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The Players Speak: The Sad State of the Game & the Senate
MX13
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Psychopyro80 wrote:
A few months ago I asked what people would like from CU?Pre CU to return to the game. As promised, I was keeping an eye on that list. I am putting the list in this post and what has become so far.....
Psychopyro80 wrote:
OK, here is the list so far (in no decernable order). I try to give Yes/No from what I know, but will give explination best I can.
1) Smugglers Being able to slice.
Still waiting on this one here.......
Waiting For Smuggler Expertice to see what comes of it....
2) Something to work toward, Or ability to Re-work toward
I am assuming the direction they are going here is the GCW.
I changed this one a bit, seemed that just the "end game" is really not enough in this department
Expertice is kinda along these lines, still does not seem much more then the PvP GCW to work toward. Hopefully this can become a little more clearer in time..
3) Creature Handler.
While they have said that creature handler is not coming back, JT stated in LA that there are some cool skills that they may bring back from CH.
Still waiting on this. Still getting the same answers, but.....
Still being told no on the return of CH, still getting mixed signals on possible type skills though.
4) Mind and Force Bars.
I am still hoping on this one too....
Don't look like this will happen
5) Character Diversity.
I imagine that the differentation system will help on this point, it is not the same as it was before.
Still have not seen anything on this system yet, though I am guessing it will not be on the same level we want. However one can hope.
While the expertice does touch on this, it is not the same depth that I think alot of people wanted, but there is some difference. Progress Made!
6) Camping
Well, they did ask what we liked about it.
Nothing since the last discussion.
7) Spices.
Was said in LA they are looking at ways to bring this back, but Smugglers would not be crafting them.
Still waiting. Guess those schematics I have are still worth some money (if I could find the resources)
Still Waiting
8) Crafting being useful.
We've all heard what they have said about this so far.
Same ol same ol.... I still think it is too dumed down, at least for me.
Looks like some of the Crafter Revamp has some good and bad things. It should become much more useful though.
9) Social Importance.
Still none really. I would put this out of the "grouping" context. Social does not mean "forced to group"
Again this is kinda up in the air, I think the social aspect should be paid more attention to. Interaction is important.
10) Species Bonuses.
Yea.....
Not sure on this still, something needs to be done.
11) Real Melee Class
Jedi doesn't count. Though with Chapter 1, my Spy makes a pretty good melee'r
Still Waiting, bugs are abundant with the classes that are supposed to be melee because specials do not work with melee weapons.
12) Jedi not given away.
This will not be changing, most people want a Jedi.
Same as before
13) Creature Harvesting.
I have to agree with this, random loot blows!
Did I mention this: "I have to agree with this, random loot blows!"
We are still pushing this in the Senate hopefully something will come soon.
14) Functional UI.
I think it got worse. There were some good changes, but it still seems cumbersome.
Changes are being discussed about resizeable radar, 2nd tool bar, and such. Progress is being made here.
15) Animations
It was also said in LA they were working on these.
Still working on them, though I know they are there cause my spy has some nice melee ones
This is still a work in progress....
16) Turn Based Combat
The current combat system will not be changing, at least that is what they are saying.
Same as before
17) Complexity
It is a little better with Chapter 1, though I feel it is still not what is being looked for
While expertice has added some complexity, not as much as some would like. Progress has been made to a point though.
18) Ability to grind as opposed to Questing.
Work in progress. I hear it can be done better now though.
Yea, well. Um not really. Looks like it will stay the way it is.
19) No Levels, Removal of level Number
Levels have always been there in one form or another, but this is probably not going to change.
Added so that maybe go back to hiding the level number.
20) GCW Bases
Guessing this will return with the GCW Changes.
Yea.....
Still not sure about this, we hear conflicting reports. Yes, no, maybe... Who knows.
21) Interdependency
With the differentation system, this should happen.
Well, we have grouping to a point. Really need to look at this for other things.
Things are being added. Cloning Sickness (mind you not great) and the crafting revamp looks like it could help. Progress is slowly being made.
22) Ground Target Lock
You would still have to aim, but this would probably come along for combat lock along with the collision detection.
Well we got it, just not in the way it was being looked for.
Still kinda buggy, but it's there and it works. Progress Made
23) Holo Grinding (someone actually said they liked this)
I still can't believe someone said this!
I still can't believe someone said this........
24) Battle Fatigue/Wounds
>Cloning Sickness
Looks like cloning sickness is as far as we are getting with this. Minor Progress
25) Med Centers having a use
Besides Cybernetics
Still waiting.
26) 20 people groups
They said it won't in it's old form, but the raid system should help in certian situations.
Nothing New Here
Still nothing new, not even a whisper...
27) CAs and AAs
Hopefully with the Trader Chapter RE system
Crafter Revamp looks to bring some of this back, discussion was brought up about some of the CAs being dropped (rare ones) Progress Made
28) MEDITATE!
Come on already. We love this. Especially for RP. Maybe make it like added regen bonus instead of sitting.
Still Waiting...
29) Increase AI
Well, they use specials now, but it still is not as good as it could be
AI Seems to be getting much better. Pathing issues/specials. Still a few problems, but progress is being made here
30) Remove Caps on Crafted Items
Doubt this will happen, that started this whole cycle.
Same as before
31) Weapon do the damage, not player level
We can mark this off, it's all about the weapon now. Level is meaningless for attack for the most part.
Damage is being based on weapons/stats instead of level DONE
32) Not Loot Based
Err... Yea
Looks like loot will still be important. Crafter Revamp should make Crafted>Looted. Looks like progress made
33) Unzoning Planets for levels.
Err.. Probably not considering quests and such
34) Ability to group with anyone, reguardless of level
You can, not sure how it works now exactly... Is it still useless?
35) Buff System
Still a no on this I assume.....
36) Slower Combat
Combat has been slowed with chapter 1....
Progress Made
37) Get rid of JUNK LOOT. Give credits instead.
We wish....
38) Reason to group
Errr..... For some classes at some places.
Well for some missions, again grouping should not be required for everything though. I assume another AI pass will be made in the future after expertice is done.
39) FRS
Will not Happen.
Same as before
Looks like the GCW may get a form of this (wiith the leaked info)
40) States (Dizzy, Stunned, etc.)
We got Acid, Clod, Heat, and Electrical effects... Kinda like states I guess
41) Posture Change
Came with Chapter 1
Progress made here
42) Innate Armor
Yea.....
Still waiting
43) Stackable Foods
Yea.....
Still waiting
44) BE Clothing
Yea.....
Still waiting
45) The Village Quests
Yea.....
We have been told no...but who knows
46) Decay
Yea.....
This is a big hot ugly debate.... Looks like it could be coming back in some form.
47) TEF
PvP Will NOT be forced, so I seriously doubt this will happen
Same as before
48) MoB and NPCs using specials
This should be handled by the AI revamp
Came with Chapter 1
Done
49) Droids being useful
Yea.....
Still waiting
50) Armor Certs
No certs now, I think this went backwards
51) All the missing professions
Yea.....
Probably not gonna happen
52) Resists on Enemies we can see.
Yea.....
It would really be nice to see these.
53) Forage
Yea.....
Still waiting
54) Traveling, make it mean something as opposed to "Cloner Express" or "Lava Dip"
Yea.....
Looks like if decay comes back this could happen, but the ITVs made it a non-issue again.
55) Two Rows of Hotkeys.
Yea..... Supposed to be coming Soon™
Still in development
56) Faction Pets
I assume this is coming with the GCW stuff.
Yea.....
Still waiting
57) Remove the words "Starwars-y" and "Iconic"
It Hurts!!
They don't use them as much, but I stll see those "words"
58) Crafted health Stims
Yea.....
Still waiting
59) Combat Queue
Yea.....
Gonna be a no there I am pretty sure
60) /sing
Yea.....
Still waiting
61) Combat Log
Yea.....
They said they wanna bring this back, no word lately.
62) Faster Ability to Level
I think it got slower....
Still waiting on this, the quests do make it go pretty fast if you have an ITV< but otherwise it is still slow.
As you can see, some progress on these issues have been made, some are no's and some are still up in the air. Keep the discussion alive.
I only have two comments about this post:
- Wasn't he the Coor that "Leaked" the announcement of the NGE and LOVED it?
- If this is what the players want, what's the point of the NGE?
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
Comments
There is not a single "improvement" listed here. All this is stuff that was removed over night.
Pathetic really. If it all came back today, then it would mean the game made 0 progress during what is now, what?, 8,9 months?
And then there's bugs, still all unresolved, with more being added with each publish.
Heh. Looks like we saw the same post at the same time, MX13
The Senate is as useful to the SWG playerbase as a bicycle is to a fish.
Even less than that.
They are a pure negative. They are 100% COUNTER productive because they don't represent the average player at all, yet their voices are heard above them, thus causing SOE to make even more mistakes.
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
I just re-read all the wants, broke crap and list.
Not to mention finding out that the senate does not at all represent the people (As we thought at first) -- they are merely voices of the Devs more or less or yellow named fanbois with posting rights.
I do think that at one time, some of them had nads, I really do. All jokes aside.. I think they have confused themselves with the "Better game pie in the sky" concept.
I just have to think that some of them know what was worse, what was better and what time was wasted in the goal to gain that magic player base.
______________________________
I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
what the players want is simple really, a few servers running pre-cu. just give us 5 or 6 pre-cu servers and everyone's happy... for a little while at least. SOE drove me to WoW and I'm having fun there, so I canceled my SWG sub. GG SOE!
I just re-read all the wants, broke crap and list.
Not to mention finding out that the senate does not at all represent the people (As we thought at first) -- they are merely voices of the Devs more or less or yellow named fanbois with posting rights.
I do think that at one time, some of them had nads, I really do. All jokes aside.. I think they have confused themselves with the "Better game pie in the sky" concept.
I just have to think that some of them know what was worse, what was better and what time was wasted in the goal to gain that magic player base.
The ones with any nads quit.
What you have left are ass kissers to such an extreme their lips are brown.
Which FF Character Are You?
SWG ADDICT...clean since the NGE
I guess I will just never understand SoE's management or thought process with repect to this game.
If they actually did everything on that list, it would take them about 2 years (given the rate it takes them to do things) and all of those "improvements" would pretty much get then right back to where they were three years prior before implimenting the NGE!
I just don't understand why they would keep what they have and gradually convert it back to what it was.
Seems to me it would be a lot easier to just revert back to the CU and fix it, then start with a broken NGE and revert back to a scaled down version of the CU.
Concept for SWG 2
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/90081
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
______________________________
I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
I've been there with you trust me.
Concept for SWG 2
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/90081
A fine example of how the arrogant and condescending Senators treat the peasants on the forums:
Bloodfincat wrote:
I did answer his question.
He specifically asked how many posts he needed to get before he could post elsewhere.
Then I pointed him toward more detailed information that exists specifically for that purpose.
You need to lighten up.
That sort of response directed at a Senator or Wepps, MsNil or any of the rest of the brown nose brigade would have resulted in ban.
Senators can troll the noob forum or any other and misbehave with impunity.
BTW, that is the Senator that recently in a "Weekly crumbs from our circular yank" report who lamented that people were allowed to dissent at all on the forums.
I honestly can't pick the worst one, all the vocal ones anyway seem to be cut from the same cloth. I wonder what they will do with their pathetic lives when SWG is canceled and shut down in the next few months?
All I can say is when that bunch eventually joins the duck servers that survive, they had better not reference their collaboration as the Vichy SWG "Senate" or they are guaranteed to be outcasts.
See Vichy France Article on Wikipedia for the historical reference
QFE
Anyone ever have one of those aha! moments, where they realize that this game is run like a beta (or maybe even an alpha!), yet its here 3 years after release? It just hit me, about how sad this is, that this game is still being developed at this stage, and is still only a fraction of what they want it to be.
Imagine another game, any game, that was run like this. No one would play, or at least no one would pay to play. I guess this speaks to power of the name Star Wars, even when on an inferior product.
QFE
Anyone ever have one of those aha! moments, where they realize that this game is run like a beta (or maybe even an alpha!), yet its here 3 years after release? It just hit me, about how sad this is, that this game is still being developed at this stage, and is still only a fraction of what they want it to be.
Imagine another game, any game, that was run like this. No one would play, or at least no one would pay to play. I guess this speaks to power of the name Star Wars, even when on an inferior product.
Exactly correct. Had SWG been any other MMO, it wouldn't have had 20 subscribers left after the NGE.
I will go out on a limb here as the admins of MMPORG know that I mean what I say with no disrespect to them at all "F the Senators" --
I say this with the upmost meaning actually. They misslead us, I did think they were speaking for us.. not against us.
I found out I was wrong as many of us were.
They do NOT represent our thoughts, they never have.
But hey thats ok, they needed somthing to do with what was left of the Corrs and this is what you got.
I am glad the game has just done so well since they have been in place, I mean with all that success you can tell it made a difference.
______________________________
I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Sorry... WOW sucks. No way would I go to that game. Tried a trial and tried retail on a friends account. How ANYONE who was a fan of Pre-CU can enjoy WoW is completely mind blowing to me.
I went to EVE.
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As of two days ago I have canceled both of my accounts, and they expire on April 5, and 7 respectively.
was an agonizing decision, but one should not stay in a game one no
longer enjoys. I could go on and on for the reasons why, but I'd like
to leave on a positive note.
Bounty Hunter Correspondant 2003 - 2005
Master Bounty Hunter
Dark Jedi (Pre-Pub 9)
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
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