From all appearances, Turbine is taking extra special care with this one. They almost have to. This is the penultimate fantasy license. If they botch it their name is MUD.
I think some of the apprehension regarding having Turbines name attached to the great liscence comes from the back to back whopping success of AC2 and DDO.
mmm ... turbine dilivers good games DDO is a good game (don't know of AC2). Just too many people bash it becouse it is something different and don't understand the meaning and rules of D&D. But i think LOTR is gonne be pretty sweet but again people are gonne bash it .
People just say turbine are bad becuase they hate DDO for being unsolo friendly, too many dungeons and a confusing system, but thats how DDO was supposed to be just like Dungeons and dragons. AC were great succeses and LotRO will be great too im sure, it wont be like DDO because like i said DDO was made specifically liek that because they wanted to stay true to D&D.
To be honest I'm not a big p&p guy, but I have played nearly every d&d computer game back to the old gold box SSR games. So the reason I don't like DDO has nothing to do that I don't understand the game. Nor is that even the complaint that people give when quitting the game. Back when I was on the official forums just post release in fact it seemed that the p&p community was torn half thought that turbine did a decent interpretation of the rules, the other half said they botched the job.
The rules to me are the least of DDO's problem. DDO failed because it doesn't offer enough to warrant a subscription fee. DDO doesn't offer any thing more then Baldurs Gate Dark Alliance or Diablo. What fun is subscription based mmo that gets boring in a month? Sadly to me LOTRO seems to have the design philosphy of making a crpg and market it as an mmorpg.
Too many ppl bash Ddo because it's a piece of crap. There is no excuse that it is different. It's a bad game and it doesn't deserve a monthly fee. I don't think i will buy LOTRO, i want to play NWN2 atm.
Whether a game is good, and whether a game is offering enough content to warrent a monthly fee are I think two seperate issues. IMO City of Heroes is a great game, but compared to EQ2 and WOW the gameplay is too repetitive and the world is too small to warrant the same monthly fee for people with limited gaming funds. Also if game does not accomodate a solo playstyle, for me it is not worth a monthly fee even if it is a great game as much of my time due to schedules will be spent solo (so I don't abandon my group in the middle of a quest). I am fortunate enough to be able to subscribe to multiple games with monthly fees even if I don't play them much, including at the moment COH.
I have no doubt I will wear my computer out being online with LOTRO and so am certainly willing to pay a monthly fee.
People are different and your mileage may vary, but don't go beating up someone elses car just because you want to drive something different
Originally posted by Dralon Whether a game is good, and whether a game is offering enough content to warrent a monthly fee are I think two seperate issues. IMO City of Heroes is a great game, but compared to EQ2 and WOW the gameplay is too repetitive and the world is too small to warrant the same monthly fee for people with limited gaming funds. Also if game does not accomodate a solo playstyle, for me it is not worth a monthly fee even if it is a great game as much of my time due to schedules will be spent solo (so I don't abandon my group in the middle of a quest). I am fortunate enough to be able to subscribe to multiple games with monthly fees even if I don't play them much, including at the moment COH.
I have no doubt I will wear my computer out being online with LOTRO and so am certainly willing to pay a monthly fee.
People are different and your mileage may vary, but don't go beating up someone elses car just because you want to drive something different
I disagree that amount of content and the quality of the game are two seperate issues. A game is only as good as the sum of its parts. If it lacks in one area that will subtract from the total and the lack of content on DDO subtracts from everything that it does right. Not to mention a ton of different flaws the game has, the game is subpar. If I'm so bored of a game that I never want to play it again that means that its a bad game.
If you are going to play LOTRO because you think that Turbine will make a stellar game then thats fine. Me I'm waiting until I see a finished product. If your going to play LOTRO because Lord of the Rings would make a stellar game, then I don't think you should get your hopes up.
I don't care what someone elses mileage is. I just want a car that can get me to where I'm going, not die half way to where there. DDO didn't even get me out of my drive way I was done during the headstart.
Originally posted by Drgonzothx To be honest I'm not a big p&p guy, but I have played nearly every d&d computer game back to the old gold box SSR games. So the reason I don't like DDO has nothing to do that I don't understand the game. Nor is that even the complaint that people give when quitting the game. Back when I was on the official forums just post release in fact it seemed that the p&p community was torn half thought that turbine did a decent interpretation of the rules, the other half said they botched the job. The rules to me are the least of DDO's problem. DDO failed because it doesn't offer enough to warrant a subscription fee. DDO doesn't offer any thing more then Baldurs Gate Dark Alliance or Diablo. What fun is subscription based mmo that gets boring in a month? Sadly to me LOTRO seems to have the design philosphy of making a crpg and market it as an mmorpg.
Totally agree on this one (Also played a lot of (A)D&D games over the past years)
edit: Although I like the idea of getting a mmorpg game based on LOTR (red the books seen the movies both several times) I'm a afraid turbine is not up to the job of making this game a pleasant one for me, this opnion is totally based on my experience with ddo, since I never played AC or AC2. But I still hope for the best
As I posted before: give them a chance. Every developer has had problems maybe (hopefully) this time they end up getting things straight. I have to admit that I haven't tried DDO so I can't really judge them but I give them the benefit of doubt. I (we) might change our minds the further the game develops. It's in alpha atm so I imagine there will be many changes before release.
Originally posted by CharnelHouse From all appearances, Turbine is taking extra special care with this one. They almost have to. This is the penultimate fantasy license. If they botch it their name is MUD.
I dont think you quite understand turbines current situation.... their name is already MUD. Its this game or the company goes into liquidation.
After cancelling AC2 (their main source of revenue pre-DDO) they then produced a highly flawed DDO that most likely hasnt actually broken even as people left it so quickly and warned others almost immediately. Theyre trying to behave like SOE and start pumping money into franchises but they have no money behind them ... I suspect that some very big loans are being taken out and everything is being pumped into LOTRO. This game could whipe these guys if it flops...
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DDO is a fun game while it lasts, but I agree that it doesn't last long enough. At least the game has potential. I think it will be a great game by the time the first expansion pack comes out. Turbine does a good job at improving games over time after they have been out. You could say I'm wrong and just look at AC 2. I have to say, AC2 was darn good after they released the Legions expansion pack. The problem was that not enough players bought the expansion. They lost money, so they had to scrap the game. I am a current player of AC, and I love that game. It is so content rich, that I am still far from trying every quest in the game. The whole point is, if LOTRO isn't that good at release, it will be good after a year of improvements.
I understand the rules of DnD just fine. I've played it on tabletop with pen and paper for many years. But I don't like what Turbine has done with the license. For all the games use, I might as well just stick to tabletop.
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The positivity is overwhelming. For balance...
I like turbine, I am sure they will do a fine job
Just too many people bash it becouse it is something different and don't understand the meaning and rules of D&D. But i think LOTR is gonne be pretty sweet but again people are gonne bash it .
To be honest I'm not a big p&p guy, but I have played nearly every d&d computer game back to the old gold box SSR games. So the reason I don't like DDO has nothing to do that I don't understand the game. Nor is that even the complaint that people give when quitting the game. Back when I was on the official forums just post release in fact it seemed that the p&p community was torn half thought that turbine did a decent interpretation of the rules, the other half said they botched the job.
The rules to me are the least of DDO's problem. DDO failed because it doesn't offer enough to warrant a subscription fee. DDO doesn't offer any thing more then Baldurs Gate Dark Alliance or Diablo. What fun is subscription based mmo that gets boring in a month? Sadly to me LOTRO seems to have the design philosphy of making a crpg and market it as an mmorpg.
I have no doubt I will wear my computer out being online with LOTRO and so am certainly willing to pay a monthly fee.
People are different and your mileage may vary, but don't go beating up someone elses car just because you want to drive something different
I disagree that amount of content and the quality of the game are two seperate issues. A game is only as good as the sum of its parts. If it lacks in one area that will subtract from the total and the lack of content on DDO subtracts from everything that it does right. Not to mention a ton of different flaws the game has, the game is subpar. If I'm so bored of a game that I never want to play it again that means that its a bad game.
If you are going to play LOTRO because you think that Turbine will make a stellar game then thats fine. Me I'm waiting until I see a finished product. If your going to play LOTRO because Lord of the Rings would make a stellar game, then I don't think you should get your hopes up.
I don't care what someone elses mileage is. I just want a car that can get me to where I'm going, not die half way to where there. DDO didn't even get me out of my drive way I was done during the headstart.
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Although I like the idea of getting a mmorpg game based on LOTR (red the books seen the movies both several times) I'm a afraid turbine is not up to the job of making this game a pleasant one for me, this opnion is totally based on my experience with ddo, since I never played AC or AC2. But I still hope for the best
I (we) might change our minds the further the game develops. It's in alpha atm so I imagine there will be many changes before release.
After cancelling AC2 (their main source of revenue pre-DDO) they then produced a highly flawed DDO that most likely hasnt actually broken even as people left it so quickly and warned others almost immediately. Theyre trying to behave like SOE and start pumping money into franchises but they have no money behind them ... I suspect that some very big loans are being taken out and everything is being pumped into LOTRO. This game could whipe these guys if it flops...
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DDO is a fun game while it lasts, but I agree that it doesn't last long enough. At least the game has potential. I think it will be a great game by the time the first expansion pack comes out. Turbine does a good job at improving games over time after they have been out. You could say I'm wrong and just look at AC 2. I have to say, AC2 was darn good after they released the Legions expansion pack. The problem was that not enough players bought the expansion. They lost money, so they had to scrap the game. I am a current player of AC, and I love that game. It is so content rich, that I am still far from trying every quest in the game. The whole point is, if LOTRO isn't that good at release, it will be good after a year of improvements.