2 PC`s and macros too!!

Cylian · February 2004

Hi folks

I am new to all this mmorpg caper and am really looking forward to getting stuck in. Looking forward to Darkfall and Dragon Empires.

I was wondering what your thoughts are about a player having 2 pc`s with 2 accounts for a game, Asheron`s Call for example. I know a guy by the name of Mallus (Think his Asheron`s Call name is Shim) who uses 2 accounts. He logs on with both and uses one of his chars to buff the other up and goes off killing. He told me that he also uses a macro (No idea what it is) that he leaves running when he goes to work. When players or npc`s walk by this macro attacks them.

Was wondering if these actions are seen as cheating? Cos it smacks of it to me and I am concerned that if he is doing it then there will be others. I would really like a level playing field and would like to know what precautions are to be implemented in future releases.

jlover · February 2004

I guess having two accounts is not cheating, but having a Macro play for you when your not playing is cheating. Its really not a big cheat it just LvLs his guy up with out him playing, but if it were to pick up items to then that would be a big deal.

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Avior · February 2004

Turbine made it against the COC to run a unattended macro in their game world, where the first time you were caught, you were banned from the game for a week, and the second time, you were banned for life.

I know of atleast one person who was banned for life, who did get his account back a few months later.

Omol · February 2004

There is nothing wrong with a user running two computers to play two different accounts, tho running programs with the other account to have it play the game for you is usually against the rules.

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mrwigglz07 · February 2004

Macros are definitely illegal. Many everquest gamers found this out the hard way. Especially the one dude who killed himself....one reason for the suicide was because he got banned... RUMOR has it.

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jlover · February 2004

LMAO

That is a stupid reason to kill your self.

"So how did you die?"

"I killed myself for getting banned on a game."

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NOOOOO get it out get it out!!!!

hercules · February 2004

2 accounts is a common thing espically in games like DAoC.

Macroing well depends on the game for instance in SWG people unattend macro surveying and most do it as its a boring skill to raise.

SoE knows this and never commented on this.

In DAoC while mythic frowns on using 2 or more accounts for bots they tend to ignore it.I in my heydays of DAoC had 2 accounts on same CC and address never was told it was wrong.They do frown on using another account to spy on other realms and have in the past banned people they caught for this but rarely.

In 1999 a GM thought i was macroing unattended while mining and came to me and said if you don't answer me in 1 minute i will know you are not there and ban you.I said hey i am here hehe and he greeted me and chatted for a bit and left.

PLing in most mmorpg is common place too using multiple accounts.

So all depends on the game.

I personally think it makes mmorpg look cheap with macros and multiple account but its extra cash for the company so don't expect them to ever say no to this .

phantium · February 2004

I must agree with you hercules, macroing is wrong.

But in the other hand the game makers still make money by letting people have 2 accounts.

It's just how you look at it.

hercules · February 2004

I honestly think some companies like SoE even make the game such to encourage it.

Take SWG you can only make 1 char per server.

So about half the gamers there run at least 2 accounts

I can say i know someone on the chilastra server that has 7 thats right 7 accounts.Thats $15 x 7 =$105 a month he is giving to SoE.

More then 40 percent of friends i made in that game have 2 or more accounts.

Thats why i personally think that there are less then 100,000 actual people playing SoE.

But in the end 1 char per server has made SoE even richer with SWG.

Finwe · February 2004

I have nothing against macro's. Although i'd have to say alot of leveling macro's can ruin the game pretty badly. As for two accounts, anyone whos against that can shove it, i'm sure the companies would say the same thing, haha.

thePuck · February 2004

Unattended macroing is ok in SWG, says so in the online help. Some UO player shards allow it as well.

hercules · February 2004

Originally posted by Finwe
I have nothing against macro's. Although i'd have to say alot of leveling macro's can ruin the game pretty badly. As for two accounts, anyone whos against that can shove it, i'm sure the companies would say the same thing, haha.

Problem with 2 accounts or more comes in play in games which has pvp related issues.

Ok take DAoC there was a time we all frowned on does using buffbots.But in the end that was the only way to actually rvr without been in a zerg.So eventually(including me) most of us got buffbots and parked them outside.Now sure the company will be happy with them .

Some games it helps like in EQ where i knew a chap who had 60s on all his 4 accounts(60 highest then).So when i was on night shift i never suffered from no group.He had a cleric who only used complete heals and that was enough for me.

So while multiple accounts rarely hurt the general community in PvE and in many cases can be benefical,in PvP it can damage the community.

If you ask 100 people in DAoC would they rather be without buffbots(aka multiple accounts) you get i am sure a 90/100 answer yes.But this buffbots have become an almost must unless you are in a very good RvR guild.

ChronicRick · February 2004

Doing something that benefits you in a way that wasnt intended for the game is cheating in my book.

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thePuck · February 2004

But some games had it intended.

Nasas · February 2004

I've got nothing against multi-boxing (multiple cpu'sand accnts) because my friend did and i would help him out by playing the other character but running bots for you is pretty bad i think because it just takes away from the whole gaming experience. You don't get to experience every level and the satisfaction you get from gaining a level.

If you're only goal in a MMO is to get the highest lvl, then i don't nkow what to say

Omol · February 2004

Not a whole lot you can say, due to the fact is, if it is allowed some people (not all) will do whatever it takes to make it to the top first. It happens in every game.

If people want to multi box that is fine with me. I do not agree with using any type of macro of 3rd party program that runs characters for you tho.

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Gorukha · February 2004

As far as I recall UO allowed macroing unless it was unattended, which wasnt hard to catch since half the servers used to leave their chars macroing overnight

2 accounts are perfectly fine although pretty lame in many player's eyes. I pLed myself with a friends account in DaoC so I find this perfectly acceptable

It's better be hated for who you are, than loved for who you aren't.

doobster · February 2004

Why play 10 dollers a month for the game if you going to "play" the game when your not even thier.. i just dont understand the reason for macroing.

-Erik

ianubisi · February 2004

Achievers really balk at what macroing does to their status. I know plenty of people who feel they've been demeaned because their level 100 character was done "legit" while JoeBloe was done via macro. THis doesn't bother me in any way, because I know what I did to get where I was and I'm proud of it, regardless of the status of anyone else in the game. But that's me.

As for 2-boxing...hell, that's almost a skill. I knew a guild on Luclin in EQ that had raids of 40 characters run by 20 people. More power to 'em and anyone that wants to.

Hey, it's all good. Play the way you want to play.

Malkavian · February 2004

With the growing demand for "Player Freedom", I have to agree with ianubisi.

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