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Anyone hear/read anything about a release date/month?
stcolympia
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When is this puppy coming out?
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the above poster is correct, but don't be surprised if it even reaches summer '07. sigil will not release vanguard until its ready, so don't be surprised if it gets pushed back even further.
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This winter it is! *Twitch*
They never said it would absolutely come out this year in fact they have never promised anything. For years the only thing they have ever said about release was that they hoped to release sometime in 2006. This year they changed that to this winter. Cindy Bowens further clarified winter to mean December to 1st quater 2007. Brad has most recently said they hope to release between January and March of 2007 if everything goes well.
So no they have never promised any release date nor have they ever delayed this games release. Their only promise has been to not release until the game is ready. Given Brad's recent statements it is probably liklley this game will not be released until spring-summer of 2007 at the earliest.
Most games take 4-5 years to develop. Vanguard began production in the summer of 2002. It appears to be right on schedule to be released in close to 5 years. Yes they could probably have pushed an early release but that does not seem to be the case. Rather they seem to be taking their time in beta to make sure the game will come close to the game they want released. Fun, polished and full of content. People may hate WoW but the best thing I see about WoW is it is forcing new developers to not release their games early. Sigil seems to have gotten the message of what happens to games like DDO and EQ2 when they release an unpolished and unfinished game to early. People want more and will demand more now. They may not like WoW but its the better alternative over an unfinished and unpolished game.
From everything that has been posted about Vanguards beta the game is still very raw and in early beta. Another year of beta would not be surprising. The focus of beta so far appears to have been almost soley on the perfecting the core systems of group combat, crafting and to a lesser extent diplomacy. The rest of the game appears to be waiting to be added. At least this is my interpretation of the dev posts, beta newsletters and Brad statements. Hopefully development will accelerate with the start of beta 3 but there are always problems and things never go as smoothly as hoped. January to March may be possible but its probably unlikley.
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Sounds like he said it will come out this year.
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Sounds like he said it will come out this year.
If you read my above statement that link is exactly what I said they they said. They said they hoped it would come out in 2006 but never promised it would and never felt comfortable enough to give a release date. I don't see anywhere in that link that they said it will come out in 2006 or promised anything other than they are anticipating or hoping for a 2006 release. If you read Brads comments during in development he never guranteed or promised a 2006 release date rather he said that was their hope or goal. He has rather consistently said the game will only be released when its ready and there are no promises. Which is exactly what Sigil has said for years. When they were able to give us a more precise release date they did. Even with their more precise date of January to March they are not promising anything. The key here is Brad said he hopews for a Janary to March release date if everything goes well and that the game will oinly be released when its ready. That is not a promise either rather it appears to be a statment that said we would love to release ion the spring but its probably will noit happen.
Brad had said "Jan.-March" some time ago, but this could change to a later date of course.
Noted that recently Age of Conan has been pushed back to March-May timeframe.
Delayed releases = par for the course.
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Sounds like he said it will come out this year.
If you read my above statement that link is exactly what I said they they said. They said they hoped it would come out in 2006 but never promised it would and never felt comfortable enough to give a release date. I don't see anywhere in that link that they said it will come out in 2006 or pormised anything other than they are anticipating or hoping for a 2006 release. If you read Brads comments during in development he never guranteed or promised a 2006 release date rather he said that was their hope or goal. He has rather consistently said the game will only be released when its ready and there are no promises. Which is exactly what Sigil has said for years. When they were able to give us a more precise release date they did.
"We recently began beta 2. As others have posted we will have at minimum
4 beta phases. Other than to say we will release in 2006, it would be
premature for me to be more specific."
Again sounds to me like he said it will be release in 2006.
I still want to know, is the game fun?
D
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Sounds like he said it will come out this year.
If you read my above statement that link is exactly what I said they they said. They said they hoped it would come out in 2006 but never promised it would and never felt comfortable enough to give a release date. I don't see anywhere in that link that they said it will come out in 2006 or pormised anything other than they are anticipating or hoping for a 2006 release. If you read Brads comments during in development he never guranteed or promised a 2006 release date rather he said that was their hope or goal. He has rather consistently said the game will only be released when its ready and there are no promises. Which is exactly what Sigil has said for years. When they were able to give us a more precise release date they did.
"We recently began beta 2. As others have posted we will have at minimum 4 beta phases. Other than to say we will release in 2006, it would be premature for me to be more specific."
Again sounds to me like he said it will be release in 2006.
I still want to know, is the game fun?
D
You have to take the statement in its context as well as in with what they have also said. Which is they anticipate a 2006 release date or that we hope for a 2006 release date. Add in other statements which say we cannot guranatee a 2006 release date. The difference here may be semantics but it is more than that. Almost all game companies promise everything under the sun. Sigil and Brad have been quite different they have done their best to underhype and underpromise. Generally Brad will clarify almost statements taken out of context to say there is no promise here and its just a goal. Sure the goal was not reached but Brad has said time and time again that 2006 was never promised but rather a goal. If you look at what he is sating for the January-March release date he is saying the same thing. Yes we have a goal but don't expect the game to be out then. There are no hard dates and Sigil has never given a hard date. rather they have coinstantly hedged and talked about goals and what they expect to happen. In other words they talk about release in somewhat releastic terms rather than prmises or gurantees which most game companies use.
Why the change? Don't tell me MMORPG's are hard to make, I'm pretty sure Brad and company knew that already. Right now I am very jaded with MMORPGs. The best one out still stucks. I don't trust what they promise, or what they say. All I really care about is; is the game fun. Right now all signs point to no.
I was looking forward to this game comming out, now I'm not so sure. There are other games, ones that look like they will be a lot of fun. Vanguard had a year on them. Now it doesn't. Without a game to play, Sigil is just making another MMORPG. Tack it on to the list with the others.
I guess my point really is, okay, they are making an upgrade to EQ/EQ2, whatever, it sounded fun, but it sounded fun last year. This year, doesn't sound like a lot of fun. Next year, I don't think it will be fun.
D
Every month that goes by without Vanguard releasing is another month for another game to add more features, to add more content, and for other games to come steal their thunder. Look at W.A.R. right now it is the darling of MMORPG. At one point Vanguard was king. Has any feature in Vanguard changed? No they have been adding more features as far as I can tell.
Also, take a look at Vangaurd compared to WoW last December, now compare it to WoW now, and compare it to the Burning Crusades. Vanguards features start to dimish when you compare it.
I hope this makes a little more sense. I know what I'm looking for, I just don't know where to find it.
The only release date that interest me is: The launch of a non-raiding server, if such a thing ever happen.
Other release are irrelevant and of no consequences.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
How many MMORPGs that have been released to date really were "finished" when realeased? Seems to me most were pushed early and were still in beta, even WoW had its problems less than many other MMORPGs admittedly. Still I don't believe being polished means it'll be fun, I hate fantasy anyway so it's not an issue for me. However SWG was released unfinished with many bugs (that still exist) but was fun.
As for pushing back the date well, it's to be expected. If Brad jumped up now and said it's being released this December then I'd be really worried.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
I know they have said there will be aternative rules servers but I don't see aything like this coming to fruition. I mean what constitutes "non-raiding"? No 25 man content, no 10 man, no 5 man? It's just kind of ambiguous...what is a raid to you might not be a raid to others, and vice versa.
Good luck on that though.