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Jim Ward is just as responsible as John Smedley for SWG.... why don't folks blam Mr. Ward as well?
Rabia
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Jim Ward is just as responsible as John Smedley for SWG.... why don't folks blam Mr. Ward as well?
I think Jim Ward's name should be utter in the same digust as John Smedley.... yet I don't
see most folks doing that. Why?
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SWG fans: "Get the tar and feathers ready, we're gonna hunt down Lee Ward."
Some guy in Kentucky named Lee Ward: "I feel a distubance in the force, as if thousands of rabid fans were out to tar and feather me."
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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Good question... Lets compare...
Sometimes it easier to keep your mouth shut and let everyone think you are a fool, or open your mouth and remove all doubt.. Mr. Smedley would be the latter of the 2.
Having access to a billion $ IP - Billions of dollars..
Having access to a massive fan base of said IP - Even more Billons...
Singly handedly alienating them due to stupidity - Priceless.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
playing eq2 and two worlds
Yeah and he is a tool... Just like Smedley... Somehow though Ward has managed to stay out of this particular spotlight concerning SWG.
Having access to a billion $ IP - Billions of dollars..
Having access to a massive fan base of said IP - Even more Billons...
Singly handedly alienating them due to stupidity - Priceless.
--When you resubscribe to SWG, an 18 yearold Stripper finds Jesus, gives up stripping, and moves with a rolex reverend to Hawaii.
--In MMORPG's l007 is the opiate of the masses.
--The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence!
--CCP could cut off an Eve player's fun bits, and that player would say that it was good CCP did that.
People need someone to blame and Smedly is it. There are many others that share in the blame (Ward, Smedly, Devs, players, Raph), some people just need one person or thing to focus there blame on, and that’s Smedly. Thank you for your time.
Damn byotch dat aint no friggn moon fool, dat be a friggn space station byotch.
I did say the players, former players and present players are still the players of SWG, and share in the blame. Thank you for your time.
Damn byotch dat aint no friggn moon fool, dat be a friggn space station byotch.
And you're welcome for my time.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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Titanic sank. It happened because one of the lookouts wasn't paying attention or something similar, I've forgotten the details.
So, instead of blaming the captain for ignoring the iceberg warning, the officers for cancelling all communication except for relaying of greetings from first-class passengers, lets blame the smelters who cast the iron from which the ship was made. After all, it was iron that broke and caused water to leak through.
CEO is responsible for what goes on in his company. If there's a problem with someone under them, it's their responsibility.
Or are you assuming the liberal aproach to business, where CEO's role is to rake in cash and act arrogant.
CEO takes the blame and praise for everything. That's how it works. That's his role. His only role. That's why his salary, his power, his position.
That is true, one of the many jobs of a CEO job is to take responsibility (blame) for anything that happens while on there watch, but then there is the “why”, the blame and the why are two totally different things, the blame is the easiest, it is always directed towards the one in charge, the why however, is a completely different matter altogether and much more complicated, it always involves a lot more people then just the CEO. In the case of SWG, it goes far beyond just any one person, and even goes as far as spilling over into the present and former customer base. In the end though Smedly is the head, he is the focus of SOE, and in turn, he is the one who gets the blame. Thank you for your time.
Damn byotch dat aint no friggn moon fool, dat be a friggn space station byotch.
How can you blame the customer base if any input (read that as constructive feedback from beta testers/players about what was wrong with the game) concerning SWG was ignored?
Can we be blamed for a game that was released unfinished, even though many of us beta testers provided feedback that it wasn't ready to be released.
Can we be blamed for consistently bad customer service?
Can we be blamed for a development team that everytime they added new content broke existing content?
Can we be blamed for $OE consistently alienating their core customer base to please a small group of players that thought the game was too complex for them because it offered too much variety?
I think not.
My Rant.
I blame the players that SOE/LA really develops for, people who never played the game and might play in the future if they do this one change.
Marketing destroyed SWG, greedy & unrestricted marketing.
--When you resubscribe to SWG, an 18 yearold Stripper finds Jesus, gives up stripping, and moves with a rolex reverend to Hawaii.
--In MMORPG's l007 is the opiate of the masses.
--The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence!
--CCP could cut off an Eve player's fun bits, and that player would say that it was good CCP did that.
Let's say you're an investor. You find several companies in MMO market.
Several are in perpetual growth (think WoW or EvE).
Some are making profits across the board and expanding (think GW)
Some are a solid business (DaoC, UO)
Then there's SWG.
Mind you, these are the titles. That's it. They all exist in the same market, with same customers (there is no difference between McD and BurgerKing customers). While many have found a way to run their business, SWG is failing.
How do you handle this in business?
"Aw, shucks mr. Wall Street Yuppie. Our customers are SOBs. We needs to gets us some of 'em WoW kiddies".
Maybe so. Maybe "your" customers do suck. But that doesn't change one thing. Management (the CxO) is what matters. I'm never assumed the "off with his head" attitude. But in the end, CxO's are who dictate corporate performance. Who else?
Look at it from other perspective:
- Google is so successful because os 76.4 million desperate housewives that use it (who needs legions of PhDs)
- Shell is such a solid earner because their customers use fuel cautiosly (strategic resource? what's that?)
- Enron went down in flames because its customers sucked (um, what fraud?)
- Johnson and Johnson is good business because their customers smell good (daily necesities?)
In the end, the customer base is the same. But competition is there to decide who is better.
The only way that customers would be responsible is if there were a different regime. Which reminds me, what heppened to your font? Do you now, or have you ever used, a red font?
But kidding aside, CxO is there for a reason. They make decisions. They are given the customers and they can't choose them. Customers choose the company.
No, it doesn't.
Let's say you're an investor. You find several companies in MMO market.
Several are in perpetual growth (think WoW or EvE).
Some are making profits across the board and expanding (think GW)
Some are a solid business (DaoC, UO)
Then there's SWG.
Mind you, these are the titles. That's it. They all exist in the same market, with same customers (there is no difference between McD and BurgerKing customers). While many have found a way to run their business, SWG is failing.
Yes all these games do exist in the MMO market, but the customer in this market are not the same, many players who enjoy Sci-fi games do not like WOW or enjoy fantasy base games. There are players in the Sci-Fi market that do not enjoy EVE due to it being a space simulator, many players who play WOW hate GW and DAOC, and like wise, so no not all the customers are the same. As for McDonalds and Burger King, yes the customers there are also different from each other, some like Burger King better then McDonalds because of the taste of there food or the way they present it for example, that is a different customer from the McDonald customer.
How do you handle this in business?
mr. Wall Street Yuppie. Our customers are SOBs. We needs to gets us some of 'em WoW kiddies""Aw, shucks
Maybe so. Maybe "your" customers do suck. But that doesn't change one thing. Management (the CxO) is what matters. I'm never assumed the "off with his head" attitude. But in the end, CxO's are who dictate corporate performance. Who else?
I have found that in many cases it is the majority Shareholders that dictate corporate performance, not the CEO, they dictate to the CEO how much they want this quarter no matter how unrealistic it is, they do not care what it involves, all they care about is getting there GP for that Quarter.
Look at it from other perspective:
- Google is so successful because os 76.4 million desperate housewives that use it (who needs legions of PhDs)
- Shell is such a solid earner because their customers use fuel cautiosly (strategic resource? what's that?)
- Enron went down in flames because its customers sucked (um, what fraud?)
- Johnson and Johnson is good business because their customers smell good (daily necesities?)
In the end, the customer base is the same. But competition is there to decide who is better.
The customer base is not the same, customer have different tastes, ideas, influences in there lives that can dictate what type of customer they are going to be.
The only way that customers would be responsible is if there were a different regime. Which reminds me, what heppened to your font? Do you now, or have you ever used, a red font?
No I just got bored with Red, it is my favorite colour, but I just wanted to try another colour out.
But kidding aside, CxO is there for a reason. They make decisions. They are given the customers and they can't choose them. Customers choose the company.
CEO are there to make the final decision based on the ideas from the people who work under him, and as far as those ideas being approved by the majority shareholders.
Many companies actually do choose there customer base, they develop the company to appeal to that customer bases market, take for example Ferrari, they have developed themselves to appeal to a certain type of customer, not just anyone. And there are many other examples of that.
But in the end we basically agree to disagree on this topic, I have to get going I am going sailing for a few days, so you enjoy your weekend Rekrul, hopefully you are going to have beautiful weather were you live. Thank you for your time.
Damn byotch dat aint no friggn moon fool, dat be a friggn space station byotch.
Google it if you don't get it.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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I have to disagree with you here. If you look at WoW's release in 4th quarter 04 when comparing the charts at mmorpgchart.com you will notice that today the total MMOG active subscriber base for the industry has increased around 5 million. WoW has a subscriber base of 5-6 million. I am not saying all of their subscribers are new to the MMOG genre, but if you look at the curve of the graph for "total active subsribers" at the point WoW is released, that curve grows at a much faster rate then ever before.
What I'm saying is WoW did target a diffrent market because if it just targeted the pre-existing market then total activee MMOG subscribers would not have jumped the way it has. So it was not the same market. (Even if people have multiple subscriptions to diffrent MMORPG's it can not explan away that huge of an increase)
BUT--
This has nothing to do with the mismanagement of SWG.
(and I know mmorpgchart.com is not gospel, but I have not seen any other sources that track MMORPG users and the fact that developers treat SirBruce as a credable source gives me some comfort in the accuracy of his numbers.)
--When you resubscribe to SWG, an 18 yearold Stripper finds Jesus, gives up stripping, and moves with a rolex reverend to Hawaii.
--In MMORPG's l007 is the opiate of the masses.
--The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence!
--CCP could cut off an Eve player's fun bits, and that player would say that it was good CCP did that.
Okay, I have to write this to get the image out of my head:
If I had film editing skills, I would take the recent Jim Ward video interview and add an inserted, looping video of Pee Wee Herman yelling:
Salesman!!!!!!!!!!!!!