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Talking bad about Perpetual Entertainment will get you banned from MMORPG?
CuChulainn2
Member Posts: 1
Dear forum reader. If you're reading this, you might first want to copy the text and paste it into notepad first. These posts seem to disappear very, very quickly, which tends to add to their validity.
Questions about how PE could get to a member posting on MMORPG.com have arisen recently, to which MMORPG responds with a threat to ban the person for reasons of violating an NDA.
Hmmm, now, could the fact that I've seen a big 'ol whopping ad for G&H on MMORPG about the same time be related to their sudden pro-PE stance, or is it just a coincidence.
Very, very doubtful.
Here's the facts:
Neither I (the original poster of the thread you keep deleting), nor the person you threatened to ban when they tried for a 3rd time to "unhide" it, have said anything in those posts that was not true.
Also, you may note, MMORPG, that neither of us have signed any kind of NDA, with you or with PE, nor are we involved in any legally binding agreement whatsoever with that company. Your reasoning for "editing" (we call it hiding) such posts is therefore not only flawed, but just plain inaccurate.
So, what's the real reason you keep "editing" these threads? Might it be because it has become in the best interest of someone at MMORPG to do so?
Is there another reason? If so, by all means, please elaborate.
And before you click the "edit" button on this one, make sure you have a valid, supportable reason, as I have made certain that nothing in this post breaks any of your rules for posting or discloses any information otherwise protected in any relevant NDA.
PS. Dink - I feel obligated to make sure other forum members know that you have a relationship with PE that would basically prevent you from posting a truly objective view. If you happen to post a (likely opposing) view, I want the readers to know where it comes from.
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rofl, you couldnt find any REAL problem with P.E so you made one up huh. And it wasnt enough to go after P.E you went after mmorpg too? lame i tellya, just lame. Your posts should be discarded.
Locked, banned, window broken and kitten stolen!
Lath
As I spoke with Dekron they know now that I have never been involved with Core Testing or the such and there for am NOT under any NDA. I do not see these posts being deleted again as there is no legal reason for them to be. Yes I am sure PE would love to know how the information was leaked but as that is not my problem there is no legal reason that I can not report my findings to the community, if I was under an NDA that would be different story. PE has completely gone against the statement they made as to how they would select testers.
We have been told time and again that if you are a memeber of the forums you have a chance and that quality of your services would be taken into account. I have seen many who have devoted their time and effort to spreading the word of GnH and helping to keep the focus of those already waiting. There are many of those that have been snubbed. Some may ask what the big deal of who got into core testing and who didnt is but let me ask you this. If you put alot of time and effort into promoting a game that isnt even on the market yet and were passed over for people who have done much less than you because they are buddy buddy with someone who works for the company wouldnt you be a bit stung? Core testers who stick through till release of the game on the market will be receiving many bonus's such as a free copy of the game, a year's subscription as well as other perks to be named at a later date. Now do you see why it matters? To me a company that snubbs those who do hard work for them, who give them their time, their effort, for those who are buddy buddy, well they deserve no respect.
I feel the GnH community has a right to know these details. And since there are many in Core Testing already and have signed an NDA and can not speak for fear of legal recorse, I feel that it is my duty to speak for them. Let PE try to come down on me, there is nothing Legally that they can do as i have already explained to MMORPG, PE has no hold over what information I pass on to you the community.
Lathial, bugz.... You'd never be able to run a successful forum with that attitude. We all have our own opinions. Just because you don't like someone elses, doesn't mean that they should be squashed. Luckily, MMORPG doesn't believe that either.
Remember, this is a forum. and half of this one is titled "discussion". Go figure.
It was a joke- i guess you didnt get it- or you need to re-read you own post. Didnt you think it would get deleted...
also, since when does my opinion not count as a part of the discussion?
Lath
No dude what it boils down to, is someone got thier feelings hurt because a company didnt choose that person for core testing and that person with his feelings hurt then decides to start bashing out of revenge and thats complete bs and shows a very high level of immaturity that honestly isnt welcome to any forum.
Lemme tellya somethin else, I guaruntee I would NEVER run a forum cause i wouldnt put up with spreading spin and company bashing when that company has done nothing to deserve it. I think everyone else seems to get that except you and or this guy, noone disrespected or cheapshotted the Op,not one person from P.E, yet he chose to come on another site and trashtalk to make them look bad.
You said I didnt like someones opinion? Yet your post shows the same, and I stand by my comments those type posts shouldnt be tolerated and should be discarded even mine if they get that idiotic. But eh go figure.
If I was making ridculous claims of favoritism like the op here, I'd have stopped and thought first of the fact that maybe close personal friends and family would indeed test said product because they can TRUST those people first and foremost to do so without this type of behavior showing up on another site or down the block.
If you cannot understand that then try making something of your own that takes 10-12-14 hour work days first and come tell me who YOU would let try that product out first, people you dont know... or close friends and family who sit up waiting for you to get home. My moneys on friends and family bud. They wouldnt go trash talking me because they werent first in line like someone we know.
You need to grow up. No one feels stung because they're not in early beta testing. If someone wants to be in testing they'll get a fileplanet account and expect a slot in the near future. Everyone that's following the game knows about the forum members in to beta testing bit, but I can honestly say I feel no pain about one of the friends or family members of a PE employee getting in before someone who has put their heart in to fanboi'n for the game.
The G&H community has a right to know that you're childish and immature, and it seems like you suffer from youngest child syndrome. They owe you nothing until you've paid for the game, signed an agreement, and are expecting services. Anything before that you did for your own reasons, sorry if it didn't pan out for you.
so...
because a company didnt choose that person for core testing and that
person <blah blah blah>...
1) You're implying that core testing is happening, which is leaking priviledged information. I'm pretty sure your post will be the one edited now, providing these guys have any sense of fairness - mine was for the same reason.
2) At the time of my first complaint, I was (as told by a few key folks) fairly high up on the "likely to get chosen" for beta. I knew this, yet chose to post anyway, knowing that it could severely hurt my chances at being selected. (Some of the same key people mentioned above know who I am on the G&H forums)
Those are really the only two sentences you said that weren't just grandstanding, so I'm done here.
Since you're not one of the core testers how do you know so much about
PE and what they're doing? Just curious, because I was under the
impression there were about 40 - 50 people in the program. So let's
see, you're mad because PE picked 40 - 50 people, some from the
community, some from outside sources aaaaaand what's the problem again?
Oh, would it be that you didn't get picked?
So let me get this right. PE claims that they're going to select people from the forums for testing.
Hmm, sounds like they've done that to me.
You signed a contract when you began participating in their forums that
stated you'd be included in all phases and forms of testing or you'd be
pissed off.
Che... Oh wait, you didn't.
Know why?
Cuz I didn't see it in their sign-up rules.
Know why?
Cuz it's not there.
So I'm having a hard time finding a problem here. In fact, the only
problem I can see is that there are a couple of people here who are
pissed off they didn't get picked. They have no facts, only rumor and
they're pissing buckets here.
Like, wtf kids?
Here's a clue, you ready?
You're not PAYING FOR THIS GAME.
YOU DON'T OWN THIS GAME.
YOU ARE NOT MAKING THIS GAME.
YOU ARE THEIR GUESTS ON THEIR PRIVATE SERVERS.
Quit your crying.
AND you totally got my posts - I've been trying to get in beta, AND I've been saying PE shouldn't keep their first phase of testing secret....?!?!
Hopefully, you didn't even read my post, because if you did, well, you've got real problems.
Love the original STFU line, btw.
impression there were about 40 - 50 people in the program
And for the record, your "impression" is wrong (gasp! Imagine that). First, it's not "were". It's not even started, and selection hasn't even finish. Second, well, I can't say.
Ok, technically you didn't say banned, you said...
Your posts should be discarded.
You also said..
And its about damn time your done here,
So, no, you didn't say "ban", but it
amounts to the same thing.
BUT, I've got news for you, and you might want to sit down for this one - it's
gonna be hard on you...
Other people are entitled to their own opinions.
So, with all due respect, I'll not go away just because you want me to.
You're free to ignore my opinion, or learn from it, or heck, even grand stand
some more by responding to it. I, unlike you, recognize you as being
entitled to your own opionion like everyone else. I just don't value
it like you think I should. Sorry.
I'd like for you to grow up and stop trashin P.E over petty things like beta selections
Once again, don't be offended if I don't do what
you're asking here. It's a hard pill to swallow, but the world just works
that way.
Now, since continuing arguing with you would only allow you to successfully
hijack this thread, which was likely your goal in the first place, I
won't. I do want you to notice how I was able to make an entire post without
name calling. Neat, isn't it?
Any remaining posts I make will be on-topic with my OP.
Side note: It's "YOU'RE done here.” not "your done
here". You meant to use the contraction for "you
are". Simple mistake - Wikipedia or some basic schooling should
clear that right up.
PS. Read apocalance's post - THAT's how you argue a point. Kudos to
you, apocalance. Very well stated.
faceass mofo
It's all good tho man, those people will will gradually find out who you are. I think I have a pretty good idea myself. There are only 2 or 3 people there with your crappyass attitude and noone there seems to like those people much either. Later hater
You aren't being targetted or anything dumbie.
MMORPG's rules state that you can't post information protected under NDA on the site. Whether or not your information is truth or bullcrap, MMORPG doesn't care. Either you are breaking NDA directly or you are spreading information from someone who broke NDA, or you are spreading lies.
Any of those things are clearly messed up dude, and you totally should be banned.
Seems I have to pop in now and clear things up.
First of all, it is most certainly against our rules to post information which is covered under an NDA. Such information is not legal, no matter the source. Whether you have first hand knowledge, or whether you're getting your information from another source, it is STILL protected by NDA and is not allowed to be posted on these forums. It is in MMORPG.com's best interest to keep illegally obtained information off of our forums.
Take this as an example: You buy a watch from a guy on the street. That watch is stolen. The police catch you. They do not allow you to keep the watch, and may charge you with holding stolen property.
Yes, I am aware that the situations are different, but the point is the same.
As to the fact that Gods and Heroes advertise on our site, I have said in the past and will say again that absolutely no content is influenced by whether or not a company advertises with us. That applies to our features, our news and our forums. Each game, each company, is treated the same way. In the case of NDAs, it is against our policy to break them at all, no matter what the game.
I will also remind you, since you have decided to make this a public matter, that creating multiple accounts is against our RoC. Please review them.
In the future, if you have a problem with the way that this site is moderated, it is far more effective to contact me directly at stradden@mmorpg.com I am happy to respond to complaints and constructive criticism.
Cheers,
Jon "Stradden" Wood, Community Manager
Cheers,
Jon Wood
Managing Editor
MMORPG.com
LOL Cry some more dude. Maybe PE will drown in teh river of your tears and be forced to pay for the crimes they perpetrated against you.
Or more seriously, take a deep breath and go out more.
Dear forum reader. If you're reading this, you might first want to copy the text and paste it into notepad first. These posts seem to disappear very, very quickly, which tends to add to their validity.
Questions about how PE could get to a member posting on MMORPG.com have arisen recently, to which MMORPG responds with a threat to ban the person for reasons of violating an NDA.
Hmmm, now, could the fact that I've seen a big 'ol whopping ad for G&H on MMORPG about the same time be related to their sudden pro-PE stance, or is it just a coincidence.
Very, very doubtful.
Here's the facts:
Neither I (the original poster of the thread you keep deleting), nor the person you threatened to ban when they tried for a 3rd time to "unhide" it, have said anything in those posts that was not true.
Also, you may note, MMORPG, that neither of us have signed any kind of NDA, with you or with PE, nor are we involved in any legally binding agreement whatsoever with that company. Your reasoning for "editing" (we call it hiding) such posts is therefore not only flawed, but just plain inaccurate.
So, what's the real reason you keep "editing" these threads? Might it be because it has become in the best interest of someone at MMORPG to do so?
Is there another reason? If so, by all means, please elaborate.
And before you click the "edit" button on this one, make sure you have a valid, supportable reason, as I have made certain that nothing in this post breaks any of your rules for posting or discloses any information otherwise protected in any relevant NDA.
PS. Dink - I feel obligated to make sure other forum members know that you have a relationship with PE that would basically prevent you from posting a truly objective view. If you happen to post a (likely opposing) view, I want the readers to know where it comes from.
Well this will probably be my last post only because I was recently given a warning from MMORPG.com for one of my threads and I could'nt figure out why. I wrote them back asking them an explaination, I sent a copy of the thread asking what was found offensive? Which of course I did'nt really expect a reply and never got one. However now its all become clear, the person offended was DINK.
Okay. . .
Well I am most definitely NOT connected with PE. I'm a big MMO-gamer, and I like a bunch of different games. Currently, I'm following Gods & Heroes, Age of Conan, CoH/CoV (if they ever remove the grind or take back the enhancement nerfs), and Vanguard (though I am more interested in playing it for about a month or two when it releases to see the new features - I despise timesinks and won't play it long - I just want to check out the crafting and diplomacy features as they are new).
So my focus isn't just Gods & Heroes - if you are needing proof that I'm not just a G&H poster.
Second, I report posts that break MMORPG rules. I'm not sure which rule you broke, but I'm not the only person who uses the report feature and when I do send the report feature, most of the time I can't send it in because someone else has already done it. Plus, when I do send them in, it isn't like the post is immediately deleted or the person is banned. A MMORPG staffer has to look at the questionable post and take actions based on whether or not it breaks the forum rules.
Don't blame me for getting banned if you are breaking the rules for this site. If I don't report you, someone else will. In fact, usually it is someone else who does.
PE asked some of their forum people to come to E3 with them? That is so awesome! How can I sign up for that?
I think you guys are all sour grapes. Just because PE does something nice - including the thing that you have been getting in trouble for breaking NDA by mentioning, doesn't mean that they can do it for everyone. People like you guys are why companies are probably not able to keep doing incredibly awesome things for their community.
Also, I think it is pretty messed up to attack someone for reporting posts that are against the rules just because you are jealous because they got a really great opportunity.
I've been reading the GnH forums for months now. Nowhere was it mentioned that core testers received "rewards". The forums users are told they have a better chance at beta by being helpful. They are not gaurenteed this. This isn't beta, this is core testing, they didn't post a calling for "beta tester applications". And finally, if you didn't get selected, deal with it. The number of testers they are asking for is 1% of the forum population, not everyone will get in, and not everyone is suitable for the position.