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I see that some people have been quite mad at a few brazen comments I have made... well as a few noted I was not always as blunt or harsh.
This may be true and I will say at one time I was much more helpful... however, when the NGE hit I took a side. I stood by it and have since then. I lost alot in the NGE, three whole professions to be exact..
That alone would piss anyone off I think...
None the less, I know what the NGEs goal was, I know what the NGE was going after with the "MAGICAL" playerbase as we all know... any fool at the summit meetings alone figured this one out...
BUT what I find amazing now is that people are trying to make it more then what it is??? Defending themselves as if they have to? As if they think that the NGE was some sort of complex driven thinking game with alot of reading or somthing?? Or that it is some achievment driven game with goals in mind etc...
Crap-- you can die and then you can fly to a spot INSTANTLY! What the crap is that???
Guys, do not try to defend the NGE as some sort of gaming success story now... please, It has been 9 months... trying to come to the plate and making excuses for it is no different the Smedley posting on his blog that "it has been hard" working with LEC...
I hate saying this but I almost wonder what there is to debate? SWG changed with the NGE... we know how well it has done since then...
Please do not try to sell me on "WOW IT IS DOING SO WELL!" or "IT IS JUST BRINGING IN THE PEOPLE!" or some shit.
I almost wonder if some people say stuff like that to make themselves feel good or to trick people into playing the game...Sorry I admit it... I like a good SIM based game.. not the Arcade style wannabe FPS crap.
As alot of us have said before --- We know what it was like before, I know what the NGE is like... Sorry, I will take my chances on a track record and history -- not to mention the population and player reviews as well as the game reviews to back me up with the creator of the game also condeming the NGE... sorry I did like Raph and I agree with him... after all he did make it.
You can be pissed at me all you want but whatever you do, don't try to tell me that the NGE is all great and rosey now.... not 9 months later, sorry -- I'm not that foolish. Maybe you can sell that line to some 12 year old that will buy anything.... try that maybe just don't tell him to read anything about the game.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
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All I have to say is this,
When SOE replaced one game for another, can anyone really be suprised when supporters of both games clash with each other and look at each other in a negative light?
-Yes, I see the NGE supporters as people who support the destruction of my game.
-And yes I support the destruction of the NGE supporters' game.
Ofcourse we are going to be at odds. The only fair solution would be the development of both games side by side, but that definately will never ever happen. So taking that into account, I want the destruction of the NGE for the destruction it caused to my game.
--When you resubscribe to SWG, an 18 yearold Stripper finds Jesus, gives up stripping, and moves with a rolex reverend to Hawaii.
--In MMORPG's l007 is the opiate of the masses.
--The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence!
--CCP could cut off an Eve player's fun bits, and that player would say that it was good CCP did that.
They even talked about this actually at the summit meeting and why they couldn't do it.
They claimed know-how money.
I understand that they did not know how to fix what others made... I really do, but the lies involved were enough for me.
None the less...
See here is the one thing that facts can do for us all though:
What version had more people?
What version was more of a SIM type game with real hardships in game as well as real responsiblity in game?
What version had more promise and had more diversity?
Just these few tells you somthing... I guess the question is that if more people like which one....
Who wants to be different anyway only 9 months later? --- I mean really...
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
To me that time is worth 15 dollars . Is the game really worth that at this point ? I really don't know nor care . But as I said I am not paying , To play . I am playing to chat really, Maybe PVP here and there.The only other things I do are fly around in my ship and decorate one of my houses .
You see though , when you are insulting the players and not the game . You have to take into account you are insulting a few regular posters here . What do you expect to come of it ?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I realize I said I quit. I never said it was forever
I sometimes have to wonder if all the people who play and like the NGE are very forgiving souls, or if they like corporate abuse at such magnitude. I really don't care if some like the game as it is now, it's their pearls to throw at swine, as long as they realize my beef isn't with them, my beef is with their masters. I can say that the only thing NGE does better than Pre-CU is suck and die, but really that is a matter of subjectivity.
What is not subjective is the way we all got bent over by those in power with out even a drink and dinner. That is my beef with pub 9, the CU, and NGE. The way SOE et al. told everyone to toe the line or walk it. I cannot reconcile the equation of bad business begets good customers. Enron pulls this kind of malfeasence with 401s, retirement accounts and even general accounting, and those at the top go to prison and become hated in a very satisfying and general way across the board. SOE pulls the same kind of crap in the game world, with professions/abilities/resources and there are those who still support them because why? They get a FPS?They get a Jedi? They get a server all to themselves?
Well...alrighty then!
- Jode
What is there to say, SWG customers pre-NGE, and post have to be among the most forgiving player base around. That's saying alot when you factor in toe thousands that cancelled in Nov, and since. Now we can sit here and remember TEF's, BF, HAM bars, etc. We can talk of how crowded C-net, or MO once was. Remember fondly siting in camps chatting with total strangers, or filling avian meat orders for BE's or chef's. We can do all that, but what will it matter? SOE has proved with out a doubt it dosen't care about it's paying player base, but instead would rather focus on 'we can do this and oohhh it'll be kewl, and many will come....'
To prove my point look at this example. We have had/suffered/endured/played NGE for 9 months now, and recently they spent many an effort do destroy Restus, but have they fixed the proffession quest bugs for level 42? Traders can't even do the first or second one, but no proffession can do the third. Now i realise that isn't very important, just an example of how they focus on adding a new ohh ahh, rather than fix problems currently in game, and what ever they add if it's broken well... the next addition is comming. NGE also had commando, but Heavy weapons wern't fixed until pub 27. Wonder how many commando's canceled between Nov 05, and pub 27?
I was holding on. Hopeful that the eventual Smuggler upgrade would bring enjoyment back for me. Hanging with my guild friends, and flying about in space. When Restus came, i got the gifts, gave em to my guild hall, and said goodbye. I finally realized same as the Ranger upgrade that never came, Smuggler probably would also be pushed aside. After all Smugglers have been the red-headed-step-children of SWG and if a spade is a spade, then enough is enough.
SWTOR. Face it, in the Scooby Doo Mystery Solving Van of coolness, this game is Velma. In this current MMO climate it has about as much chance for survival as a group of inquisitive teenagers in a 1980s slasher flick. -Tardcore May, 2011
What galls me most is that I didn't complain. I didn't post in the forums, didn't contact CSR much, didn't bitch in the middle of Coro. Well, I did bitch to my brother, and once in awhile I would sit out in the middle of nowhere and piss and moan to the four winds... But I didn't read the forums, didn't look at patch notes, at the beginning I didn't have to...
Sure there were bugs and balance issues, but me and my brother had it sweet for the first 6 mos we played. He was a crafter/trader/semi Medic, I was the harvester/Field Ops/tank. We had one of the first Malls up in Dantooine, vendors that did a fantastic business, and a guild that had muscle in the galaxy. I had no reason to complain,and I really didn't realize how good I had it, because everybody was having it good. You can guess when I finally started paying attention and complaining...
I have read so many defenses of the CU based on the amount of complaining up until the plaque came out, and I can't say if that is true or not because I wasn't paying attention. I do know that there was a lot of complaining just before the NGE, most of it about the CU. If the NGE did nothing else, it sure fixed those complaining about the CU, heh.
- Jode
Dude it's me- Sorry - How the Hell are ya? Hope your safe and still in the service I trust? here - lol hold on (I know it was a whirlwind night) I have those pics... HERE YA GO!
http://www.advsoftech.com/~mmonroe/ENDYR%20and%20the%20Mountain%20Dew%20Demand%20BRIA.jpg
But hey since you here -- DO you remember what the Devs said when they found out or had NO IDEA that clothing attachments were not dropping???
LOL -- that never made it to the boards and when it did they deleted it:
For those that do not know: THE DEVS DID NOT KNOW THEY WERE NOT DROPPING, IN FACT THEY THOUGHT ALL THE ATTACHMENTS WERE WORKING FINE AND STILL DROPPING, --- Yes from Jedi to Chef--- they all assumed they were still dropping... and even better still working... LOL
Nice Team...lol, I swear I thought If I heard them say one more time "Sounds like a looting issue to me" then looking at each other and saying... "well thats not my department."
Its things like this that nobody sees or hears in person and you just have to wonder who the Hell is driving bus.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
I loved this in the game... I actually was able to Master Pilot as a Knight (Yes overt 24/7 and gankable to all ends) I have alot of ships and I must say (when droids worked and was a added part it was a blast) decay and damage was sweet -- being overt was killer -- no doubt about it SPACE was fun... and go figure it was made by a seperate outsourced Dev team'
Sure some of the reg Devs had input but they were not the coders for the whole SPACE thing.
There was fun in being a Knight, flying, landing and running into a Dark Knight... it was fun... (Of course there were risks with no instant flight, xp loss, decay, risk of visibility, BHs etc... So yeah it was harder and had a risk element to it.
Good times, I look back and realize that the game being that way was great. If you were changing your template as a Knight you had to be smart as not to get in the whole even worse.
Nothing like being 11million XP in the hole. (Prior to easy times in the CU)
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Well, word is that the outsourced team were many a "Wing Commander" dev's.....
Wich is why JTL and space feels more like Wing Commander than X-Wing/TIE Fighter..And lacks movie ships and things.
The last of the Trackers
In a weird and fucked up way I understand why you pay the 15.00 bucks now.
Now, I won't argue there is no value in talking to friends and enjoying yourself. But in my case and countless others, they all left as well. I will say this again: I UNDERSTAND why you play based on what you said...
But I will not flip flop, I won't change my mind on paying these people one penny for the game in place now.
Also, ---- and let me be clear AGAIN -- I understand why you play... but I know the game is not for the SIM or complex player. So be it, they took that away.... now if people cannot handle that or the comments that come from that.. then I am sorry, not my fault the game is made that way now. So expect comments from alot of long time players and people that were duped.
I just think until this mess is over there will always be people angry or mad at the NGE change and the loss involved as fans.
It's only been 9 months for people --- try on 2.5 years for a change and see how that feels. -- 9 months of a easy game with little loss if any is a big difference from the hard game.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
You are correct. I remember getting in the first beta of it-- man what a mess. Lol, it was like the NGE is actually... so buggy in some spots for no reason.
But your right- there was alot of old school space sim Devs on this one. But it is funny when you tell people that the SWG Dev team did not make JTL -- Hence, why it was the most less affected part during the change into the NGE they almost get mad or some did.
So for anyone that is still playing or liked the JTL space part of the game... they can thank the temp Dev team that made it. Not the current one in place that has yet to have success.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
You are correct. I remember getting in the first beta of it-- man what a mess. Lol, it was like the NGE is actually... so buggy in some spots for no reason.
But your right- there was alot of old school space sim Devs on this one. But it is funny when you tell people that the SWG Dev team did not make JTL -- Hence, why it was the most less affected part during the change into the NGE they almost get mad or some did.
So for anyone that is still playing or liked the JTL space part of the game... they can thank the temp Dev team that made it. Not the current one in place that has yet to have success.
That would certainly explain why , Aside from art nothing has been touched in JTL .
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
You are correct. I remember getting in the first beta of it-- man what a mess. Lol, it was like the NGE is actually... so buggy in some spots for no reason.
But your right- there was alot of old school space sim Devs on this one. But it is funny when you tell people that the SWG Dev team did not make JTL -- Hence, why it was the most less affected part during the change into the NGE they almost get mad or some did.
So for anyone that is still playing or liked the JTL space part of the game... they can thank the temp Dev team that made it. Not the current one in place that has yet to have success.
That would certainly explain why , Aside from art nothing has been touched in JTL .
Yep although good luck in getting them to talk about that to much. They hate that... we did it at the Summit lol... someone said somthing like "Why didn't you get the team that made JTL to make the NGE" --- rofl, it was funny as shit though.
Helios had input and so did Grant.. that was it, the rest of the team was contracted. They made it as a seperate game actually that could be ported into what you have now. I bet some of the Senators did not even know that or want to believe it lol.
Malic -- this aside, I can't stand you and you can't stand me , Fine -- BUT at least now, you may have a insight on my thoughts and brazen atitude towards some people that post bullshit. No matter what, I loved this game before this... more then you, more then half the people posting here. I had a extensive list of people that were in my circle of fun and I was liked and enjoyed my server alot.
I just hate bullshit posts that I cannot bite into as truth..
I would respect them more if they said: "I like this easy game, I know it sucks and is not what it once was, I also know that I have been lied to already but I like to waste my money" --- then the other bullshit.
You missed your friends... that we all do, I just can't pay them to see who is LEFT etc..
Last time I had a freebee which I have had two sent to me.. One person out of 512 was there... and he was mad and quting as well.
When the NGE hit, we killed the city, the guild quit and the friends lists and my emails were full of the (Bye cya later the NGE ruined me) --- type crap to cause me to have a bit of anger.
The summit meeting did it for me though, after seeing them in my face tell me things that they never said on the boards was enough.
Telling me that "Ignorance is bliss in the game" made me want spit. They said things there that they would never say on the boards because people could not handle it. I miss the game and I miss the people in it.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
You are correct. I remember getting in the first beta of it-- man what a mess. Lol, it was like the NGE is actually... so buggy in some spots for no reason.
But your right- there was alot of old school space sim Devs on this one. But it is funny when you tell people that the SWG Dev team did not make JTL -- Hence, why it was the most less affected part during the change into the NGE they almost get mad or some did.
So for anyone that is still playing or liked the JTL space part of the game... they can thank the temp Dev team that made it. Not the current one in place that has yet to have success.
That would certainly explain why , Aside from art nothing has been touched in JTL .
Also I did just watch the Hi Def trailer for Warhammer online --- God I hope that game does not end up lame. It sure as Hell looks good.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
You are correct. I remember getting in the first beta of it-- man what a mess. Lol, it was like the NGE is actually... so buggy in some spots for no reason.
But your right- there was alot of old school space sim Devs on this one. But it is funny when you tell people that the SWG Dev team did not make JTL -- Hence, why it was the most less affected part during the change into the NGE they almost get mad or some did.
So for anyone that is still playing or liked the JTL space part of the game... they can thank the temp Dev team that made it. Not the current one in place that has yet to have success.
That would certainly explain why , Aside from art nothing has been touched in JTL .
Yep although good luck in getting them to talk about that to much. They hate that... we did it at the Summit lol... someone said somthing like "Why didn't you get the team that made JTL to make the NGE" --- rofl, it was funny as shit though.
Helios had input and so did Grant.. that was it, the rest of the team was contracted. They made it as a seperate game actually that could be ported into what you have now. I bet some of the Senators did not even know that or want to believe it lol.
Malic -- this aside, I can't stand you and you can't stand me , Fine -- BUT at least now, you may have a insight on my thoughts and brazen atitude towards some people that post bullshit. No matter what, I loved this game before this... more then you, more then half the people posting here. I had a extensive list of people that were in my circle of fun and I was liked and enjoyed my server alot.
I just hate bullshit posts that I cannot bite into as truth..
I would respect them more if they said: "I like this easy game, I know it sucks and is not what it once was, I also know that I have been lied to already but I like to waste my money" --- then the other bullshit.
You missed your friends... that we all do, I just can't pay them to see who is LEFT etc..
Last time I had a freebee which I have had two sent to me.. One person out of 512 was there... and he was mad and quting as well.
When the NGE hit, we killed the city, the guild quit and the friends lists and my emails were full of the (Bye cya later the NGE ruined me) --- type crap to cause me to have a bit of anger.
The summit meeting did it for me though, after seeing them in my face tell me things that they never said on the boards was enough.
Telling me that "Ignorance is bliss in the game" made me want spit. They said things there that they would never say on the boards because people could not handle it. I miss the game and I miss the people in it.
I agree fully , BS posts are BS posts though . Not really much anyone can do to get rid of them . I won't name any names but . There is a certain person who posts BS all the time . Yet to be honest I don't even know if he is really even playing the game . Or just here to stir people up . I am sure you know who I am talking about and its not Obraik .
Everyone here wants SWG to be what we remember it as , Even Obraik IMO . IF he dosen't want the gameplay back . He sure as shit wants the community back or he wouldn't spend so much time here .Hell maybe I am under the same notion as him . Say enough positives about it you may get some numbers back . I know thats wishful thinking but wth you know ? The only reaosn I don't do that is because I know the game isn't what most people here want .
But as far as not being able to stand you , I have no personal beef with you . I just like to argue , ANd have a nasty habit of looking for a point to argue, even if I don't fully support what it is I am arguing for . I just think every topic should have a dual sided convo going on . Otherwise you might as well watch Fox News , And eat at Mcdonalds everyday you know ? :P
But thats why people can't stand me , My habits don't make me a very likeable person . But I have gotten used to that over the years .
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
"If you like to gamble, I tell you I'm your man
You win some, lose some, all the same to me
The pleasure is to play, makes no difference what you say
I don't share your greed, the only card I need is
The Ace Of Spades
Playing for the high one, dancing with the devil,
Going with the flow, it's all the game to me,
Seven or Eleven, snake eyes watching you,
Double up or quit, double stake or split,
The Ace Of Spades
You know I'm born to lose, and gambling's for fools,
But that's the way I like it baby,
I don't wanna live for ever,
And don't forget the joker!
Pushing up the ante, I know you've got to see me,
Read 'em and weep, the dead man's hand again,
I see it in your eyes, take one look and die,
The only thing you see, you know it's gonna be,
The Ace Of Spades"
"There are two kinds of spurs, my friend. Those that come in by the door; those that come in by the window"
The last of the Trackers
My favorite quote was when I asked Rogue_5 if SWG was an MMORPG, in light of Nancy Macintyre's "kill, loot, repeat" comments. He said, "This is an MMO, I don't know if I'd call it an 'RPG' ". This caused a pretty unpleasant reaction from the crowd. Afterward, he went into damage control.
EDIT: Ahh, here it is. Ok, so after he said this, another summit-goer,
Khristen
(A Galactic Senator), asked him about it after the Q&A session, and here's what Khristen said the response was:
"What he meant by the statement is that the combat isn't traditional
RPG, turn-based style. Most people think of that kind of combat when
they hear a game is an RPG, which would be misleading for SWG at this
point. He stressed that role-play is still very much a part of the
game and something that was to be encouraged. So while the statement
could certainly have been taken to be a nail in the coffin for RP, it
wasn't meant to be that way."
On this, I call "BULLSHIT". I think his first response was the most truthful, or for that matter, accurate.
SO, Isk, I see you're still fighting the good fight! Ready to come over and join WoW yet? I know, I know...I'm sick of frigging elf and magic MMO's too. But you gotta give WoW at least one thing: It's actually a WORKING product.
So, how's Bria doing?
My favorite quote was when I asked Rogue_5 if SWG was an MMORPG, in light of Nancy Macintyre's "kill, loot, repeat" comments. He said, "This is an MMO, I don't know if I'd call it an 'RPG' ". This caused a pretty unpleasant reaction from the crowd. Afterward, he went into damage control.
EDIT: Ahh, here it is. Ok, so after he said this, another summit-goer, Khristen (A Galactic Senator), asked him about it after the Q&A session, and here's what Khristen said the response was:
"What he meant by the statement is that the combat isn't traditional RPG, turn-based style. Most people think of that kind of combat when they hear a game is an RPG, which would be misleading for SWG at this point. He stressed that role-play is still very much a part of the game and something that was to be encouraged. So while the statement could certainly have been taken to be a nail in the coffin for RP, it wasn't meant to be that way."
On this, I call "BULLSHIT". I think his first response was the most truthful, or for that matter, accurate.
SO, Isk, I see you're still fighting the good fight! Ready to come over and join WoW yet? I know, I know...I'm sick of frigging elf and magic MMO's too. But you gotta give WoW at least one thing: It's actually a WORKING product.
So, how's Bria doing?
But see this is what made me quit -- People here and others do not know this. Somthing tells me that if they had people bold face lie to them AT THIER FACE they would have a different outlook on some of this.
When you have a Dev (If you recall) I was standing up when Grant came by the table... I ripped on Him for the UI alone -- If you recall he stood there looked me in the eye and said , He just did not know what to say.
He had NO input on the UI and was not part of that...
To this day though, the best was the Jedi subject and what the REAL player base thought of it being a starting profession. I swear I thought a riot was going to break out.
The entire crowd at the summit was against Free Jedi and were mad it was made into a gimped free class.
But as the discussion went on we found out that NOT all Devs wanted this and that marketing of the NGE played a role.
But it was great seeing the Devs hang their head in shame with that scream...It really was
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1