Why does WOW suck so bad

havocthefirs · August 2006

1) AI prevents you from leaving area until you've leveled up, totally linear.

2) PVP without looting has absolutley no point whatsoever.

3) PVP is just plain bad, duels last what, 12 seconds tops.

4) Cant bandage in combat, who needs it when the fights over, I'm already dead.

5) Pots are linked and you can only chug one every coupla minutes, why bother.

6) It's cheaper to die 10 times and repair your armor than drink 1 heal pot.

7) Everything is soulbound so you can't even give stuff away let alone sell it, just plain stupid.

8) No housing, nothing changes, mundane, predictible, boring.

9) Nothing decays, ever, just keep on repairing it, economy is a joke.

10) Movement is painfully slow, not from lag or a poor comp, just six-million-dollar-man slow.

11) Travel, do I really need to see the scenery, just teleport me there, please.

12) Instanced dungeons, might as well be a stand alone game.

13) Character cutomization, was there any?

14) Crafting designed for three year olds, until they get bored that is.

WOW, its not just a job, it's a really boring job.

Drydope · August 2006

Originally posted by havocthefirs

1) AI prevents you from leaving area until you've leveled up, totally linear.

2) PVP without looting has absolutley no point whatsoever.

3) PVP is just plain bad, duels last what, 12 seconds tops.

4) Cant bandage in combat, who needs it when the fights over, I'm already dead.

5) Pots are linked and you can only chug one every coupla minutes, why bother.

6) It's cheaper to die 10 times and repair your armor than drink 1 heal pot.

7) Everything is soulbound so you can't even give stuff away let alone sell it, just plain stupid.

8) No housing, nothing changes, mundane, predictible, boring.

9) Nothing decays, ever, just keep on repairing it, economy is a joke.

10) Movement is painfully slow, not from lag or a poor comp, just six-million-dollar-man slow.

11) Travel, do I really need to see the scenery, just teleport me there, please.

12) Instanced dungeons, might as well be a stand alone game.

13) Character cutomization, was there any?

14) Crafting designed for three year olds, until they get bored that is.

WOW, its not just a job, it's a really boring job.

It's fine, L2P.

On a more serious note:

1. I'm been grinding together with a lvl 47 druid in winterspring, noone forces you to stay in 'the safe' areas.

2. I like pvp to be fun and a distraction, not to get pwnage!!1 loot.

3. Duel and PVP is a totally different thing.

4. Bandage can totally be used in combat when you can CC the other player. And it's also great for grinding.

5. +1k hp can help you win a fight, that's why.

6. No. It's not.

7. Read n°6.

8. Granted, apart from the fevstivals now and then.

9. Yeah, you said that @ n°8.

10. Get a mount.

11. Get a mage.

12. Please play the game before posting crap like this.

13. Small, but yes.

14. It's not the most brilliant system, but it's not crap either.

Bad troll post, play the game before you 'review' it.

Next.

shamall · August 2006

The OP has no clue as to what he is talking about.

Ignor this thread

green13 · August 2006

I don't agree with everything the original poster said, but I think the comment that he has no idea what he is talking about is harsh, and untrue. Some of his statements are pure opinion (eg. point 2) and some are a little silly (eg. point 4) but others are accurate (eg. point 8).

I disagree with the broad-sweeping statement that "WoW sucks so bad". I played for a long time and I played because I enjoyed it. It gets a lot of things right. But it isn't perfect and there aren't any elements of end-game that I enjoy.

A lot of the criticisms are necessary results of the game design, eg. pvp without looting. Ok so a player spends 15 hours a week raiding for a couple of months to get a full set of epic armour, then gets killed by another player in "12 seconds tops" and it's all gone. I don't necessarily disagree with pvp looting, but it has to be balanced against how difficult it is to acquire gear. In WoW it's very difficult so pvp looting would be just plain stupid.

Though I agree with many of your points, particularly 8. I realised after playing WoW for over a year how stale the game was without any inability for players to affect the gameworld. I'm pleased to see several mmos in development that try to address this.

Anima. · August 2006

Originally posted by havocthefirs

1) AI prevents you from leaving area until you've leveled up, totally linear.
Yes the quest system only allows you to lvl in certain areas, maybe more than one area at a time but in general this guy is right, and everyone who has played a char to lvl 60 knows this, you are spoon feed the content, run here, kill that, delivery this there.

2) PVP without looting has absolutley no point whatsoever.Agreed, PvP in WoW holds no meaning, the entire system is built on time spent PvP'ing to gain a reward, which as blizzard like todo is then turn those rewards into trash with the coming expansion, just like all the raiding gear people worked for in the past 18 months.

3) PVP is just plain bad, duels last what, 12 seconds tops.
Yes PvP dones't last long, but I was never a fan of dueling kids outside Ironforge or Orgrimmar, still to this day don't understand the point of it, PvP is also pointless in a BG unless you want to spend your life in there grinding out the points needed for the ranks, REAL PvP never existed in WoW, not even their latest incarnation of it with rebuilt towers in EPL or collecting Dust in Silithus only to boost the PvE raiders in the instances.

4) Cant bandage in combat, who needs it when the fights over, I'm already dead.
I disagree here, you can't bandage if you got a DoT on you, sure, but in combat you most certainly can try and time a CC ability and then use the bandage, it works very well there, and can often swing a battle.

5) Pots are linked and you can only chug one every coupla minutes, why bother.
Yes Pots are linked, but only some of them, Health pots are not linked to say Tuberroots or other such consumables to regain health.

6) It's cheaper to die 10 times and repair your armor than drink 1 heal pot.
Well don't know about you, but I couldn't be arsed to die 10 times to save the little it costed to buy a health pot, besides if you died in PvE then you wasn't up to par with the mobs you was fighting, health pots wasn't a issue while lvling, for raiding yes and hte money gained from raiding never covered repair costs let alone pots, which is why i went with Alchemy/Herb as my tradeskill to make it cheaper.

7) Everything is soulbound so you can't even give stuff away let alone sell it, just plain stupid.
This is true in the most part, but only items you decided to wear, and certain rare items in dungeons, there was many BoE "bind on equip" items in the game and the Auction house was flooded with them, mostly crap though.

8) No housing, nothing changes, mundane, predictible, boring.
No housing, yes this is something Blizzard are really screwing up here, what real MMO player doesn't want their own house, or guild house, to improve and show of their victories to everyone, that was something SWG nailed really well, player housing.

9) Nothing decays, ever, just keep on repairing it, economy is a joke.
Nothing decays? hmm wrong there, everything you wear decays, cept trinkets and rings and the cloaks you wear, all other armor and weapons do decay, and when you enter the end game raiding its very costly to repair all those items after a single raid, you willl soon realise you need to grind out cash from mobs to cover those costs, which IS boring.

10) Movement is painfully slow, not from lag or a poor comp, just six-million-dollar-man slow.
Yes the animations for running are crap, agreed there, and most of the emotes are stupid.

11) Travel, do I really need to see the scenery, just teleport me there, please.
Hehe don't get me started on travel, in WoW even with the game world so small, its painfully slow to move about anywhere unless you are a mage, and even then only to the main cities on your own faction, flying by gryphon is a pain in the arse and at lvl 60 you would think they would come up with something better, the expansion has flying mounts, which may allow people to go where they want at speed, but only in the Outlands which is where the expansion will be played, the normal game world doesn't change, so still slow boring flights everywhere

12) Instanced dungeons, might as well be a stand alone game.
Yes agreed, Instances are really dull, who cares about being able to take the mobs you want and not have people camping spawn spots, who cares about watching over your back for your enemy while trying to kill a mob with your friends, heck I do, that was something that was great about UO, always being alert to whats around you, maybe that's why raiding is so dull and boring, no excitement in the fight due to the mob AI being exactly the same and no thrill of anything else going on.

13) Character cutomization, was there any?
Very limited isn't it, a few faces, hair styles and thats it, no size difference, no shape difference, its plain dull, when you think of games like SWG and EQ2 and what they offer with char customization, well WoW took a back seat on this issue and really messed it up, to many clones walking about here.

14) Crafting designed for three year olds, until they get bored that is.
Crafting in WoW is a joke, there isn't really a good crafting system in the game, most of the Epic items you can craft are BoP and only worth making for yourself IF you are the right class aswell, and I don't see blizzard changing anything about it, having people able to adventure and craft at the same time is stupid, it doesn't create any dependency between players, more decay and better crafting system would work well, SWG pre CU had that, was the best crafting system I've ever seen in a MMO in 7 years of my time with them.

WOW, its not just a job, it's a really boring job.

MY comments in blue.

WoW can be a job yes, I found after playing it for 18 months and only just cancelling my account it turned into a job, I was a raid leader for a successful guild and we did a lot of the raiding, I also did a lot of the PvP but never to gain rank, don't think I ever went past rank 6 due to not enjoying it.

I find Blizzard's direction with WoW to be a poor one, its clear how they feel about the gamers, chaning things with the game and not listening to their players doesn't work, look how SWG went with that approach, Blizzard want this game to be a huge timesink, they are completely ignoring balance issues in the game and each publish they bring out only further makes those problems bigger, and in the expansion they will allow shamans and paladins to be played by both sides, a stupid answer to a balance issue which they couldn't fix.

Blizzard give people the carrot on the stick "no not the reward from ZF instance", what I mean by this is they give us new content in the game, which in truth is exactly the same as what we have done before for nearly 2 years, they offer us new items and rewards, only to have us grind out Reputation, which is the most boring act in any MMO, the art of repeatedly killing the same mobs over and over for weeks on end to gain a item which will be out of date in 3 months.

Not to mention the fact that what everyone has done in the past 18 months means nothing as the lvl cap is increased with the expansion, and all the hard work by all the main guilds in the game will come down to nothing, all the epic items you gained, nothing, all the instances "MC, BWL AQ40" will mean nothing as the items you gained won't be useful once at lvl 70, and let's not forget the great choice of lowering the raiding group size to 25 from 40, thus creating huge problems for the guilds who have been like a family over the past 18 months raiding together, only to say hey, you can't all raid now, so go elsewhere or form a 2nd group in the guild, hey all our teamwork and hardwork means nothing.

While I don't agree with everything the OP said, most of it rings true, and yes I'm bitter over WoW, and I can't wait for another game to come out like WAR and knock it from its top spot, then again by that time WoW might have shot itself in the foot already, no WoW was very good at release, but its turned to shit now.

havocthefirs · August 2006

I made a level 60 shaman when the game 1st came out and thought well maybe its just this char I hate. Then I started to make a rogue, got to level 32 before I could'nt plat anymore it was to painful. Its linear boredom at its best, so I did play for about 5 months.

green13 · August 2006

Originally posted by Anima.

Not to mention the fact that what everyone has done in the past 18 months means nothing as the lvl cap is increased with the expansion...

Gotta admit that was a deciding factor in cancelling my account. The thought of spending 15-20 hours a week raiding for gear which would become outdated almost as soon as the patch was released... *shudder*

Gear acquisition always struck me as a huge timesink. If you have to invest a huge amount of time to get gear you're only going to use for a short time... well that's silly. Guildies always marvelled at how quickly I levelled all my alts - and a large part of that was simply not stuffing around trying to get myself difficult to acquire gear along the way.

Jyhad · August 2006

I personally don't know about the high lvl issues yet, but I can comment on the whole linear thing. Every fantasy based MMO I have played has had that linear progression in it. Everquest 1 & 2, DDO, Guild Wars, FFXI, etc. The possibility of doing a world like Oblivion which is a true open ended quest world is almost impossible in a MMO, unless you take the focus away from lvls and to your personal skill. Guild Wars tried to do that but it still was linear. Soon as a MMO comes out that is real time combat and has no instances will a true world open up. WoW to me is the best fantasy world for me. I like what it has to offer, and how I rate a MMO is if I will suffer through the grind of it and still have fun well it’s for me.

western · August 2006

Question:why go to a World Of Warcraft Board just to say you dont like the game...if u hate it there are throusands of other games out there...no one goes to boards to hear people complaining about the game

Thrift · August 2006

Go away do you need to come to the WoW fourms to bash the people who enjoy playing it to make you feel better about the game your playing now because your having second thoughts about buying it.

Trubaduren · August 2006

This game sucks, and Drydope who posted second, God you are retarded.

This post is so true, this game sucks.

Dabble · August 2006

Well......

The fact that the OP got so many of his points just plain wrong (not being able to bandage during combat?) makes me think that he has never played or has played too little to really know the game enough to hate it.

And believe me, it take A LOT of time to figure out how much you hate this game

Trubaduren · August 2006

Only rouges can badnage during combat, im not sure who ellse can, mage i guess but i dunno.

Anyway, 1-60 grinde grinde grinde, Instances get boring, pvp lasts 5 sec, bg same same same same.

Its just doing the same thing over and over again,

This game is eq based, AND THATS LOL..soon it will be tier 18 epic. THIS GAME IS DOOMED TO FAIL.

Drydope · August 2006

Originally posted by Trubaduren

This game sucks, and Drydope who posted second, God you are retarded.

This post is so true, this game sucks.

How can I put this in a way that you will understand...

Screw you and die.

I hope I was clear enough.

green13 · August 2006

Originally posted by Trubaduren

Only rouges can badnage during combat, im not sure who ellse can, mage i guess but i dunno.

Having played a warlock, priest and druid to 60, and several other classes to 40+, I'm puzzled by this comment. Why do you say only rogues and mages can bandage during combat? I never noticed that I couldn't do it.

KillerJimmy · August 2006

I love the first reply to this post, as if WoW wasn't bad enough, it had a very, um, special "community". So many of them could spout: "it's fine L2P!!!!!111one" 10,000 times and still tihnk it was funny or clever. What are the other ones...oh yes: ORLY!?!??!

Gawd, the worst thing is I know there will now be carry over of this nonsense to every other multi-player game in the future.

Drydope · August 2006

Originally posted by KillerJimmy

I love the first reply to this post, as if WoW wasn't bad enough, it had a very, um, special "community". So many of them could spout: "it's fine L2P!!!!!111one" 10,000 times and still tihnk it was funny or clever. What are the other ones...oh yes: ORLY!?!??!
Gawd, the worst thing is I know there will now be carry over of this nonsense to every other multi-player game in the future.

Are you blind?
How about you read the line directly below it.

Horashio · August 2006

The moment I read "totally linear" I realized this post was garbage.

HiHoEskimo · August 2006

Originally posted by havocthefirs

1) AI prevents you from leaving area until you've leveled up, totally linear.
False, many area s to go at different levels
2) PVP without looting has absolutley no point whatsoever.
I disagree, For me PvP isd about competing with real players not stealing their stuff.
3) PVP is just plain bad, duels last what, 12 seconds tops.
Disagree, Dueling is a very small part of PvP in WoW and it regularly lasts longer.
4) Cant bandage in combat, who needs it when the fights over, I'm already dead.
Use healing potions
5) Pots are linked and you can only chug one every coupla minutes, why bother.
You wany infiniate HPs?????
6) It's cheaper to die 10 times and repair your armor than drink 1 heal pot.
Yes, nut a wast of time, exp an loot.
7) Everything is soulbound so you can't even give stuff away let alone sell it, just plain stupid.
Do you even play the game? No it is not. Kinda like "you can't solo in EQ2" huh?
8) No housing, nothing changes, mundane, predictible, boring.
Housing would be nice, I disagree with everything else
9) Nothing decays, ever, just keep on repairing it, economy is a joke.
Only if you use real money to buy in game gold. I've never had more than 300 gold.
10) Movement is painfully slow, not from lag or a poor comp, just six-million-dollar-man slow.
I Disagree
11) Travel, do I really need to see the scenery, just teleport me there, please.
I enjoy the scenery, I do wish it was not so cartoonish.
12) Instanced dungeons, might as well be a stand alone game.
Makes it more realistic and stops camping, a real problem in other games
13) Character cutomization, was there any?
Agree but not overly impress with any game and charater cutomiztion
14) Crafting designed for three year olds, until they get bored that is.
I think crafting cost more money than it's worth.
WOW, its not just a job, it's a really boring job.
You get paid to play?? Let me in on that deal!

I also play guild wars and EQ2 and enjoy both games. I hope you enjoy which ever game you choose to play.

Plasuma!!! · August 2006

Originally posted by havocthefirs

1) AI prevents you from leaving area until you've leveled up, totally linear.
I wouldn't say it's the AI that does this, but rather the linear levelling areas. Yes, I agree, this restricts freedom thus making the game less desireable.
2) PVP without looting has absolutley no point whatsoever.
The way WoW's economy is set up, you could never recover from losing your gear in a PvP match. The loot is too difficult to come by and takes a very long time to accumulate or complete a set.
3) PVP is just plain bad, duels last what, 12 seconds tops.
I've seen "Healadin fights" last for a long time... hours even. The PVP is linear and boring, in my opinion. Your class has a disadvantage vs. another and if that class happens to pick a fight with you, you're dead. If someone bought gold online or invested more time in the game and has better gear, you're dead, regardless of your skill as a player.
4) Cant bandage in combat, who needs it when the fights over, I'm already dead.
I could bandage "in combat" with any class at any time, but if I got hit I'd stop. Rogues do it all the time after they blind someone.
5) Pots are linked and you can only chug one every coupla minutes, why bother.
This invokes a strategy. Which potion do you use? Mana or Health? Also, if someone has more gold than you, they just use rejuvination pots, which further reduces the point of PvP combat.
6) It's cheaper to die 10 times and repair your armor than drink 1 heal pot.
True.
7) Everything is soulbound so you can't even give stuff away let alone sell it, just plain stupid.
This is how the economy works. It's rudimentary and annoying, making only the loot good and anything player-made entirely useless unless it involves a rare loot item. In SWG, their economy turned from good to crap due to this system.
8) No housing, nothing changes, mundane, predictible, boring.
WoW has a small world, too small to really "explore" or let alone allow players to influence in any way.
9) Nothing decays, ever, just keep on repairing it, economy is a joke.
Same reason as given for #7. If the loot degraded or the economy became more complex in any way, the economy would surpass the intelligence of the target player base.
10) Movement is painfully slow, not from lag or a poor comp, just six-million-dollar-man slow.
True. This makes the world seem larger so you won't complain about that.
11) Travel, do I really need to see the scenery, just teleport me there, please.
This is a time sink so people can't immediately assist in PvP if there's a problem clear accross the snowglobe... er... world. Also, it's supposed to make the game more immersive.
12) Instanced dungeons, might as well be a stand alone game.
As someone said before, it's an MSPORPG (Massively Single Player Online RPG) where you can ignore the entire community until you get to the end-game dungeons, where you get along with a bunch of idiots until you get the gear you want from the instances, showboat in the opposing faction's newb area, and quit the game out of boredom.
13) Character cutomization, was there any?
You choose a head, hair style, hair color, and skin color (as to avoid racism). After that, it's all up to your equipment... which is never really unique anyway, no matter what level you are.
14) Crafting designed for three year olds, until they get bored that is.
The target player base, as mentioned before, finds peace in this simplistic redundancy.
WOW, its not just a job, it's a really boring job.
I would hardly consider it anything else. You work really hard to get up to the top (unless you hack, buy gold, or twink) and then you retire when you've had enough of the same crap.

hertin · August 2006

Amazes me that people are not totally bored of this game yet.Sure its a good game for a couple of months but it gets boring so fast .Guess the loyality to blizzard is without bounds so much so people try to convince themselves that doing the same thing night after night is fun.

zollen · August 2006

I think people have a tendency to make out-of-proportion comments to make their points heard. The sad part is that others who read their comments, did not fliter out what irrelevant from what relevant.

nomadian · August 2006

what annoys me most is WoW's stance on twinks, they do nothing about the silly enchants and just let it go on. A new player is trying to learn how to play their class in pvp and they get killed in 2 hits. How do they get to learn their class? Ridiculous.

Homieslice · September 2006

they should make a server thats pure pvp in this game. You get all the skills in the game from the start and the best armor and its an all out war against the horde and the Alliance.Everybody has the same armor and skills. So its up to the experience,cunning, and talent to pwn. Also they should make pvping with loot

LordSlater · September 2006

Originally posted by Homieslice
they should make a server thats pure pvp in this game. You get all the skills in the game from the start and the best armor and its an all out war against the horde and the Alliance.Everybody has the same armor and skills. So its up to the experience,cunning, and talent to pwn. Also they should make pvping with loot

Err yea i can just imagine it everyone lines up then runs to there opponent bashing away resparning then running to the battle to bash away while the 'commanders' are shouting on the channels and everyone is largly ignoring them.

Or it could be like a chip way on RF online where the tactics involve following your leader all day and giving him all the best loot etc.

splinecl · September 2006

Jesus havocthefirs, did you just play for a couple of hours, or did you just suck at it

lol. Almost all of your points show a complete lack of...well everything. I won't go over all of your points, the others have covered it pretty good.

This post is actually so bad I'm sure you made it just to get alot of responses, I'm sure nobody is that stupid.

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