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Protections against hackers

RARARARA Member Posts: 10
My question is How game developers protect against hackers?
And what is the best protection in your opinion (in game antihacks programs ..etc)?


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  • moxuout2moxuout2 Member Posts: 96
    Alot of game companys are going for 3rd patry Anti-hacker IN GAME protection, but asfar as your game Id and password that for hackers is extreamly easy to get if you know what your doing. Most PC's have no idea about these kinds of things and a skilled hacker can get into your computer in under a few minutes watch all of your out going messages, flip through your files and find passwords/ users accounts for anything really. After watching a few videos online about some hacking, its really sad how so many people are really extreamly vunable to hackers and if you loose your account/password for a year pre-paid mmorpg the game developer isn't at fault. Its the users responsibilty to protect yourself from letting anyone into your stystem and potentialy stealing your accounts.
  • 13erQS13erQS Member Posts: 10
    Some developers uses a third party program like "nPROTECT Gameguard", which hides the game so other .exe files can interact with the game.

    *This i'm not sure of*
    Other games which don't use third party programs, makes the server read the response from the user. If the response indicates use of hacks or cheats the server will report it, and then the user will be punished, (banned, suspended, etc.)


  • moxuout2moxuout2 Member Posts: 96
    Nothing will stop a hacker that you pist off in game that has your ip adress.
  • 13erQS13erQS Member Posts: 10
    Originally posted by moxuout2
    Nothing will stop a hacker that you pist off in game that has your ip adress.

    Actually you can call your internet provider and have them refresh your IP so you get a new one. Some also have Dynamic IP, which means it changes frequenly.
  • JelloB2000JelloB2000 Member CommonPosts: 1,848


    Originally posted by moxuout2
    Nothing will stop a hacker that you pist off in game that has your ip adress.
    Are you serious?

    IP doesnt mean much unless you have a unpatched windows & no firewall. Even then the "hacker" needs to use the correct programs & the correct security holes & even then there is always the risk ISP noticing it. If the ISP does notice it they will cancell the "hackers" internet service (& possibly also report it to the police).

  • RARARARA Member Posts: 10




    but how game developers can avoid hackers? cuple days ago, server i play was hacked. Game is "protected" by HackShield program seems it doesnt stoped hacker to write Notice to all players...








  • ValiumSummerValiumSummer Member Posts: 1,008
    what game is that... "beheading skill" nice.   I'm really curious.
  • RARARARA Member Posts: 10


    Originally posted by ValiumSummer
    what game is that... "beheading skill" nice.   I'm really curious.

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  • Vertex1980Vertex1980 Member Posts: 951
    Don't play crap games that people will hack.  ENd of story.

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  • TheodorykTheodoryk Member Posts: 1,453


    Originally posted by Vertex1980
    Don't play crap games that people will hack.  ENd of story.

    Pretty much.

    "Speaking haygywaygy or some other gibberish with your mum doesn't make you foreign."
    -baff

  • 13erQS13erQS Member Posts: 10
    Free MMO's usually don't have much money so i guess the anti hack ain't that good?

  • JorevJorev Member Posts: 1,500
    Stay away from Korean games. They think hacking is one of their character's skills.

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  • WolfjunkieWolfjunkie Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 985
    Aren't you thinking about crackers?


  • KruniacKruniac Member Posts: 132

    Someone cracked the server and posted a greet. So what? I think its awesome.

    People say "LOL hackers need to get a life."

    ...Childishness.

  • WolfjunkieWolfjunkie Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 985


    Originally posted by Kruniac

    Someone cracked the server and posted a greet. So what? I think its awesome.

    People say "LOL hackers need to get a life."

    ...Childishness.


    People don't know what the hackers gives us. They made the internet work, they give us open-source programs. They should be respected, and shouldn't be thougth of as Crackers.
  • lomillerlomiller Member Posts: 1,810

    On the server side they should follow all the best practices for developing secure applications.

    This doesn’t protect your account from being hacked because that is dependant on the security of your own system  If your PC gets hacked or you install a Trojan there is nothing the game developer can do to prevent that hacker from getting your account information.

    Keeping your system behind a firewall, and keeping it updated will give you a lot of protection from hackers but sadly most Trojans/malware gets installed with the users approval.  

    For example, les say you visit a website that has a popup covering the thing you wanted to see.  The popup has a little X to let you close it, so no problem right?  Wrong.  Unless that X is a windows widget, that looks *exactly* like the windows close program X you have no idea what code is sitting behind it.  It could simply close the popup like it says or it could be code that says you are authorizing that popup to install another program on your PC, you have no idea which.   

    For all you know clicking that X could be installing a keystroke logger, that sits and waits for you to launch a game then recorded whatever you type and sends it off to someone else.  All they have to do is look through it for your user ID and password and they have control over your account. 

    You should never ever click on any popup you see while browsing the internet.  Don’t do it even to close a popup you see on a reputable site because many times reputable site get their popups from advertising firms that are far less reputable.  

  • myrrdinirlmyrrdinirl Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 314



    Originally posted by RARA
    My question is How game developers protect against hackers?
    And what is the best protection in your opinion (in game antihacks programs ..etc)?


    I think most mmo companies make as much as possible server side to prevent people from hacking

  • nthnaounnthnaoun Member Posts: 1,438


    Originally posted by Wolfjunkie

    Originally posted by Kruniac

    Someone cracked the server and posted a greet. So what? I think its awesome.

    People say "LOL hackers need to get a life."

    ...Childishness.

    People don't know what the hackers gives us. They made the internet work, they give us open-source programs. They should be respected, and shouldn't be thougth of as Crackers.


    You both say that now, but once your credit cards, bank information, and gaming accounts are stolen; you will be singing a different tune. To say otherwise would be lying and we all know it.

    There are professional hackers employed by the goverment, but they are paid to keep our country safe. They should be respected, and those that break a law they agreed to uphold should not be.

  • nthnaounnthnaoun Member Posts: 1,438


    Originally posted by lomiller

    On the server side they should follow all the best practices for developing secure applications.

    This doesn’t protect your account from being hacked because that is dependant on the security of your own system  If your PC gets hacked or you install a Trojan there is nothing the game developer can do to prevent that hacker from getting your account information.

    Keeping your system behind a firewall, and keeping it updated will give you a lot of protection from hackers but sadly most Trojans/malware gets installed with the users approval.  

    For example, les say you visit a website that has a popup covering the thing you wanted to see.  The popup has a little X to let you close it, so no problem right?  Wrong.  Unless that X is a windows widget, that looks *exactly* like the windows close program X you have no idea what code is sitting behind it.  It could simply close the popup like it says or it could be code that says you are authorizing that popup to install another program on your PC, you have no idea which.   

    For all you know clicking that X could be installing a keystroke logger, that sits and waits for you to launch a game then recorded whatever you type and sends it off to someone else.  All they have to do is look through it for your user ID and password and they have control over your account. 

    You should never ever click on any popup you see while browsing the internet.  Don’t do it even to close a popup you see on a reputable site because many times reputable site get their popups from advertising firms that are far less reputable.  


    How should you go about closing them then? The crt+alt+delete or right click the box on the windows bar and then click close?
  • 13erQS13erQS Member Posts: 10
    Popups is usually made for dumb people, like the one that says "Congratulations, you are our numbers 1,000,000 visitor, enter your creditnumber here:"
    I've got that one from the same site 5 times in a row

    But to get back on topic; A lot of people get hacked mmo caused by thirdparty aplication. And then usually then go to the developer and whine, it is not the company's fault that you download a thirdparty program which can mesure your damage per second, but also contains a keylogger. And there will always be some über h4xx0r who can crack a security system, but what does that prove? That he is good at programming? That he got some fancy program? I think it proves he has nothing better to do, than annoy people who worked hard on something.


  • WolfjunkieWolfjunkie Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 985


    Originally posted by nthnaoun

    Originally posted by Wolfjunkie

    Originally posted by Kruniac

    Someone cracked the server and posted a greet. So what? I think its awesome.

    People say "LOL hackers need to get a life."

    ...Childishness.
    People don't know what the hackers gives us. They made the internet work, they give us open-source programs. They should be respected, and shouldn't be thougth of as Crackers.


    You both say that now, but once your credit cards, bank information, and gaming accounts are stolen; you will be singing a different tune. To say otherwise would be lying and we all know it.

    There are professional hackers employed by the goverment, but they are paid to keep our country safe. They should be respected, and those that break a law they agreed to uphold should not be.


    Okay.. Okay.. An cracker doesn't have to have any programming experience what so ever. To crack something, you just need to exploit the wellknown weaksides.

    What most people don't understand is.. Crackers often operate in small, tigth-knit groups. An hacker, will look down upon an cracker. An cracker, is a person who attempts to get unauthorized access to an computer.

    Hackers.. You don't claim to be an hacker. Others names you an hacker. Hackers are an more open community, where the act of learning and using what you've learned(This is, programming languages. Which crackers doesn't use, all that often) to create open-source software, debugging said software, sharing what you've learned, and handle new problems.  What an hacker really likes, is understanding programs, and languages.. And then improve them. It have nothing, what so ever, to do with crackers.

    Crackers and Hackers are two seperated groups. Hackers have given us everything from WWW, to Unix. Crackers gives us only annoying problems.

    Edit: I blame the media. Way to often they missuse the word hacker, while the correct term would be cracker.
  • DiatribeDiatribe Member Posts: 55
    Well, by keeping as much as possible, Server-Side, helps out a TON.  But at the same time, if you keep TOO MUCH, server side, the slightest bit of lag REALLY REALLY REALLY shows.  The first round of "hacks"  starts by folks doing Client-Side hacking, then spreads out from there.  I've seen some really WILD hacks done by folks in various games....EQ 1 for example...near the end of my 5 1/2 year run in that game, I was seeing folks using some SERIOUSLY good BoT's in there.  Folks that had automated scripts that kept running 24/7 and could *ALMOST* hold down actual conversations with you. (one of those if this, this, & this is said, say XXX in reply, or XXX ect ect ect).  Some hacking is VERY VERY clear as to what's going on (Speed Hacks come to mind) while others are more subtle and happen when no one is around and harder to catch.

    D.


    So many games, so little time!

  • lomillerlomiller Member Posts: 1,810


    Originally posted by nthnaoun

    How should you go about closing them then? The crt+alt+delete or right click the box on the windows bar and then click close?


     The ones you need to worry about can almost always be closed simply by backing out of the web page of going to a different site.  

    The built in security of your system already does an ok job at preventing a popup from doing things automatically which is why they need you to click.  Since they can’t do anything automatically they can’t even get off the web page that they reside on, close the page or go to another any they have to close as well.  They could spawn a new browser window, but those you can close safely because they have an authentic close window widget.  

  • lomillerlomiller Member Posts: 1,810



    Originally posted by Wolfjunkie

    What most people don't understand is.. Crackers often operate in small, tigth-knit groups. An hacker, will look down upon an cracker. An cracker, is a person who attempts to get unauthorized access to an computer.


    While you are correct the two things are not mutually exclusive.  Hackers often look for vulnerabilities in computers systems.  They may or may not be doing this with the intention to break into, damage or exploit these systems.  If they are then they are a cracker in addition to being a hacker.  Individually these are the most dangerous of the crackers.  

    There is a second type of cracker, often referred to as script kiddies.  They are no hackers in their own right, and generally don’t even have a tiny fraction of the knowledge a hacker would have but can do a lot of damage because of their numbers and the fact that they often use a shotgun approach.  Instead of looking for targeting a specific system and searching for vulnerabilities they usually use scripts to that target a single know vulnerability and attack vast numbers of systems looking for ones that haven’t been patched to close that vulnerability.  In most cases they are not even able to write the script themselves and simply run or perhaps modify scripts written by a cracker with true hacking ability. 

  • KruniacKruniac Member Posts: 132

    Yeah, like me cracking passwords to porn sites. I used nothing but 100% knowledge written by some cracker, and used the programs they recommended.

    Figures the one site that has vulnerabilities is a gay latino site. Doh.

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