ive played some 2d games but this one was the one i prefer calling as my first) and then half life... first mmorpg was ragnarok online, my last was guildwars...
i~ku~ra
I'm looking forward to Hero's Journey, but it's not even in Beta yet...
Sure, I'm a bit of a fanboi, but... Anyway, it looks good. 'Specially if you're into RP. Anyway, you might look into it, if you feel like it. *shrug* I didn't much like GW, by the way. Vertually no character customization, no crafting, and, while I didn't play it for long, there didn't seem like there was much of a selection in armor. If only the old SWG was still around...
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... The waiting. It hurts.
My story is much the same as yours, been hardcore gamer many years. Games have never taken over completely, but I have definitely had to struggle to keep my priorities straight - I still have to
. I have loved mmorpgs especially the early ones like UO + AC/DT, but grinding pve runs is something I don't want to spend my time doing. The EQ/WOW line of clones insult my intelligence when they seem to think they can feed me some braindead item threadmill grind, instead of a real game.
So my man, if you like pvp and competitive mmorpg playing, where player skill means more instead of the ability to withstand braindead repetitive pve threadmill grind, then you might want to check out Darkfall.
Beta will hopefully be late this year or early next year. Personally I am just working rl and waiting for this game - no other mmorpg's I want to waste time on - have played abit AC-DT on off when I had time, that's it.
It will be FFA pvp, full looting, no instances, no safe zones. It will be a huge living breathing world with loads of drama and wars and betrayal, and will not require you to do repetitive pve grind to be competitive.
Khael[SUN]
SUN - peekayin since pong
Webdeveloper on:
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http://www.bloodmonarchy.com
I use to play a lot of games. Now I'm 26. I mainly stick to RPG's, RTS and MMORPGs. Since working with my hands all these years, I can still kick ass in a FPS, but my hands and wrist start to hurt from the quick movements.
I play usually one game and that's it.
I've seen the light years ago... or another good idea... don't upgrade for years and that will put a damper on your gaming.
you guys come up with some really good replies. I'm starting to feel much better about this whole shit situation that i've found myself in but ive realized that after playing games starting with the commodore64 since i was old enough to load tape i've put myself in this situation. My current magic deck for magic online luckily suffices to keep me entertained at the moment... barely.
I'd like to try that pvp game if its full pvp no safe zones that sounds like heaps of fun, i loved pvp in wow especially attacking ogrimaar, i was always one of the instigators of setting up everyone to go over there and always the last to leave, hiding on the roof tops in stealth waiting for some sucker to walk past by himself so i had a 1v1 fight on my hands
hehe..
vertex, american mcgees alice frigin rules, nice avatar! i loved taht game to death.
have a good one guys.
GoT
Lo All
I have read this post today as i am new to this forum and i must say it is a very good post i agree that most games today are just one big grind like yourselve's say and i am 32 and have played alot of FPS/RTS/RPG's online.
These are just some of them StrikeForce/CounterStrike/Unreal/Unreal Tournament/Mir2/Mir3 evil illusions/RuneScape/Linage/Linage2/Biosfear/KalOnline/Do-Online (MartialHero's) /WoW/ DAOC/Cronous and many many more and in theory they are all the same concept ( as you lot said the same old stuff over and over)
I at the moment have took 8 months off playing and have only just come back online again but i am currently looking around to see what is out there and what is coming out on the market but at the moment not really seen anything that catches my eye that well.
What i would like to see is a fantasy/oreintal type game that runs along a real time/ Real life type of concept where there is 1000's of different items/armours/weapons and so on and all items of clothes and so on can be fully customised to your needs which makes everyone different to each other like it is in real life same with weapons aswell not only that but the land is so vaste that a single person can go out and build there very own home through abit of hard work and gradually build it into a home for a whole guild and wage wars againest other guilds in the same situation but still have the monsters and so on for those people that like to go out killing and building up like that but with this concept can come so many better upgrades to a game and not just the same little diff weapons or map here and there
I personally would find this concept in gaming so much more fun and entertaining to my needs
yours thankfully ultradaz
Gday Ultra.
I've just rated WoW, DDO and Eve since they're the 3 main ones that i've played. I think that i rated them very fairly however its good that there's a site rating AND a player one because obviously different opinions will change from game to game. For example i gave WoW 10/10 for graphics and i dont think any other games got a 10/10 from me, i was pretty cut throat. I'm sure people who are avid EQ and EQII fans hate wow graphics due to the cartoony nature but its the vivid colors and beautiful characters that draw me to WoW. (more than anything else sadly).
Ultra, good to hear your point of view and i think we've got a group of like minded individuals in this particular conversation. I too have spent time playing a lot of the games you've mentioned and someone even mentioned Bomberman before, which i played 5 players on my AMIGA.
hehe.. funny stuff. also spent at least a year and a half of my youth playing A Bards Tale.
Well, I have read pretty much the whole Darkfall webpage and i think it sounds a lot closer to what im after BUT unfortunately its made by a fairly small group of programmers which is going to really limit the support and general professionalism of the game. ALSO i don't think we'll see it in Australia.
This is a problem. I don't think many americans/eurpeans will really understand our plight but there are a LOT of gamers in Oz when you take our population into account. Probably just as many per person then in the U.S and probably more than Europe. The whole problem is tho that our population is so small which makes our gaming population so marginal that not many companies see fit to host servers in our country.
WoW started its first "oceanic" server (which isn't purely Oz even) a few months ago and apparently they're SO full that you have to wait sometimes up to an hour to get on even!!! This is a huge dissapointment considering that many people left their orginal servers to start new fresh characters on the oceanic server/s due to the fact that only the big American guilds were achieving anything and only at around 1 or 2 pm in our afternoon, which meant "no raid for u aussie unless u unemployed". (which of course most of us arn't, we go to school and work like the rest of the world, otherwise we cant pay for our expensive internet). WHICH leads me to another small topic. The cost of playing MMO's is more for aussies than ANY other country due to our stupid Broadband rates and speeds. We're paying for such crap internet speeds and good speeds are very expensive.
Anyway, i really do hope that Darkfall comes out with an aussie server because seriously.... we need a game that will support us like we support it. I BET that if it had one it'd become a cult hit pretty quick and lotsa people would be playing it. All they'd have to do is promote it on overclockers.com and ausgamers.com and news would spread and shit loads would be playing it. OR a partnership with internet/communications giant Telstra would be good as Telstra will then promote the game themselves.
Lets get it on Darkfall, come to Oz? Will u be the next MMO that i play? Or do all us dissapointment kids have to get together and make our own game? Hey theres an idea.
GoT