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Roma Victor Release (in a nutshell) - Beta Tester / Current Player

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  • sempiternalsempiternal Member UncommonPosts: 1,082

    Nobody has fun with lag, the lag is definitely a problem, but it is getting much better, it has been identified what causes it and the developers are working on it.  As far as the content, I am sure that will improve also - since I have been playing I have seen several updates with new content.  Its only a matter of time before the lag is fixed and more content added.

    The point is, it's worth it to me to deal with the lag and waiting for updates in order to play and build within such a realistic virtual world, right now.

    If you don't like the crafting, then maybe you are not a true crafter; I enjoy it immensely.  It's so highly detailed that you could learn the process for how things were made in real life simply by learning how to make them in RV.

    RV is definitely no easy game, but for those of us that enjoy competition, challenge and realism, it really is a diamond among MMOGs.

  • herculeshercules Member UncommonPosts: 4,925


    Originally posted by sempiternal

    Nobody has fun with lag, the lag is definitely a problem, but it is getting much better, it has been identified what causes it and the developers are working on it.  As far as the content, I am sure that will improve also - since I have been playing I have seen several updates with new content.  Its only a matter of time before the lag is fixed and more content added.
    The point is, it's worth it to me to deal with the lag and waiting for updates in order to play and build within such a realistic virtual world, right now.
    If you don't like the crafting, then maybe you are not a true crafter; I enjoy it immensely.  It's so highly detailed that you could learn the process for how things were made in real life simply by learning how to make them in RV.
    RV is definitely no easy game, but for those of us that enjoy competition, challenge and realism, it really is a diamond among MMOGs.


    So let me get this straight anyone who does not share your view of spending many REAL hours collecting and placing a pile to build a measly mud hut is not a true crafter?

    And if you think placing a pile x1000 is the way to learn how to build things in real life ,i hope you never come near a house you build in real life.

    If you like this broken down game that does NOT work thats your opinon.It can promise me heaven and earth but if its broken it is worthless to me thank you.

  • herculeshercules Member UncommonPosts: 4,925
    doubled
  • herculeshercules Member UncommonPosts: 4,925

    was gonna make a long reply but then it dawned on me.The truth is now known .Unlike when we had only pre orders and opinon was very limited.

    So for all that want the truth read the game list comments,the other people comments on this forum and if you have access check out the refund requests on RV offical account section(note some even stopped asking because RB has asked people to email rather then spam for refunds).Even at that you can't miss the refund requests

    http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/setView/ratings/setRView/none/gameID/20

  • sempiternalsempiternal Member UncommonPosts: 1,082

    More lies and exaggeration from hercules!

    Why don't you back-up that crap you post and quote a single lie I told about RV.  Just one.  You won't find one because unlike you, I do not exaggerate, nor do I lie.

  • sempiternalsempiternal Member UncommonPosts: 1,082
    hercules just edited and changed the entire content of his post.
  • GrimSkunk2GrimSkunk2 Member Posts: 451
    But like it or not, there are quite a few people on that forum looking for the refunds.

    Still, if you enjoy the game, that is super.  I am glad to get both sides of the debate.

    I've not tried the game yet, though I've been following it closely to see what people are saying about it.  I am very reticent when it comes to this game.  I'm not sure what to think and will probably hold off and watch what occurs in the future.  What happens if all the keys are bought up? Well, if the unlikely event of that does happen, I guess I'll just not bother with it at all.  No skin off my nose, either way.

    -W.

  • herculeshercules Member UncommonPosts: 4,925


    Originally posted by sempiternal
    hercules just edited and changed the entire content of his post.


    what that people are demanding refunds?

    erm its in account section for all to see.

    By the way tell us how come you and a chosen few are able to play and the rest are not?we really like to know how.

  • caine6621caine6621 Member UncommonPosts: 210


    Originally posted by hercules

    Originally posted by sempiternal
    hercules just edited and changed the entire content of his post.


    what that people are demanding refunds?

    erm its in account section for all to see.

    By the way tell us how come you and a chosen few are able to play and the rest are not?we really like to know how.


    Because they get to play on the ultra secret "Potential" server.  I can't verify its existence but all the fanbois talk about it incessantly

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  • grinreapergrinreaper Member Posts: 507


    Originally posted by caine6621

    Originally posted by hercules

    Originally posted by sempiternal
    hercules just edited and changed the entire content of his post.


    what that people are demanding refunds?

    erm its in account section for all to see.

    By the way tell us how come you and a chosen few are able to play and the rest are not?we really like to know how.


    Because they get to play on the ultra secret "Potential" server.  I can't verify its existence but all the fanbois talk about it incessantly


    Someone who plays EVE has no room to talk about fanbois...I log in a play a few hours a night, so either I am on this magic server, or I just made sure all my drivers are up to date...

    For not being able to log on, you guys sure seem sure what the state of the game is

  • sempiternalsempiternal Member UncommonPosts: 1,082

    The reason that a handful of players are asking for refunds and that they had so many problems is because at release there was lag that was so bad that it was difficult to login or play.  If my only experience playing RV was during the first two weeks of release I might be asking for a refund too.  This lag did not exist during test and is much better now -- Release was over three weeks ago.  The lag during release is the Main issue that players had with the game.  Presently the lag is far better.  I am able to log in easliy, sometimes during lag I have to try a few times, but there are decent periods of no lag at all.  Its much better than release and only improving.

    Yes, when there is lag it does suck, but a headstart in a persistant virtual world is enough of an advantage that I am willing to deal with it.  In a historically authentic virtual earth you can't add another imaginary planet of land with a new expansion, destroying the efforts of veteran players.  The landmass is defined and limited.  That is one main point that will keep this game solid, a defined set of rules for developing the game that the developers can follow - real life history.  Many developers get out of control creatively, ruining and imbalancing their games because they have not set a solid vision or development plan to check any proposed updates against - if they FEEL it sounds cool at the moment they add it in; the players suffer.

    If you don't want to deal with some periods of lag, watch the forums, I am sure players willl post when the lag issue has been completely fixed.

    Regardless, the historically authentic Roma Victor is the best sandbox virtual world MMOG out there where the sword wins the day.  Therefore,  I value the time I get to play and I consider it a great advantage to be playing right now in the beginning - the more players the more competition.  Roma Victor has the exact ingredients I desire in an MMOG.  Once the lag is fixed it will be awesome.

  • grinreapergrinreaper Member Posts: 507
    Another group of refunds are from people who didnt know what they were buying...all they saw was 'open PVP' (for example) and decided to buy...then they got in and were: 'claypiles? WTF?' and are now whining for their money back.
  • sempiternalsempiternal Member UncommonPosts: 1,082

    The lag is much better now!  Less frequent and shorter.  The developers have figured out what is causing it and they are working on a fix.  There have already been several server caching updates and hopeful the next update will clear the lag all up.

    Right now the periods of lag and difficulty logging in during those times are still painful enough that I would not recommend the game to the average gamer, but for the hardcore sandbox gamers looking for a realistic virtual world its running well enough that many are building and establishing themselves well while all the noobs are away.

    Tip: If you don't login the first time, try and try again. ;)

  • herculeshercules Member UncommonPosts: 4,925

    still awful lag and disconnection as of the 15th despite very few people been around .

    Looking at the forums i see no evidence that the vast majority are showing any improvement(if they were be sure there be a lot of posts about it,there is none).If anything just more complaints.

  • grinreapergrinreaper Member Posts: 507


    Originally posted by hercules

    still awful lag and disconnection as of the 15th despite very few people been around .
    Looking at the forums i see no evidence that the vast majority are showing any improvement(if they were be sure there be a lot of posts about it,there is none).If anything just more complaints.


    again, what crappy server are you on? I ran from the gravel merchant out to silva woods then out to via cil skara and all the way back to corst last night...one CTD the whole evening(when I got back to Corst, of course) the slowness issues are getting fixed, and the boards just havent cought up yet.
  • JorevJorev Member Posts: 1,500


    Originally posted by grinreaper
      again, what crappy server are you on? I ran from the gravel merchant out to silva woods then out to via cil skara and all the way back to corst last night...one CTD the whole evening(when I got back to Corst, of course) the slowness issues are getting fixed, and the boards just havent cought up yet.


    How many times did you have to stop because you lost your breath based on Vigor? I know I can run more than 10 miles without stopping, can't seem to do that in Roma Victor. Not very realistic is it.

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  • KemarikKemarik Member Posts: 122


    Originally posted by Jorev

    Originally posted by grinreaper
      again, what crappy server are you on? I ran from the gravel merchant out to silva woods then out to via cil skara and all the way back to corst last night...one CTD the whole evening(when I got back to Corst, of course) the slowness issues are getting fixed, and the boards just havent cought up yet.


    How many times did you have to stop because you lost your breath based on Vigor? I know I can run more than 10 miles without stopping, can't seem to do that in Roma Victor. Not very realistic is it.


    Wow!  You can run 10 miles nonstop carrying a sack of apples, two spears, a buckler, an amphora filled with water, firewood, an extra set of clothes, a knife, and a hatchet??!  I applaud you!

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  • grinreapergrinreaper Member Posts: 507


    Originally posted by Jorev

    Originally posted by grinreaper
      again, what crappy server are you on? I ran from the gravel merchant out to silva woods then out to via cil skara and all the way back to corst last night...one CTD the whole evening(when I got back to Corst, of course) the slowness issues are getting fixed, and the boards just havent cought up yet.


    How many times did you have to stop because you lost your breath based on Vigor? I know I can run more than 10 miles without stopping, can't seem to do that in Roma Victor. Not very realistic is it.


    a few times(like 4 or 5)...but I have been working on my marching skill...if it was maxed, I would not stop at all. Also, because my fitness is up from where it started, the stops were for like a min or 2
  • sempiternalsempiternal Member UncommonPosts: 1,082


    Originally posted by Jorev

    How many times did you have to stop because you lost your breath based on Vigor? I know I can run more than 10 miles without stopping, can't seem to do that in Roma Victor. Not very realistic is it.


    In any good game you should not expect to be a master of something as a newbie, Jorev.

    Roma Victor is complex, it's not a game for the impatient or easily discouraged.  The distance you can run in Roma Victor is determined by several factors, which AT LEAST include Basic skill, Distance-Running subskill, Stamina attribute, and Fitness stat.

    Stamina will greatly affect your Vigor recovery.  Even as a brand new character with no skill or training, if you set your Stamina to Max in character creation you will be able to run very far and have to rest very little. 

    With a high Stamina and decent distance-running skill you can run non-stop, which is not entirely realistic either, but at least you have to work and train for it.

  • treysmoothtreysmooth Member UncommonPosts: 648


    Sempiternal is the classic fanboi who is blind to the issues.  When I made valid points he tries to belittle and talks of time period realism, its like a broken record. Herc is completely dead on, the refund request are rolling in and the writing is on the wall.  I will say that after 4 weeks I finally did get my refund(REJOICE).  Herc was telling the truth though the forums are full of people asking for request and fanbois flaming them for not appreciating this "amazing sandbox mmo that even cures cancer"(sarcasm). 

    To you Semp I say you wouldn't be so defensive and flame everyone that disagrees with you if you were secure in your position.  You see, that is how it works I don't care what people think of my opinion in fact opposing opinions are necessary to any debate.  You however can't handle opposing opinions, instead you respond with hate because you have no argument to follow my comments of lack of content, lack of fun, horrendous lag,  lack of npc's enemies because, and this is key, there is no rebutal to the comment because you and I both know that these are major game crippling issues. 

    I would be more likely to give the crafting a chance if even the smallest things such as a woodpile didn't take 2 hours real time to construct.  At the pace I was going it would be a  year before I could finish anything of value.  I have a job and like many work 40 plus hours a week and as I've said before "realism must be balanced with fun in order for any game to succeed". 

    I also don't find the one shot kills to contain any strategy, and on that note where is any strategy or depth in this game.  I've read the wiki I've played the game and I just don't see the depth.  There are at most 15 basic categories to raise, you raise these areas by doing very repetitive task, this is not depth , in fact this is no different than those games that make you kill x amount of enemies to increase in skill.  At least in a game that requires you to fight x number of enemies to lvl you are doing something.  Creating a woodpile for 2 hours is not fun its not rewarding and it is not full of depth.

    There are no missions outside of the master quest which boils down to a tutorial, and any game that doesn't contain enemies to practice your skills on is doomed to fail.  People are going to get tired of standing around "practicing" on each other which is like watching paint dry.  People will tire of trying to build something only to have 2 hours worth of work destroyed when your project collapses,  how a woodpile collapsing wipes out the entire project I will never know, and yes this happened to me(read I spent 2 hours trying to finish a basic project only to have to start from scratch).  If that is realism you can keep it.

    I'm not interested in changing your mind your one of the people that believes that this game can do no wrong, but when you can't come up with any sort of response to my critics of the game it will show others just how deep the problems run.  I actually look forward to what your response will be for no other reason than it might be mildly entertaining to read a fanboyish flame on how I can't appreciate the realism and depth of this magnificient work of art.  Have fun I'll be playing a game with a real fun factor, which honestly could be just about anything outside of dark and light and be more fun than Roma Victor.

    Let the flames begin.......






  • grinreapergrinreaper Member Posts: 507

    Not gonna flame you, just correct you. You have alot of stuff wrong or misleading in your post.



    Originally posted by treysmooth
    Sempiternal is the classic fanboi who is blind to the issues.  When I made valid points he tries to belittle and talks of time period realism, its like a broken record. Herc is completely dead on, the refund request are rolling in and the writing is on the wall.  I will say that after 4 weeks I finally did get my refund(REJOICE).  Herc was telling the truth though the forums are full of people asking for request and fanbois flaming them for not appreciating this "amazing sandbox mmo that even cures cancer"(sarcasm).  If by rolling in you mean less than 20 on the first 5 pages of all the fourms. Also, I cant help but point out that most other games dont even offer refunds. Try and get your money back on WoW some time...I suspect you will be waiting longer than 4 weeks. I suspect RB offers refunds because they relize this game may not be for eveyone, and alot of people dont do research before they buy a game.

    To you Semp I say you wouldn't be so defensive and flame everyone that disagrees with you if you were secure in your position.  You see, that is how it works I don't care what people think of my opinion in fact opposing opinions are necessary to any debate.  You however can't handle opposing opinions, instead you respond with hate because you have no argument to follow my comments of lack of content, lack of fun, horrendous lag,  lack of npc's enemies because, and this is key, there is no rebutal to the comment because you and I both know that these are major game crippling issues.  I will just point out here that the lag isnt horrendous anymore(if it ever was), there are NPC enemies, and that I guess fun is subjective, because clearly some of us are having fun.

    I would be more likely to give the crafting a chance if even the smallest things such as a woodpile didn't take 2 hours real time to construct.  At the pace I was going it would be a  year before I could finish anything of value.  I have a job and like many work 40 plus hours a week and as I've said before "realism must be balanced with fun in order for any game to succeed".  Not sure which woodpile you are talking about, there are 2 in the attending quests (which I can only figure you are talking about since it is clear you never finished attending...which, by the way, is like saying EQ2 sucks because you start on a boat killing a giant rat) but neither takes 2 hours to build by itself...and both of which are quite useful. Also, had you asked for help, you could have cut the build time considerably with someone /help ing you. As for building anything useful in a year, you may be correct, if you did it all yourself...you did read the part about this being a player run economy, right? With intercoopertave tasks and what not.

    I also don't find the one shot kills to contain any strategy, and on that note where is any strategy or depth in this game.  I've read the wiki I've played the game and I just don't see the depth.  There are at most 15 basic categories to raise, you raise these areas by doing very repetitive task, this is not depth , in fact this is no different than those games that make you kill x amount of enemies to increase in skill.  At least in a game that requires you to fight x number of enemies to lvl you are doing something.  Creating a woodpile for 2 hours is not fun its not rewarding and it is not full of depth. Not going argue with you here, other than to say that sombody who didnt finish the newbie quests really has no clue how much depth a game has.

    There are no missions outside of the master quest which boils down to a tutorial, and any game that doesn't contain enemies to practice your skills on is doomed to fail.  People are going to get tired of standing around "practicing" on each other which is like watching paint dry.  People will tire of trying to build something only to have 2 hours worth of work destroyed when your project collapses,  how a woodpile collapsing wipes out the entire project I will never know, and yes this happened to me(read I spent 2 hours trying to finish a basic project only to have to start from scratch).  If that is realism you can keep it. This is just flat out wrong, every NPC in the game offers a mission. It would be nice if the practice pells worked properly, but that sure hasnt stopped the fighting and all the stuff that goes with it(political infighting, struggle for resources, ect.)

    I'm not interested in changing your mind your one of the people that believes that this game can do no wrong, but when you can't come up with any sort of response to my critics of the game it will show others just how deep the problems run.  I actually look forward to what your response will be for no other reason than it might be mildly entertaining to read a fanboyish flame on how I can't appreciate the realism and depth of this magnificient work of art.  Have fun I'll be playing a game with a real fun factor, which honestly could be just about anything outside of dark and light and be more fun than Roma Victor. All I am gonna say here is that what you seem to dislike in the game is exactly what alot of people enjoy about it. Does this game have alot of room for improvment? yes it does. Has RB delivered what it said it was going to? you bet .Do I trust them to continue to implement their 'vision' for the game? They have given me no reason to doubt them. I hate to sound like an eve fanboi, but maybe this game just really isnt for you

    Let the flames begin.......not gonna flame you, just correct you where you are wrong.




  • treysmoothtreysmooth Member UncommonPosts: 648

    While I don't agree with all your points and still stand by many of my points I will say good rebutal.  I respect your opinion and would agree the game is going to be enjoyable to a certain type of player which I am not.  I actually did get through the attending(finished the woodpile and moved on to fishing etc), it was just to boring in my opinion.  I never really had fun, which is kinda my point of walking the line between realism and fun, it is a game after all.  Regardless well written rebutal and thank you for responding in a intelligent manner.

    Peace



  • herculeshercules Member UncommonPosts: 4,925


    Originally posted by grinreaper
      I will just point out here that the lag isnt horrendous anymore(if it ever was), there are NPC enemies, and that I guess fun is subjective, because clearly some of us are having fun.





    WoW! Even the die hard fanboys on the RV forum agree the lag and disconnections are horrible and you say "if it ever was"!

    Now you my friend are not a die hard but super hardcore for sure

    By the way for those who have access to the participant forum  ,the lag and login errors are still horrible horrible.Only difference now is there is "pocket" times when it actually works reasonably but not often and random.

  • grinreapergrinreaper Member Posts: 507


    Originally posted by hercules

    WoW! Even the die hard fanboys on the RV forum agree the lag and disconnections are horrible and you say "if it ever was"!
    Now you my friend are not a die hard but super hardcore for sure
    By the way for those who have access to the participant forum  ,the lag and login errors are still horrible horrible.Only difference now is there is "pocket" times when it actually works reasonably but not often and random.


    I should have said if it ever was as bad as you make it out to be. consider me corrected.

    as for your second comment, the fist post in the participant fourm is about the lag with 2/3 of the comments so far saying things are alot better after the hardware addition...I think this one moves you up to Supa-Troll, herc....WTG

  • treysmoothtreysmooth Member UncommonPosts: 648


    A troller genrerally doesn't play or currently own the game.  Herc payed for the game and can still log in and see the participants forum.  I would consider his comments just as valid as any other current player because he can play and thats what this forum is about.  You calling him a troller is the same as him calling you a fanboi just the typical flaming so as Johnny Blaze would say flame on....

    Peace




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