Improvements needed, but many aspects of Runescape are great

TEDMOLLY0 · August 2006

This game is addictive, but you'll end up avoiding your family and playing all day and night. Call it "Runecrack". There are many problems with the game though. I have played for several years now and I 'm going to quit. Here are the problems: the graphics are so old-school that I call them preschool. Not very immersive at all. Its a top down view at best, as you can't even get a horizontal view that approaches first person. The biggest problem is the level grinding. I like the level grinding in this game, but the established players own Runescape as they've been level grinding for 5 years longer than you. Want to start playing now? It will take you 5 years of 24/7 game play to approach the top players. That is no fun. I am very much looking forward to RS version 3. Then I can get a head start on the level grinding. Hopefully Jagex will have improved the graphics and chat system by then.

Shrimp10 · August 2006

I' will admit the game is addictive.

The graphics are NOT a problem, in fact they are a minor miracle for Java.

You don't need a first person camera to get a good game.

You are completely wrong about the level grinding. Just because someone has been 'grinding' 5 years more than you doesn't mean you have to grind for 5 years trying to catch them up. It depends on the effort you make, you don't need to play 24/7.

RS3 won't be around before 2010, I'll say. Mainly because of 2 reasons: They are still updating the current RS (which is fine), and they can't really improve it in the way you wish them to because they write the game in JAVA, and Jagex stands for JAva Gaming EXperts. Leaving Java now would literally wipe out the whole company.

bobgoogle · August 2006

I never knew what Jagex meant until you just told him very interesting. I think however by the end of next year they will be working on another game whether it be rs3 or otherwise. Also in my best judgement the graphics arent as bad as people portray them to be. If you look at all the mmo's screenshots on this site there is amazing amount that have worst graphics then rs. I understand about them not trying to improve graphics now because they want as many people to play as possible. This does pose a problem however in that they have alot of free players who are young kids. From what I have read in gamer/mmo magazines, mmo's have been having trouble with communities. IM always hearing this or that gaming community is horrible. From my experience rs free play is not a good community. Rs member community is alot better but still need improving. Possibly when they make rs3 they will charge 7.50-10 dollars a month to keep more kids from playing but keep price low enough to keep lots of people playing. Also that one kid was wrong about lvl grinding he stated it would take"5 years 24/7 to catch up." I could not disagree more i have a friend start 2 and a half years ago and hes in the top 100 in high score list name is spynripper.

TEDMOLLY0 · August 2006

Yes, interesting that Jagex's platform is strictly Java. I didn't understand about the poor graphics. MMO companies need to make millions to survive. That means a lot of subscribers. If a game with better graphics comes a long, the lame game will lose subscribers...thats capitalism. Its not all about cost. Heck, go look at Anther World. Its free and stinks!!!! If you look at RS classic and RS2, there is a pattern there. They made a better game in RS2 and phased out the old one. With Moore's law still in affect (IBM recently ran a 500GHz processor) there will be better code written and better graphics in other games. There are a lot of brilliant, educated, out-of-work programmers in India, Eastern Europe and S.E. Asia. They will come up with competition. Jagex has the money and brains to compete, so they will write more and better code, Java or otherwise. They will have better graphics or they will go bankrupt. I can't think of any game 10 years old that everyone is still playing. It was either entirely rewritten and improved or went bust. Look what happened to Jumpgate and Starwars. Yeah, yeah, they still have a handfull of diehard supporters, but not the millions that investors require.

IMHO, the problem with the RS community is the simplicity of the game. Its the same old saying: "why does a dog lick himself where the sun don't shine?....because he CAN." Same goes for RS, why is it full of 8-15 year olds? Because they CAN play. At their age, its the only thing they can do. In other words, it is simple to play, and free. The cost is only part of the factor in my opinion though. If they raised the price, everyone would still call each other "stupid noob". These kids can't play EVE or Anarchy because most kids just can't understand it. That make the community on EVE and AO older (18-65 year olds?), most of which might want to call each other "stupid noob", but don't.

As far as a "2.5 year old top 100 player" goes, I've played for about 2.5 years as well and have reached lvl 113 (126 max). I can tell you unequivocably, that without help from many other people devoted to you, there is no way to develop the "dependent" skills (farming, cooking, etc) to top 100 in 2.5 years even though these skills can be bought. As far as the independent skills go (mining, fishing, combat,), these skills are entirely time limited. As an example, the woodcutting skill alone would take several years to level....it is temporally impossible to increase leveling speed....kinda like EVE, but worse in that you have to be signed on and doing the skill in RS2 (set and forget in EVE). Jagex has planned the game well so that no one can level to the top in 2.5 years.....even with 24/7 play. Each level is exponentially higher than the previous and there are many many tasks that need to be repeated hundreds of thousands of times. Its real easy to say "I have a top 100 account". Talk is cheap....and Top 100 accounts can also be bought on ebay too. Of course you'll say he's your best friend and you know for a fact he leveled the account by himself, so I've just spared you the reply. I encourage anyone who wants to play RS2, and doubts what I say, to go create a free account and just go chop some wood. You'll understand what I say in about 15 minutes. On the other hand, there is no requirement to be top anything. You can enjoy the game at any level, but you're gonna get your ganked if you try to wander around the PvP areas without being a very high level.

Squall15 · August 2006

Originally posted by TEDMOLLY0

Yes, interesting that Jagex's platform is strictly Java. I didn't understand about the poor graphics. MMO companies need to make millions to survive. That means a lot of subscribers. If a game with better graphics comes a long, the lame game will lose subscribers...thats capitalism. Its not all about cost. Heck, go look at Anther World. Its free and stinks!!!! If you look at RS classic and RS2, there is a pattern there. They made a better game in RS2 and phased out the old one. With Moore's law still in affect (IBM recently ran a 500GHz processor) there will be better code written and better graphics in other games. There are a lot of brilliant, educated, out-of-work programmers in India, Eastern Europe and S.E. Asia. They will come up with competition. Jagex has the money and brains to compete, so they will write more and better code, Java or otherwise. They will have better graphics or they will go bankrupt. I can't think of any game 10 years old that everyone is still playing. It was either entirely rewritten and improved or went bust. Look what happened to Jumpgate and Starwars. Yeah, yeah, they still have a handfull of diehard supporters, but not the millions that investors require.
IMHO, the problem with the RS community is the simplicity of the game. Its the same old saying: "why does a dog lick himself where the sun don't shine?....because he CAN." Same goes for RS, why is it full of 8-15 year olds? Because they CAN play. At their age, its the only thing they can do. In other words, it is simple to play, and free. The cost is only part of the factor in my opinion though. If they raised the price, everyone would still call each other "stupid noob". These kids can't play EVE or Anarchy because most kids just can't understand it. That make the community on EVE and AO older (18-65 year olds?), most of which might want to call each other "stupid noob", but don't.
As far as a "2.5 year old top 100 player" goes, I've played for about 2.5 years as well and have reached lvl 113 (126 max). I can tell you unequivocably, that without help from many other people devoted to you, there is no way to develop the "dependent" skills (farming, cooking, etc) to top 100 in 2.5 years even though these skills can be bought. As far as the independent skills go (mining, fishing, combat,), these skills are entirely time limited. As an example, the woodcutting skill alone would take several years to level....it is temporally impossible to increase leveling speed....kinda like EVE, but worse in that you have to be signed on and doing the skill in RS2 (set and forget in EVE). Jagex has planned the game well so that no one can level to the top in 2.5 years.....even with 24/7 play. Each level is exponentially higher than the previous and there are many many tasks that need to be repeated hundreds of thousands of times. Its real easy to say "I have a top 100 account". Talk is cheap....and Top 100 accounts can also be bought on ebay too. Of course you'll say he's your best friend and you know for a fact he leveled the account by himself, so I've just spared you the reply. I encourage anyone who wants to play RS2, and doubts what I say, to go create a free account and just go chop some wood. You'll understand what I say in about 15 minutes. On the other hand, there is no requirement to be top anything. You can enjoy the game at any level, but you're gonna get your ganked if you try to wander around the PvP areas without being a very high level.

Because 8-15 year olds dont under stand it?? Yea ok buddy, u think that lol. Depends on the person really. When my 20 year old brother bought WoW, he didnt understand too much since he was pretty new to MMOs, but im only 13 and understand them fine. Thats just my opinion tho.

TEDMOLLY0 · August 2006

ROFL! You don't even understand how the forums function let alone AO and EVE. Quoting my entire post when its sitting right above your reply? How rediculously redundant can you get? Nice evidence of you "understanding" something (punctuation and spelling is "creative" as well).

WOW isn't much of a demonstration of anything by the way. My 10 year old son has been playing that for years. Back to the issue at hand: you understand the intimate dynamics of AO and EVE? Sure you do, "buddy". Which 200 level character with multiple shadow levels is yours in AO? Which Corp are you CEO of in EVE? Whats the name of your Titan?

bobgoogle · August 2006

I just checked my friend in the forums spynripper. He is currently at rank 215. For the first year and a half I played with him he played roughly 10-12 hours a day lvling up his character. Surprisingly he had 3 other characters he has worked on throughout the years he has played rs. I know I have no proof to the fact that he started roughly 2.5 years ago. I guess all you have to do is trust that im telling the truth. Maybe someday they will insert the option where you can find out when a player started by clicking a certain tab in the highscores list. Now that I think about it he did have one thing going for him. The fact that he could lvl up in new skills,runecrafting,farming,slayer,construction. When these skills came out he made sure to be in the top couple 100 of each of these skills when they came out. I remeber when farming came out he invested a gigantic amount on seeds spending approximately 2mil aday buyig seeds. He leveled to rank 2 in the farming list he now is currenly lvl 17.

Squall15 · August 2006

Originally posted by TEDMOLLY0

ROFL! You don't even understand how the forums function let alone AO and EVE. Quoting my entire post when its sitting right above your reply? How rediculously redundant can you get? Nice evidence of you "understanding" something (punctuation and spelling is "creative" as well).
WOW isn't much of a demonstration of anything by the way. My 10 year old son has been playing that for years. Back to the issue at hand: you understand the intimate dynamics of AO and EVE? Sure you do, "buddy". Which 200 level character with multiple shadow levels is yours in AO? Which Corp are you CEO of in EVE? Whats the name of your Titan?

Yea, u sure act pretty mature for being 44. I dont play AO or EVE so it makes sense that i wouldnt kno. Oh as for the punctuation and spelling, this isnt for School, this a forum, learn your facts my friend.

Shrimp10 · August 2006

Originally posted by Squall15

Originally posted by TEDMOLLY0

ROFL! You don't even understand how the forums function let alone AO and EVE. Quoting my entire post when its sitting right above your reply? How rediculously redundant can you get? Nice evidence of you "understanding" something (punctuation and spelling is "creative" as well).
WOW isn't much of a demonstration of anything by the way. My 10 year old son has been playing that for years. Back to the issue at hand: you understand the intimate dynamics of AO and EVE? Sure you do, "buddy". Which 200 level character with multiple shadow levels is yours in AO? Which Corp are you CEO of in EVE? Whats the name of your Titan?

Yea, u sure act pretty mature for being 44. I dont play AO or EVE so it makes sense that i wouldnt kno. Oh as for the punctuation and spelling, this isnt for School, this a forum, learn your facts my friend.

Lol, you can really talk. You should think about getting your own facts straight as well.

TEDMOLLY0 · August 2006

Squal=talks first and thinks later...or doesn't think at all. What leads you to think I'm not mature (other than that I play these games)....What.....because I "call" your ignorance and request evidence for your words? Or that I note your spelling errors? Ok, so school is the only place that you need to spell correctly. True, if you're gonna flip burgers for the rest of your life. I guess someone has to do it. Might as well be you.

Ok, you want "straight facts"? Here are the facts: go look at what you wrote in your original reply to my post: you clearly implied that you understand the dynamics of AO and EVE, then you say you've never played. Um, and that makes sense to you? It certainly doesn't make sense to anyone else. Do you just like to see your words on the screen? Does that impress you? No wonder you enjoy the complete immersion and isolation of MMORPGs: no accountability for your words or actions. I'll leave you with my favorite quote: "its better to keep your mouth shut, and be thought of as stupid, than to open it and remove all doubt".

Oh, and squal, I like my burgers medium rare please.

To Bobgoggle: I believe your intentions are honest, but I still don't think it's possible unless your friend was handicapped or retired. Doesn't he work, sleep, go to school or get any exercise? (I'm serious) In addition he would have to have an instant and complete understanding of the game with no desire to have any fun. He would then have to play 12 hours per day, 7 days per week for ....yes....maybe....2.5 years. It is possible. Its not healthy or any fun. Gotta ask the reason why? Games are for having fun. One of the limits in RS is that leveling efficiently is really boring and not having any fun. Just read the interview by the #1 player Zezima. I've played with him. He does one skill for weeks at a time. Trust me on this one: boooooooring!!. Again, my favorite example: cut wood all day and see what level you get. Leveling only slows down with time (exponentially I think). I could'nt imagine the hundreds of thousands of logs I'd have to cut to get to level 93 quickly.....yaaawn....zzzzz. (I use the example of woodcutting as I hate that skill). At least in EVE you could level the learning skills for the first 60 days and go surfing the rest of the time as all the skills train. With RS, you gotta be there and kinda paying attention.

Horashio · August 2006

Originally posted by TEDMOLLY0

ROFL! You don't even understand how the forums function let alone AO and EVE. Quoting my entire post when its sitting right above your reply?

I can't tell you how annoying that is. I just don't get why people do that in this forum.

PEOPLE Hit the reply button NOT THE QUOTE BUTTON. Nobody needs to see the same post over and over.

Shrimp10 · August 2006

Originally posted by Horashio

Originally posted by TEDMOLLY0

ROFL! You don't even understand how the forums function let alone AO and EVE. Quoting my entire post when its sitting right above your reply?

I can't tell you how annoying that is. I just don't get why people do that in this forum.

PEOPLE Hit the reply button NOT THE QUOTE BUTTON. Nobody needs to see the same post over and over.

I did it again!

It's people's own choice to quote entire posts, and it happens a lot so there's literally NO NEED to complain about it, because it's not going to change.

bobgoogle · August 2006

I have to admit I enjoyed reading what you had to say, Tedmolly. About the work thing he claimed he got hurt in a work related accident. He was on medical leave for a long time. As for school hes in his 40's. As for exercise I never asked him. He probably is very fat most likely. As for the boring factor he has admitted to getting bored alot. If it weren't for him playing rs and watching tv at the same time I doubt he would be the lvl he is today. I guess for you and me its hard to understand how people can overcome the overwhelming boredom in order to lvl up to the extent of zezima or my friend. I know you understand some because you yourself have lvled up to some high lvls. Im lvl 83 woodcut cant imagine getting to lvl 93. I guess its smart of Jagex to add random events to make lvling more fun. However it doesnt help enough. I guess Jagex has to make lvling more fun in the future.

TEDMOLLY0 · August 2006

To Shrimp: No one is getting on your case for what you did: quoting relevant (and brief) material in your reply, especially when what your quoting is not immediately obvious. What we are laughing at is Squal (and others) who quote massive irrelevant material, especially when its sitting immediately above their reply.

To Bob: This I believe. A forty year old disabled guy sitting at home watching TV could definitely lvl an RS account faster than anyone else. Oh, so you're a woodcutter? Lvl 83 is pretty darned good. Much better than me. Did you know that at lvl 83 that you've only earned about 20% of the xp necessary to reach lvl 99? I was so proud of my lvl 91 mage, until I realized I was barely 30% of the way to 99. Anyone that is lvl 99 all stats is either brain-dead or watches way too much TV. Sorry to "beat a dead horse", but I'm still in love with the way EVE lvls. I just set my "Learning" skill to lvl up, which will take exactly 5 days, 6 hours, 26 minutes, 32 seconds to reach. I can turn my pc on in that amount of time and my leveling will be done. That's good for Eve's subscription fees and good for me. I suppose its bad for those PvP'ers that would like to PWN all of us that don't/can't play 24/7/365.

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