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PVP and looting was the premise of the movies
havocthefirs
Member Posts: 229
The entire trilogy was based on war, theft and looting, so why isnt the game? Bilbo stole the ring and gives it to Frodo which is basically where the movie begins. War was non-stop in the final movies. Battles were fought constantly. Looting was self evident (do you think if ya lost or broke your sword that you wouldnt loot a fallen foe or grab a better piece of armor), when the orcs and trolls captured Frodo they stripped him bare. I loved the movies but to make the game anything other than a dull chat room where you can visit the shire and all the other places in the world of lords of the rings, looting, PVP and theft are a must.
Let me clarify on the looting. If a guild declares war on another guild and that guild accepts the state of war then they can loot each other. If you wish to participate in that kind of pvp then you can join a war guild. So unless the actual sight of seeing this is too much to bear and is somehow game breaking I dont see a problem.
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I disagree Havoc, the war is basically PVE, main characters against hordes of foes. For the most part, the foes have no individualism, with a few big bad guys thrown in. And it has been argued by Tolkein scholars that even the named bad guys were so influenced by Sauran's will that they had no free will of their own, hence dev controlled PVE.
Bilbo didn't actually steal the ring, he found it lying in a tunnel after Gollum lost it. He didn't know it belonged to Gollum until Gollum threatened to kill him. If he had given the Ring back, Golem would have killed him anyway, so Bilbo had no real choice but keep the Ring and use it to make his escape from under the mountain. He later did steal from some Wood elves and a dragon, so maybe some form of theft should be included.
As to looting, I believe we will be able to loot anything we kill. A Dev post stated that they were trying to make the loot apropriate to the beast killed (no full sets of armor on a wolf, etc).
*runs for cover, waiting for the Tolkien-fans to rip poor Kellor to bloody pieces*
:: hears the call for someone who knows lore ::
We will all be
playing as the "Free Peoples" of Middle Earth. You will not be
able to play as those whoa re under the will of Sauron. So PvP has no
place. You will play as either a Dwarf, Elf, Human or Hobbit as the
free people that are not under the influence of Sauron or Saruman.
Therefore, PvP has no place.
If you had read the books, the trilogy was not based on war, theft and
looting. The books were about exploration, keeping to ones values,
staying the course despite overwhelming odds, etc. It's about a story,
which in the world of MMO's, a beautiful storyline what is desperately
needed. Indeed, literary scholars recognize it as one of the greatest
pieces of fiction in the 20th century as a matter of fact.
Please do not mistake the movies and the books. You saw nothing but war
and theft and looting in the movies. That was not the books, and the game
is to be based off of the books. Good lord, in the books, Helms Deep as a
battle only lasted about 8 pages. 8 pages out of the entire TTT
volume. That's it. That's all. When people think of The Two
Towers due to those movies, The battle of Helms Deep is what comes to
mind. In the volumes of LOTR? 8 pages out of over 1,000.
Anyone who wants PvP in a game is nothing more than a ganker/griefer. "Oh yeah...I'm gonna stand by here and wait for this unsuspecting guy that is fighting a mob to have his health drop down to 1/3 then I'm gonna sneak up and attack him." "Then I'm going to steal his equipment and boast about it in General Chat, all the while using juvenile phrases such as "I pwned him" or "You got served". Yeah...Great fun.
Sorry...I'm not a Tolkienn Lorefreak or anything. I just hate PvP.
And on the subject of war, in his letters, he frequently talked about his great dislike for war. He once wrote in one of his letters that when he came back from World War I, all of his childhood friends were dead. He called the builders, creators, and decision makers to use the Atomic Bomb "lunatics' and 'babel builders".
Lord of the Rings has to do with staying the course, resisting temptation. Not about war, PvP, and the like.
LotR is primarily PvE. . . if it was the Silmarillion online then the game would have to be PvP.
I didn't understand your complaint of "No looting", where on the official site did you see that? (Cause it isn't there)
My 0.02$ I'm glad the game will have a PVE focus.
Hmmm... *scratches head* this thread is interesting in an odd sort of way.
The "movie was based on pvp & looting" thing has prettymuch been thrashed, but I would like to point out that while you could argue that Biblo stole the Ring from Gollum (since he did actually leave the cave with after realizing it belonged to the poor creature), the One Ring was exerting its own will at that point. Lest we forget, the Ring wanted to be found when Smeagol came into possession of it. It wanted to move along when Bilbo came into possession of it.
I take issue that PvP is only of value to Griefers & Gankers. Having been the victim of both in my more naive days of MMO play... I can say without a doubt I could do neither to anyone. However, I have enjoyed PvP competitive play in an appropriate setting. Guild wars... Arena combat... and many other venues are acceptable to me - provided they require consent by both parties. Those who are intent on greifing will, unforunately, find ways of dong so without PvP - even if only by training nasties on unsuspecting player sin their vicinity. Bleh. Like with so many things, the few rotten apples can mess the bushel of PvP just as they can for any group. Of course I do agree with those who tink that PvP has no real place in LOTRO. I just doesn't. As another stated, we are to play the Free Peoples of Middle Earth. It just doesn't fit.
Just for the sake of argument though... if one wanted to argue for PvP having a place, one would be better served by looking at the novel, "The Hobbit," where a certain group of Dwarfs are beseiged by Men and Elves after retaking the Lonely Mountain.
It was? Wow, I don't remember that... ehh, as if I needed an excuse to go back and re-read The Hobbit ! I do remember there was a dwarven artifact that Thorin had lusted after... the Arkenstone wasn't it? Gah! Back to the book I run! **runs for the bookcase**
It was? Wow, I don't remember that... ehh, as if I needed an excuse to go back and re-read The Hobbit ! I do remember there was a dwarven artifact that Thorin had lusted after... the Arkenstone wasn't it? Gah! Back to the book I run! **runs for the bookcase**
It was not a dwarven ring, it was the dragon lust on the gold from smaug laying on it soo long. The gold was basically cursed. Yes thorin wanted the arkenstone more than anything else in the horde. Wich he went into a huge tissy when he found out bilbo had given it to bart of dale. And for the record they never did fight, the goblins showed up before they did and they came to their senses and banded together. This has been tried to be used for an excuse for pvp between the free races before and debunked.
You can't use one almost had a war between the dwarves, elves, and man as a reason to have pvp between them in the game.
Hmmm... good point! I didn't thinnk about the Dwarven ring being there... though I wonder, since no one was using the One Ring to seek dominion over the Dwarven Ring... was that really what caused the friction? Or was it pride and greed? Were the other rings flawed in that way? Or did they just open the wearers up to Suaron's control? It's been years since I read it all... I don't recall if he ever spelled that out.
Lol..... Yeah... there are plenty of other games out there if you want PVP. I just want to play a LOTR MMO and immerse myself
If you read my post you would notice I said between consenting guilds there would be war and lootiing, so how can a battle which has nothing to do with anyone who is not in those guilds be affected?
Looking at overall appeal, I can certainly understand the desire to see Dueling/Group Challenges/Guild Warfare in the game... I'm just not sure I can see it fitting comfortably into the Mythos. Tolkein's tale was about coming together to achieve wondrous things. I guess we'll see how it plays out. There is certainly an Active forum on the official site regarding PvP.
Hmmm... good point! I didn't thinnk about the Dwarven ring being there... though I wonder, since no one was using the One Ring to seek dominion over the Dwarven Ring... was that really what caused the friction? Or was it pride and greed? Were the other rings flawed in that way? Or did they just open the wearers up to Suaron's control? It's been years since I read it all... I don't recall if he ever spelled that out.
There was no dwarven ring present they had all been recovered by sauron or lost beyond recovery. Smaugs foul presence on the horde of his for so long caused people to do things they would not regularly do. So it was caused by the dragon horde that increased the natural greed that the dwarves and others had inside them. Only bilbo was not affected by it.