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SWG NGE not going anywhere soon and SWG Classic very likely IMO
Concord7
Member Posts: 125
While these numbers may not reflect subscriptions, they probably are a good indicator of consumer interest. The interest here (a third party site) in SWG Classic exceeds most MMOs currently on the market. Thus my prediction SWG Classic will return either this XMAS or right before the next summer break for the kids. (Assuming LEC has no current plans for a SWG2 type game.)
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i think SWG is thinking of making SWG classic server P2P. but when have they ever done something players wanted?
and if they put it in, will they keep upgrading it parallell to NGE?
I think they could very easily triple their subscribers within a month, if they opened a few pre-CU servers. Eventually, it's going to come down to a rollback or a shut down. And I think they'll chose the path that leads to more money, dignity be damned.
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Basically that will continue as long as the subscriber trend line is downward. At some point if that continues you have to believe that classic servers will be an option, if only to halt the nosedive and buy them time to "finish" the NGE and keep the game cash positive.
WoW is a huge success, but copying it doesnt mean you will have a successfull MMORPG. WoW players play WoW and not WoW wannabees.
SWG classic will be on a server near you. With or without LEC or SOE.
Hauken Stormchaser
I want pre-CU back
Station.com : We got your game
Yeah?, Well i want it back!!!
But stupid is as stupid does.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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Your drugs , Can I have some ? They must be real good :P .
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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Will there be free punch and pie in that world or is this some kind of crazy backwards world where apes evolved from men and roving bands of tomatoes kill the helpless?
Former SWG beta tester and player
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
You just need to sum/subtract the right numbers up, and the answer is obvious.
You just need to sum/subtract the right numbers up, and the answer is obvious.
What exactly am i suposted to be looking for here? That SWG has more active users online than everything on that list except EQ2? Yes...that is clearly a sign that classic swg servers are comming.
Im no fan of current SWG, but this thread has no purpose at all. Not only is the title misleading, but the included data holds no conclusive results/answers other than some games have more activity on the forums that others.
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
You just need to sum/subtract the right numbers up, and the answer is obvious.
What exactly am i suposted to be looking for here? That SWG has more active users online than everything on that list except EQ2? Yes...that is clearly a sign that classic swg servers are comming.
Im no fan of current SWG, but this thread has no purpose at all. Not only is the title misleading, but the included data holds no conclusive results/answers other than some games have more activity on the forums that others.
I think Rekrul was using sarcasm :P Could be wrong though
You just need to sum/subtract the right numbers up, and the answer is obvious.
What exactly am i suposted to be looking for here? That SWG has more active users online than everything on that list except EQ2? Yes...that is clearly a sign that classic swg servers are comming.
Im no fan of current SWG, but this thread has no purpose at all. Not only is the title misleading, but the included data holds no conclusive results/answers other than some games have more activity on the forums that others.
I think Rekrul was using sarcasm :P Could be wrong though
Lol..maybe. But if he wasnt, I already have a post prepared as you can see
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
Connecting the dots for the non-business types-
Given that forum activity is a predictor of a Mmo’s popularity, it stands to reason that popularity translates into subscriptions. Subscriptions = $$$$
The above stats show that SWG is a very popular amongst MMOs . Also, the stats show that some lower populated longer running MMOs are still going concerns(making money). There is a large group of players very interested in a Classic SWG (Duck, posters here and on the official forums as examples) This shows that a Classic version of SWG could be ranked highly in the above list and potentially very profitable.
Hence, the opportunity cost of not running a Classic SWG grows daily. As a publicly traded company, Sony will likely capitalize on this opportunity in the future.
It just seems that pretty much before WoW launched they were relatively happy with the numbers. I mean I don't really remember seeing Smedley say... Hey we're losing subs stuff will change.
I also don't think they factored in that "x" amount of people would leave to try WoW or other games. Eventually get bored and come back. I see that in DAoC a lot altho they are definitely down on subs, but anyway.
Pretty much I think someone started eyeing the sub numbers that WoW had. Made a correlation with the idea that "Star Wars" should be just as popular. Then said why doesn't SWG have more subs. Especially when you think about what percentage left to give wow a try.
So we start hearing about a combat upgrade. Had one of those in EQ2 that didn't go over that well either.
At that point I liked a lot of what they talked about. Gordon Walton (aka Tyrant) was pretty much in charge of that. Promised that it wouldn't go live until ready.
Next thing I know he suddenly vanishes from SOE... and the CU goes live.
Obviously most everyone knows the rest.
I'm sure in a corporate office somewhere... some boy genius is trying to figure out why the numbers didn't go up. After all the press releases he wrote about 80 percent Vet retention and having more subs than ever..etc... and when somebody in some office that has more square footage... came in and said... um boy wonder the subs are not up they are down...
(that's my fantasy version anyway).
Yet in all seriousness SOE is a publicly traded company.. they have share holders to answer to.
If they plan on running SWG for an extended period of time (I have no idea what their license is or their plans with it). I don't see how it makes sense not to do a Pre-CU server.
At least run a poll so that registered accounts could vote for Pre-CU or CU whatever...
The issue then would be how many come back in a certain period of time. Would they wait a bit before thinking that failed.
There are many ex-swg players that I know probably think of the game and old friends. I think they'd want to see the classic server(s) run a bit before they'd go back.. get some word of mouth etc...
I firmly believe that once people heard from friends and knew they could re-establish old guilds etc then yes... subs would come rolling in. At least to the point that the game would definitely be making a profit.
Since that is what corporations are all about... I really don't understand why there is no classic server already.
Unless SOE is just going to run to the end of some license time period and let it go...
People on this sight have been predicting that SOE would come out with Pre-CU servers by such and such date since the NGE came out. The most SOE has done is added Pre-CU things back into the game. Personally, from the sound of Pre-CU, I would like to see a server or two, but I really don't think it is going to happen.
More than likely what will happen is more of the same Publishes and updates that SOE have been dishing out. The game gets better with each Publish and I've noticed as well as others in game that people are resubscribing more and more. I think eventually...after the last of the professions are completed, that SWG will have a steady community again and will be making enough to save face and never bring back Pre-CU. Granted not as many as Pre-CU, but I really feel that people look at Pre-CU with rose colored glasses.
I haven't experienced Pre-CU myself, but I have played many large MMO's and the trend is the same. A game, if decent, will start of strong, but over time will dwindle in numbers as newer games come out. This and the fact that Pre-CU was flawed according to many vets, I am thinking that Pre-CU was not as great as people say it was. I feel is was great for those that never played a MMO or a sandbox MMO before and loved the freedom of being in the SWG virtual world. But the game was badly bugged and incomplete then and to return to that point would turn a lot of people off. Sure many would resub to play, but after that luster wears off and people remember the things that they complained about in the Pre-CU era, people will start quitting again, writing off SWG as a dead game.
But I haven't read anything to make me think they've improved quality control noticeably in the NGE either, publishes are still pushed out with major bugs that Test Center revealed but they didn't fix before Publishing. Serious issues still languish for weeks and months. And every vet that is playing the NGE has to be looking over their shoulder constantly in fear of the next major change that will invalidate a lot of work they put in.
Trader revemp and PvP Ranking System, anyone?
I am a business type and your logic in some parts of this post, just doesn't add up. Not everyone subscribes or even cares about the forums. So forum numbers are not a good sign of how good a game is doing, although forums like on WoW is common sense. Take DDO for example. Their forums are pretty active, but does that mean DDO is a smashing hit?
So you're saying SWG has a huge fanbase because their forum numbers were higher than most, which equals more subscriptions than most. This would mean that the NGE is a hit and has more subscribers than all the other games on the list except EQ2. Remember that only subscribers have access to the forums. So how exactly does more subscribers on SWG than other games while in the NGE state it's in support your theory that they will bring Classic servers into play?
Like I said, your logic doesn't add up.
I am a business type and your logic in some parts of this post, just doesn't add up. Not everyone subscribes or even cares about the forums. So forum numbers are not a good sign of how good a game is doing, although forums like on WoW is common sense. Take DDO for example. Their forums are pretty active, but does that mean DDO is a smashing hit?
So you're saying SWG has a huge fanbase because their forum numbers were higher than most, which equals more subscriptions than most. This would mean that the NGE is a hit and has more subscribers than all the other games on the list except EQ2. Remember that only subscribers have access to the forums. So how exactly does more subscribers on SWG than other games while in the NGE state it's in support your theory that they will bring Classic servers into play?
Like I said, your logic doesn't add up.
1. The second column of the data shows guests. Guest are people who are not registered users or registered users not logged in.
2. The forum data correlates with published subscription numbers.
3. SOE has published a number of forum participants to subs percentage in the past (10% or so) Too tired to look up the reference. Rekrul could run his data collection program and we could probably get a good estimate of the actual current population.
But I haven't read anything to make me think they've improved quality control noticeably in the NGE either, publishes are still pushed out with major bugs that Test Center revealed but they didn't fix before Publishing. Serious issues still languish for weeks and months. And every vet that is playing the NGE has to be looking over their shoulder constantly in fear of the next major change that will invalidate a lot of work they put in.
Trader revemp and PvP Ranking System, anyone?
I know the community on this forums information is limited, because you all don't talk with most members in-game, so I will try to tell you exactly what the vets in game and the newer people are thinking and saying.
Nothing anyone has said, has indicated that the Publishes are pushed out before they should. In fact, people are pretty happy and grow happier with each publish. NOW, there are a lot of hopes and concerns with the trader revamp. Most except some of the NGE newbs want decay, engineering, and meaningful crafting back into the system. So a lot of Vets praying that SOE doesn't screw it up, but are pretty confident that they will get it right this time. But again, people are mostly just waiting to see what will happen and hope it's for the best. As for the PvP ranking system, everyone I have talked to on the Rebel side in Ahazi like the idea and can't wait. Faction ranks will finally be worth something and will be hard to obtain. No more Colonels running around that got their ranks off of Smuggler bought faction.
The fact of the matter is, when the NGE hit, SWG hit rock bottom. So improvements are easy and the only way they can go is up. Everything they have done since the NGE Nuke hit SWG, has made the game better and people are starting to have fun again. The biggest bitch in game right now is everyone looking the same and PvE being too easy. So people are really looking forward to the trader revamp, hoping that it will finally add diversity back into the game.
I am a business type and your logic in some parts of this post, just doesn't add up. Not everyone subscribes or even cares about the forums. So forum numbers are not a good sign of how good a game is doing, although forums like on WoW is common sense. Take DDO for example. Their forums are pretty active, but does that mean DDO is a smashing hit?
So you're saying SWG has a huge fanbase because their forum numbers were higher than most, which equals more subscriptions than most. This would mean that the NGE is a hit and has more subscribers than all the other games on the list except EQ2. Remember that only subscribers have access to the forums. So how exactly does more subscribers on SWG than other games while in the NGE state it's in support your theory that they will bring Classic servers into play?
Like I said, your logic doesn't add up.
1. The second column of the data shows guests. Guest are people who are not registered users or registered users not logged in.
2. The forum data correlates with published subscription numbers.
3. SOE has published a number of forum participants to subs percentage in the past (10% or so) Too tired to look up the reference,
Well I am too tired to really talk about this right now myself, but if you put all your research into one post and fully explain your reasoning behind your conclusion, people will be more likely to understand what you are saying. I know how it feels, coming up with a good idea, wanting to share it with others, but you are tired and don't feel like going into all the details at the time. This is when I decide to wait until tomorrow or I just decide to let the idea go, because posting something half ass or incomplete just looks like mumbo jumbo to everyone else reading.
Just get some sleep and explain yourself tomorrow.
What world are you in???
It does not matter what "improvements" they make. The damage that was done was permanent. Thousands of people who WERE LIED to will never go back. Also, with jedi as a starting profession, the game is a complete joke. Unless they make jedi like it was except harder to obtain the game will never have a chance. That is why the "ostrich" servers have so much of a following. When those servers become active the nge failure will be complete.