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unhappy with FPS in CoV, was just ok in CoH
tute
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As excited as I am about Issue 8(just read the recent interview with Director Thomas Voss), I really have to start questioning the performance of CoX versus so many other games. I kept telling myself if I got 30fps once in awhile that was great and 15-25 the majority of the time was acceptable. Yes, I know you can't compare single player games to an MMO due to network lag but really, doesn't it still come down to the game engine. If I can play a plethora of games: HL2, Farcry, Star Wars Battlegrounds(even played it online against others), EQ2, WoW, etc. with better framerates than CoX, then doesn't that say more about the lack of performance on their end, not mine?
The reason I'm bringing this is up is a recent thread in the official forums about performance. I'm glad its not just me. I had even upgraded my system from a Athlon XP 2500, ATI 9600(and if you've read the official forums you would know these have more problems than Nvidia cards), 1Gb RAM to A64 3200, Nvidia 6600GT and 2 GB RAM yet barely saw an extra 2fps performance boost. Its been mentioned that the forum posters could still be a small representation of the problem even though the systems range from low(Semprons, 512Mb RAM with 5000 series Nvidia cards) to high(Dual Core, 2Gb RAM and top of the line 7900GTX Nvidia cards).
After picking up WoW, my outlook on performance(framerates, downloads and disconnects) changed considerably. That thread has me concerned so I was just wondering what systems people here have and if you have the same low fps (anywhere from 10 to 25)? How does that same system play on other games, online and single player? I am about 80% convinced now that the performance issues I had in the past are on their side not the client. If this continues, I don't care what content they add since its hard to enjoy a slideshow.
(Please note I have contacted Tech Support in the past and followed all their instructions: update video drivers, defrag, make sure their was plenty of hard drive space, provided a DXDiag, a network test, Hijack this log and their answer usually was they saw nothing wrong with my system and may be my ISP).
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The average player is not a FPS oriented player, thereby it explain why PvP is still, after 2 years of heavy focus toward making the game PvP and ruining PvE a LOT, PvP is still marginal in this game.
Comparing it to EQ2 or WoW is fine, but to HL2 or whatever nonsense? Honestly most players doesn't care. Yes, the devs care a LOT, they are PvP fans themselves...but the players doesn't care much. Most of the time I play and I find it nice, when I doesn't find it nice, I log off. I don't bear lagging too much, but it rarely happen and my computer, well let's just say I plan on replacing during next year.
Less lag will always be welcome, but honestly, I see an IMPROVEMENT since early CoH, I lag less and less, with a few exceptions here and there(at CoV release for example). Personnally my computer runs CoV with less lag than WoW or EQ2 did (about release date, didn't give these games a second chance and won't). Even old EQ was laggier than this. I see this as an improvement. Of course, if I was a FPS player and PvP driven my point of view could be completely different, yet I am not, I never care for PvP. I give it a try to be nice, and I discard it as I always discard PvP. Fairness is very important to me, I hardly see much fairness in PvP, where peoples with better connections/computers get a clear edges, peoples with friends who are skilled get edges over peoples who get friends that are unskilled. I am sorry, but I choose my friends not based on their gaming performance, if they do great good, if they don't, more challenge! In PvP it would make no sense.
I really doesn't understand your experience as EQ2, WoW, Horizons, EQ, DAoC, DDO and SoR where all lagging more than this game, with maybe the exception of the arachnos bases, yet lately I didn't lag there either, just long term memory of how I used to lag in these still hurting.
MAYBE it is related to what is running on your computer at the same time. I am no specialist myself, but if your HP printer is checking for online updates while you play, it will make you lag...I HATE HP for doing that to me! And God knows all the other silly stuff like that which might be happening. You know, many things runs and we don't even know.
This is not nice, since when I start a MMO, everything else should be freaking shutting down, yet it doesn't! 
Remember my war over removing Messenger, worst trash ever. Damn, that was painful. See, you prolly have many things going on at the same moment and this kill performance, your computer has limited ressources and every spyware eat these ressources. I don't care if I make no sense, but I blame the motherboard burnt over all these spywares, making it work extra! 
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Comparing to HL2 is not nonsense when comparing game engines, not to mention both can be played online anyways. One is very near the edge in terms of technological advancement, the other one(CoX) is from a generation or two back. Apples and Oranges some may say, but both can be sweet, both grow on trees so I say the disparity I get in FPS is so great, it still does not justify the performance of CoX.
I completely disagree with your assessment of WoW and EQ2(I can't speak for any of the others you mentioned) as I have had much better experience on both of those games. I've had a fair amount of disconnects on EQ2 but hardly any on WoW. Both play smoothly as far as framerates go, battle or no battle.
Its not hard to open task manager and see what processes are running. Its also not hard to shut off virus protection, firewall protection, etc to discover the issue is still present. Regardless, when I can play soooo many other games with these ON and have no issues speaks volumes of what CoX devs are NOT doing. From your logic, I wouldn't be able to run many other programs, not just CoX, without a noticeable performance hit. To even further invalidate your point, I have mentioned in other posts that I upgraded my computer(i.e. I had a fresh install of windows, newest drivers, not many programes installed yet) yet barely saw an increase of 2-5fps.
As I mentioned earlier and in other posts, in the past I did everything tech support asked of me yet their response was they basically found nothing wrong with my computer.
Even without technological knowledge of computers(of which I do have some), the sheer number of games I can play without issue versus CoX refutes your argument.
Win 2000/XP, Intel P4 2.0 Ghz or Athlon XP 2000+, 1 GB RAM, DVD-ROM drive, 4 GB HDD Space, Nvidia GeForce 6200, 16 Bit Sound Card, Broadband Internet connection, DirectX 9.0, Keyboard and mouse.
I'm using Win XP Professional, Athlon 64 3200+, 2 GB RAM DDR 400, Nvidia 6600GT, Diamond Xtreme DDL sound card, Broadband connection through Time Warner, Direct X 9.0c, Keyboard and mouse.
The game is just playable with what I have at 15-20fps just traveling around in CoV and about 17-21fps in CoH. Shouldn't just playable be with the minimum specs?
Lets be very clear... I have the NEXT GENERATION of hardware beyond the RECOMMENDED specs and I have to suffer 15fps and single digit frames when in battle on a team?
The type of performance in CoX makes no sense when reading the required specs off the newest engine(CoV) and is unacceptable.
Whoever says 30fps is not the bare minimum for acceptable gameplay obviously has not read enough tech sites. Go to Anandtech or Toms Hardware or Hardware OCP and read what some professional testers say. You will find that 30 fps is the norm for 'smooth' gameplay. The official forums, there are people with better systems than mine(Dual cores with 7900 series cards) that get about the same performance or slightly better.
The devs have even admitted they are looking at the code since I7 hit because many more people are complaining of the poor performance.
You are completely right Jdun. Its unacceptable.
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So many games, so little time!
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So many games, so little time!
AMD Sempron 3000, 1 gb ram, RADEON 9250... minimum 300 ping from Australia
In the cities i get 15 - 30 fps
solo mishes i get 20 - 50 fps
groups with MM's i get 6 - 15 fps
Not a huge problem because i solo alot but i'd like to group alot more than i do.
btw all graphics options are minimized except character textures, but whats the point of playing if you cant see all the cool characters around.
I had real bad fps when I played WoW, around 12 -15, until I upgraded my PC then the fps shot up to around 55 - 60. I've only been playing CoV for about 6 weeks but it's like playing WoW with my old hardware all over again. The problem has to be on their side.
I was wondering why developers are reluctant to acknowledge that they have a problem, is it because if they admit it they could be liabal for refunds from unhappy gamers?
Unfortunately, just like any change in the game, if there is not a big uproar they will just ignore an issue. Fortunately, enough people are having problems and actually posting them on the official forums which finally garnered a dev response.
After reading it though, I am not too hopeful on the solution as it seems they just want to expand the options on lower graphics settings. In the meantime they give suggestions for turning off some features to get better framerates. What's the point then if you own the top dual-core processor, 2 GBs of matched DDR RAM, top Nvidia card(because ATI works even worse on their game) and you still have to settle for less eye candy?
How about instead of adding settings for graphics circa 1999 or before, start talking to Nvidia and ATI on how you can optimize your code to use their cards more efficiently.
And yes, my framerates are fine on WoW as well. Definitely on their side.
Im not sure why, but when I had an AMD Athlon XP 2000+, with 1GB ram and a Radeon 9700 PRO the game ran fine for me, well except when my character had every effect turned on (and the slider was up). Ofcourse, that was back in 2004/early 2005. I just purchased CoV for the heck of it (20 bucks canadian), and am now running it on an AMD 64 3200+ (not overclocked while I play this game), a BFG 7900 GT OC, 1.5 GB of ram, and it runs great. Albeit, nothing spectacular as the graphics are a bit dated, but still...
Maybe alot of people are having some common configuration problems? My friend also plays it on a dated PC and loves the game, has no probs. The only time FPS has dropped for me is the first couple minutes I get into the game when its loading.
I am in the process of rebuilding one of my older PC's for a friend, when its complete I will load CoV on there and check it out. Ill try it on both an NV and ATI card. It'll be awhile but Ill post when its all ready.
What are your system specs? I didn't look at my fps in WoW, but it played smooth enough, solo or team, that I felt I did not need to check.
Are we so wrong to expect the minimum 30fps in ALL situations(I'm talking about teaming here because it is an MMO after all) when we SURPASS the RECOMMENDED specs, some parts even surpassing those specs by being next generation even?
Maybe the problem is with how your computer is configure. You have a better computer than me and I play the game with better framerates then you.
Did you install Vidiots maps? Do you have other programs running at the same time? How is your set up? Do you use teamspeak as ventrilo or something? I am not the right person to help you on these topics, but you really have a configuration issue, and you merely experience a lower performance...in most games out there, you can't play if you aren't configure right.
I know that if I have any secondary window open, my performance goes down and never come back, so when I want to play CoV, I drop everything then load the game, if for any reason I switch and open a window to surf the net or whatever, then this gaming session is screwed until I re-load everything.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Maybe the problem is with how your computer is configure. You have a better computer than me and I play the game with better framerates then you.
Did you install Vidiots maps? Do you have other programs running at the same time? How is your set up? Do you use teamspeak as ventrilo or something? I am not the right person to help you on these topics, but you really have a configuration issue, and you merely experience a lower performance...in most games out there, you can't play if you aren't configure right.
I know that if I have any secondary window open, my performance goes down and never come back, so when I want to play CoV, I drop everything then load the game, if for any reason I switch and open a window to surf the net or whatever, then this gaming session is screwed until I re-load everything.
Hey Tute.
I have played COH since I4 came out and played COV from beta. When I first started playing my setup was an Althon 1.4, Nvidia TNT 32 with 512mb of ram. I played on an 800x600 screen with all the graphics turned down and I actually managed to play the game without much lag at all. The graphics were actually viewable. My g/f is more of a gamer than me, in fact she was the one that got me hooked on COV in the first place and she could play the game with all the bells and whistles without lag. So I decided to do a upgrade and get the recommended specs for COH/V
I have a sempron 1.6, Geforce agp 6200 with 250mb and a gig of (as the guy said s**t hot) fast ram and a Audigy 4 sound card. Even when I bought all this at the place where I buy my PC hardware, the guy said that I should have a nice little system that should handle most games very well. Got it home, put it all together and wham, um I was kind of expecting more than I got. Even my g/f was surprised as my computer was actually better than hers hardware wise.
Just before I8 I managed just to get a good balanced setup at 1280x1024, with bitmapping and it kind of looked something like what I am supposed to get in those nice COH pictures that the devs over there like to show us how it should be. But without water, shadows and some other nice features.
But since i8 well lets say its a nightmare and I am on the verge of canceling my account now. I cannot play at all, not even on the lowest setting with EVERYTHING turned down. I even over clocked my card to try and get a little more out of it. I am now playing on 1024x768, everything at the lowest possible settings and nothing else running on my computer. I have defragged my hard drive, Cleaned out my system, done virus checks and googled till I more or less dropped on this.
All I can say is this, if its not COH, then hell if I know what it is. I have been around computers for 20 years and I know how to break em and how to fix em. Nothing I do with my system gets my frame rate above 15 (NOTHING) and this all started since the release of I8.
The chat window didn't work for me either. I have heard that they introduced a new way of doing the effects that could make a difference in frame rate but I have nothing else.
I play other MMO's and I get a really good frame rate, Everquest is a dream to play. I also play WET (Wolf enemy) and I have everything turned up full in that game (on 1280x1024) and in slides along so nice.
Oh I don't even go into COV anymore, hell that is worse.
Oh well, no lvl 50 for me now. lol