Originally posted by Khuzarrz Can you give me a definition/reasoning behind them being emo? (One that isn't the standard sweeping generalisations of 'OMFG THEY WEAR EYESHADOW - MUST BE EMO!!111')... I want an actual musical analysis of what makes them emo please... Oh wait - you can't, coz they're not emo... Shame really... You had a really good argument up until that point...
The way they sing maybe? And, yea... the eye shadow doesn't help their case any. A musical analysis? Lol, your a trip man. Btw, punk rock=emo. Dont tell me oh, their goth punk rock w/e...if you think afi is goth you're an idiot. Though, most goths are just outcasts that want attention anyways. Why don't you just accept they are emo and enjoy their music if you realy like them, instead of trying to make excuses because you are ashamed you listen to a bunch of emotional dudes who try to act depressed. I could respect you then. For example, one of my best friends likes afi. He was giving a speech about himself today in class actually (assignment for school) and he was like...yeah...I wear tight pants, and yeah I wear makeup...I like punk emo bands, and I'm not ashamed of it. I can RESPECT him, you know why? Because he accepts it for what it is...If you like emo music, thats cool. Just dont try and give it a fake name and pretend your not emotional as hell. Because your ARE. And...for gods sake, don't try and act like your a sad depressed person, like your life is so morbid...go to a third world country, thats morbid, THEY have something to be depressed about. Put a starving african child on stage, let him sing about his life... thats REAL folks, its not fake drama, thats real. When you can give a kid an original nintendo...and he cries his eyes out in happiness, because he never got a present in his life...thats real...Emo is not real..., goth is not real...its just a bunch of emotional dudes trying to get attention, sympathy...
Originally posted by Thanatosx33 The way they sing maybe? And, yea... the eye shadow doesn't help their case any. A musical analysis? Lol, your a trip man. Btw, punk rock=emo. Dont tell me oh, their goth punk rock w/e...if you think afi is goth you're an idiot. Though, most goths are just outcasts that want attention anyways. Why don't you just accept they are emo and enjoy their music if you realy like them, instead of trying to make excuses because you are ashamed you listen to a bunch of emotional dudes who try to act depressed. I could respect you then. For example, one of my best friends likes afi. He was giving a speech about himself today in class actually (assignment for school) and he was like...yeah...I wear tight pants, and yeah I wear makeup...I like punk emo bands, and I'm not ashamed of it. I can RESPECT him, you know why? Because he accepts it for what it is...If you like emo music, thats cool. Just dont try and give it a fake name and pretend your not emotional as hell. Because your ARE. And...for gods sake, don't try and act like your a sad depressed person, like your life is so morbid...go to a third world country, thats morbid, THEY have something to be depressed about. Put a starving african child on stage, let him sing about his life... thats REAL folks, its not fake drama, thats real. When you can give a kid an original nintendo...and he cries his eyes out in happiness, because he never got a present in his life...thats real...Emo is not real..., goth is not real...its just a bunch of emotional dudes trying to get attention, sympathy...
Rofl. Quite frankly, Rofl. I'm not ashamed to listen to emo - right now I have Bayside - A synonym for aquiesce playing (it's in fact one of my favourite songs, despite the disgustingly stereotypical lyrics...), I play for a Screamo/Metal band, as well as an alternative band with a lyrical focus on the upsetting sides of life (no, it's not "cut my wrists and black my eyes" stuff, just looking at the emotions we have in day to day situations). Punk rock is not emo ffs... Emo is a subgenre of punk rock, with branches into metal, jazz, funk, just about everything imaginable... Emo (in it's original form) was punk rock styled music with emotional lyrics as was being heard in the more mainstream music styles at the time ('the time' refering to approximately 1984 when the first true emo band first made it as a success). AFI is not emo. They are goth punk, so shut the hell up. If you'd even educate yourself in music styles you don't have an appreciation to, you'd understand this. Try listening to some AFI, instead of regurgitating what all the other 'metal heads' or whatever are claiming about them... They sometimes exhibit screaming (often in their older songs) AS AN AGGRESSIVE MEANS, NOT AN EMOTIONAL ONE. Their chord progressions and guitar style are very much of a punk nature, although slightly more advanced, leaning away from the standard 4-power-chord riffs the mainstream punk bands exhibit. They often choose to add an element of dischord, playing with minor key signatures, so as to add an element of 'darkness' to their music, as is characteristic of GOTHIC MUSIC. That is a very basic analysis of the base elements of their music... I chose to ommit writing what typical 'emo' would use in the same areas, as this would only spout more arguments....
As for your "TRYING to be depressed" comment... My god, grow up, open your eyes, go and study psychology if you really want to... But try and understand that all the money, social security, supportive family etc. etc. etc. will NOT make you any happier than someone living in poverty in a third world country... I'm being called off the PC so can't stick around to argue this point in more depth... But seriously, people ARE depressed, do suffer, do get upset, do have morbid lives, even in our 'wonderful' world here... If you don't, then props to you, I'm glad, and I hope that is because your life is genuinely good, rather than just that you have grown up in a society where you've been unable to voice such emotions, so now you feel out of touch with them - the realities I see of friends lives however, and sometimes my own, are enough to make me question why anyone would even consider staying on this planet frankly though. You perhaps should consider situations some of the singers your whining about have taken their inspiration from... For instance, a car crash you caused killing your girlfriend; someone trying to rape you; losing a parent - straight off the top of my head are a few issues sung about in songs from Avril Lavigne to Silverstein. Don't write people off just because they don't live in poverty. It's state of mind that counts. Bah I could go on with this for hours, but I'm still being yelled at to get off the PC so I'll have to stop here. Damnit no conclusion. Ummm.... Emotions>Apathy. There. Conclusion.
As for your "TRYING to be depressed" comment... My god, grow up, open your eyes, go and study psychology if you really want to... But try and understand that all the money, social security, supportive family etc. etc. etc. will NOT make you any happier than someone living in poverty in a third world country... I'm being called off the PC so can't stick around to argue this point in more depth... But seriously, people ARE depressed, do suffer, do get upset, do have morbid lives, even in our 'wonderful' world here... If you don't, then props to you, I'm glad, and I hope that is because your life is genuinely good, rather than just that you have grown up in a society where you've been unable to voice such emotions, so now you feel out of touch with them - the realities I see of friends lives however, and sometimes my own, are enough to make me question why anyone would even consider staying on this planet frankly though. You perhaps should consider situations some of the singers your whining about have taken their inspiration from... For instance, a car crash you caused killing your girlfriend; someone trying to rape you; losing a parent - straight off the top of my head are a few issues sung about in songs from Avril Lavigne to Silverstein. Don't write people off just because they don't live in poverty. It's state of mind that counts. Bah I could go on with this for hours, but I'm still being yelled at to get off the PC so I'll have to stop here. Damnit no conclusion. Ummm.... Emotions>Apathy. There. Conclusion.
The moral of the story is this; some people are emo.
"Speaking haygywaygy or some other gibberish with your mum doesn't make you foreign." -baff
A few bands you should think about are Lamb of God, the Pantera side projects (like Superjoint Ritual, Damageplan, Down, etc), Hatebreed, early Metallica (Kill 'em All, Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets... they suck after that), and Soulfly. Maybe even check out Cannibal Corpse if you are really insane about your metal.
Originally posted by Xexima What are you nuts? Trivium isn't emo. If you want emo go listen to dashboard confessional or some other crap of the sort. Try black metal.
W T F black metal?!?!?! jesus wtf Trivium are metalcore and in flames are melodic death metal/metalcore trivium are a bunch of posers and in flames latest albums make me sick
Originally posted by Synyster777 Originally posted by Xexima What are you nuts? Trivium isn't emo. If you want emo go listen to dashboard confessional or some other crap of the sort. Try black metal.
W T F black metal?!?!?! jesus wtf Trivium are metalcore and in flames are melodic death metal/metalcore trivium are a bunch of posers and in flames latest albums make me sick
Im going to have to agree with this, inflames is not black metal and Come Clarity seriously made me wonder what they were thinking.
Originally posted by albinofreak A few bands you should think about are Lamb of God, the Pantera side projects (like Superjoint Ritual, Damageplan, Down, etc), Hatebreed, early Metallica (Kill 'em All, Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets... they suck after that), and Soulfly. Maybe even check out Cannibal Corpse if you are really insane about your metal. Oh, and Shadows Fall is sweet too.
You forgot the black album. :P IMO its their best. Other then that...id say everything else is right...wait....yep.
Nope, I left out the Black Album for a reason. Thats when they went full on with their pussification. It had a few good songs, like Unforgiven, but most were Metallica+puss. ...and Justice for All is okay, guess I left that out. But Enter Sandman is so lame.
Originally posted by ThrashMinded iv bin listening ta rock music for only 5 yearz (i know it aint long) 4 1/2 av been metal but thrash metal haz tacken over the ony true thrash bandz i no are: pantera in flamez dragonforce trivium slayer any1 no some ace thrash bandz?
if you ever talk like that again I will come over and severely beat you
Originally posted by albinofreak Nope, I left out the Black Album for a reason. Thats when they went full on with their pussification. It had a few good songs, like Unforgiven, but most were Metallica+puss. ...and Justice for All is okay, guess I left that out. But Enter Sandman is so lame.
In complete agreeance with this one. Metallica's 'Black' album equals the point where they very radidly dived from Metal champions to commercial enterprise. Pretty much everything on that album stinks of commercialisation.
The Black album is pretty much the equivalent of Dire Straights releasing the track Money For Nothing; 100% commercial junk, selling out to the corporate dime bullshit (but in Dire Straight's regard there were at least a few amazing songs on Brothers In Arms, unlike the Black album).
I despise Metallica now, not that I think they should have continued doing what they did for the rest of their careers, but that they just flat out sold out overnight, and then had the gaul to act like they were still musical Gods. What Brittney Spears is to pop, Metallica is to 'hard Metal' now imo.
Complete fkn travesty.
I have to disagree on "And Justice for All is okay" personally. I think musically that album is one of the best written. Sadly though it's possibly the worst produced of all of their albums. That one was recorded at a stage where studios were really ramping up the technology, so it's a very over produced, over compressed, bass-lacking masterpiece imo hehe.
I don't listen to much Metal anymore really, kind of grown out of it I guess. I'll put on Chaos AD, Arise (Seps) and some oldschool Metallica now and then, but much more happy listening to The Tea Party, Tool, Shihad etc.
All the above is purely just my opinion, as a musician. I don't expect anyone to agree with me (especially those who were in like 8th grade in 1994 and think the Black album is Metallica's first album. I still remember some 8th grader asking me (when I was in 12th) when the new Metallica album with that song One was coming out - remember they re-released it. Metallica suck balls now. Lars can fuck off and die a slow death).
"(The) Iraqi people owe the American people a huge debt of gratitude." - George W Bush. Oh. My. God.
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If you haven't, you must listen to Sepultra's "Arise".
In it's poorly produced splendor is one of the greatest trash-death monuments.
Add to that Metallica's "Justice For All" and even "Master of Puppets" (Justice is a true masterpiece).
Even think about checking out some early Anthrax.
And while you're at the CD store, make sure to cop a listen to Suicidal Tendancies' "Asleep At The Wheel". Hell, anything by Suicidal.
In that lot of bands there's quite a lot of variation in styles of hardcore.
Rock on brutha.
"(The) Iraqi people owe the American people a huge debt of gratitude." - George W Bush.
Oh. My. God.
Rofl. Quite frankly, Rofl. I'm not ashamed to listen to emo - right now I have Bayside - A synonym for aquiesce playing (it's in fact one of my favourite songs, despite the disgustingly stereotypical lyrics...), I play for a Screamo/Metal band, as well as an alternative band with a lyrical focus on the upsetting sides of life (no, it's not "cut my wrists and black my eyes" stuff, just looking at the emotions we have in day to day situations). Punk rock is not emo ffs... Emo is a subgenre of punk rock, with branches into metal, jazz, funk, just about everything imaginable... Emo (in it's original form) was punk rock styled music with emotional lyrics as was being heard in the more mainstream music styles at the time ('the time' refering to approximately 1984 when the first true emo band first made it as a success). AFI is not emo. They are goth punk, so shut the hell up. If you'd even educate yourself in music styles you don't have an appreciation to, you'd understand this. Try listening to some AFI, instead of regurgitating what all the other 'metal heads' or whatever are claiming about them... They sometimes exhibit screaming (often in their older songs) AS AN AGGRESSIVE MEANS, NOT AN EMOTIONAL ONE. Their chord progressions and guitar style are very much of a punk nature, although slightly more advanced, leaning away from the standard 4-power-chord riffs the mainstream punk bands exhibit. They often choose to add an element of dischord, playing with minor key signatures, so as to add an element of 'darkness' to their music, as is characteristic of GOTHIC MUSIC. That is a very basic analysis of the base elements of their music... I chose to ommit writing what typical 'emo' would use in the same areas, as this would only spout more arguments....
As for your "TRYING to be depressed" comment... My god, grow up, open your eyes, go and study psychology if you really want to... But try and understand that all the money, social security, supportive family etc. etc. etc. will NOT make you any happier than someone living in poverty in a third world country... I'm being called off the PC so can't stick around to argue this point in more depth... But seriously, people ARE depressed, do suffer, do get upset, do have morbid lives, even in our 'wonderful' world here... If you don't, then props to you, I'm glad, and I hope that is because your life is genuinely good, rather than just that you have grown up in a society where you've been unable to voice such emotions, so now you feel out of touch with them - the realities I see of friends lives however, and sometimes my own, are enough to make me question why anyone would even consider staying on this planet frankly though. You perhaps should consider situations some of the singers your whining about have taken their inspiration from... For instance, a car crash you caused killing your girlfriend; someone trying to rape you; losing a parent - straight off the top of my head are a few issues sung about in songs from Avril Lavigne to Silverstein. Don't write people off just because they don't live in poverty. It's state of mind that counts. Bah I could go on with this for hours, but I'm still being yelled at to get off the PC so I'll have to stop here. Damnit no conclusion. Ummm.... Emotions>Apathy. There. Conclusion.
The moral of the story is this; some people are emo.
"Speaking haygywaygy or some other gibberish with your mum doesn't make you foreign."
-baff
A few bands you should think about are Lamb of God, the Pantera side projects (like Superjoint Ritual, Damageplan, Down, etc), Hatebreed, early Metallica (Kill 'em All, Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets... they suck after that), and Soulfly. Maybe even check out Cannibal Corpse if you are really insane about your metal.
Oh, and Shadows Fall is sweet too.
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Im going to have to agree with this, inflames is not black metal and Come Clarity seriously made me wonder what they were thinking.
Dimmu Borgir is black metal. Mean ass black metal
pantera- Not thrash, they are groove metal and not that good
in flames- melodic death metal, new stuff is awful (listen to The Jester Race for good In Flames)
dragonforce- power metal, pretty boring, good guitar work though
trivium- shitty metalcore band (most metalcore sucks ass except Lamb of God and pre-War Within Shadows Fall)
slayer- the only thrash band on this list and have been going downhill on recent albums
EDIT: Trivium being black metal is laughable. Black metal is bands like Immortal, Dark Funeral, Emperor etc.
Dimmu isn't that great either they have only put out two decent albums (Stormblast, Enthroned Darkness Triumphant)
Check out these bands:Nile
Immortal
Emperor
Darkthrone
Amon Amath
Necrophagist
Hypocrisy
Blind Guardian (good for people that like singing and not growling)
That is a good start
Metallica's 'Black' album equals the point where they very radidly dived from Metal champions to commercial enterprise. Pretty much everything on that album stinks of commercialisation.
The Black album is pretty much the equivalent of Dire Straights releasing the track Money For Nothing; 100% commercial junk, selling out to the corporate dime bullshit (but in Dire Straight's regard there were at least a few amazing songs on Brothers In Arms, unlike the Black album).
I despise Metallica now, not that I think they should have continued doing what they did for the rest of their careers, but that they just flat out sold out overnight, and then had the gaul to act like they were still musical Gods.
What Brittney Spears is to pop, Metallica is to 'hard Metal' now imo.
Complete fkn travesty.
I have to disagree on "And Justice for All is okay" personally. I think musically that album is one of the best written. Sadly though it's possibly the worst produced of all of their albums. That one was recorded at a stage where studios were really ramping up the technology, so it's a very over produced, over compressed, bass-lacking masterpiece imo hehe.
I don't listen to much Metal anymore really, kind of grown out of it I guess. I'll put on Chaos AD, Arise (Seps) and some oldschool Metallica now and then, but much more happy listening to The Tea Party, Tool, Shihad etc.
All the above is purely just my opinion, as a musician. I don't expect anyone to agree with me (especially those who were in like 8th grade in 1994 and think the Black album is Metallica's first album. I still remember some 8th grader asking me (when I was in 12th) when the new Metallica album with that song One was coming out - remember they re-released it. Metallica suck balls now. Lars can fuck off and die a slow death).
"(The) Iraqi people owe the American people a huge debt of gratitude." - George W Bush.
Oh. My. God.