Sony management continues the poor decision making...

Zuel41 · September 2006

In addition to all of the debacles that have plagued Sony for the last year+ (rootkit, NGE, exploding batteries, blu-ray, $600 PS3) comes this fun little piece of news:

Got Cables?

While I do not think that is necessarily their fault entirely, it is kind of stupid to advertise the capabilities of their new console and not specifically disclose that you will need a third-party cable that is between 5% and 10% of the cost of the console. Management at Sony is not making a lot of smart decisions IMO.

/discuss

Spathotan · September 2006

Just another reason to not buy a PS3. Im sure the suckers will still get on their knees though, pun intended.

Rekrul · September 2006

Well, many do that. It was the case with hard drive cables and various other needed components as well.

There's another problem with PS3.

If you had to describe PS3 with 2 words only, what would it be?
- Gaming platform
- Video player

Way too much emphasis is put into that video part which isn't even key selling point. I mean, DVD players with dolby decoders and 5+1 speaker system are going for 49.95. Does that player suck? Not really, it'll provide much better signal than your TV can probably handle.

Now, let's say you are an elitist. You want the best of the best, you spent $499 on gold played speaker cables, have a $9895.00 speakers (7+1 of course), a $4000 dolby decoder. Are you seriously going to buy Playstation to play your videos? Please...

Let's say you do buy PS3 to play those high-res videos. Where? Are you going to buy a $15000 TV just to get the benefit of that resolution?

The two products they are trying to put together here simply don't make sense. Kids who have 6.7 consoles in their room won't give rats ass about your buhluh-rhay. They'll use their DVD player that can play DVDs their friends trade.

If you're videophile, then PS3, um, sorta, like, does not exist.

And if you can't afford a real blu-ray player, how will you afford new TV set to even notice the difference?

So who in the world fits this target market?

I know. The mythical NGE audience. Apparently, Sony used the same focus group for PS3 and NGE.

thefixer · September 2006

This is why you don't buy HDMI or DVI cables from major retailers. $40 is a complete rip-off, and the stores know it. They just sucker people into buying it at that price by slapping "HD" all over it, which people are already accustomed to paying high prices for.

HDMI and DVI pass a digital signal. The cable either passes enough signal through, or it doesn't and you get digital artifacts in the picture. Shelling out $60 for a Monster HDMI cable isn't going to get you any better picture quality than buying a $12 one online. Unless you're doing really crazy things with the cable (like running it through a splitter, or trying to splice two HDMI cables together), the $12 cable is going to look jist as a good as the $80 one.

EDIT: Heh... I didn't read the comments in the article. Looks like someone already said essentially what I just said.

Xcathdra · September 2006

To put the icing on the cake.. bestbuy has Blue ray Dvd Players available for the low price of $900.00+...

Wildcat84 · September 2006

The story of Sony's massive management hubris is soon to reach Chapter 11. It is unavoidable. It is their destiny.

Obraik · September 2006

Originally posted by Xcathdra
To put the icing on the cake.. bestbuy has Blue ray Dvd Players available for the low price of $900.00+...

It's new technology, of course it's going to be expensive. DVD players used to go for that much when they first came out...

Shayde · September 2006

To be fair.. you only need the cable if you plan to hook it up to a high-end HDTV.. and they run about 70 bucks.

If I were to buy one and hook it up, I'd probably hook it into the component imput since I think I only have one HDMI connector.

Bissrok · September 2006

Ya know, if I took over Sony and was trying to run the company into the ground in revenge... I don't think I'd change a thing. I'd give everyone a pat on the back and tell them to keep up the good work.

Obraik · September 2006

Ah so it's an HDTV thing. Heh, lets not forget Windows Vista will require a brand new monitor that meets the standard if you want to play HD videos and no, it's not provided by Microsoft :P

wolfmann · September 2006

So you're saying Obraik, that if you buy a HDTV DvD player, you expect them to also deliver the TV with it?

But not the cables?

Man, I would hate to live in your country, where you need to buy everything that isn't welded to the machines.

Obraik · September 2006

Originally posted by wolfmann

So you're saying Obraik, that if you buy a HDTV DvD player, you expect them to also deliver the TV with it?
But not the cables?

Man, I would hate to live in your country, where you need to buy everything that isn't welded to the machines.

I'm not saying they should, but your same argument applies to the PS3 with the HD cable. You don't need it to use it, you could just use standard TV connectors. If you have an HDTV (which isn't even available in my country yet :P) there is a high chance you already have a cable.

wolfmann · September 2006

I dunno..

Last time I bought a DvD player it came with 3 types of cables...Just so I could get it to work on any type of TV, old and new.

Last time I bought a VCR..wich isnt long ago really..old one burned...it also came with 3 types of cables.

Last time I bought a printer, it had both USB and COM cables for connection with it.

When I bought a DvD player in Kosovo however, to have in my barrack..NO cables, at all....But it was bought at the american PX...So that kinda explains it...I had to go back and buy cables. Instead, I cancelled the purchase, to the staffs dismay..took me 30 minutes of arguing however..but 2 hours later when I walked out of the french PX with a DvD player of the same model, with cables included...it was worth it.

see, when I buy something, I expect that no matter what tv or computer or thing to use that purchase on, to work. I do not accept that I actually have to buy the cables for that darn thing.

But then again, you won't see the difference here..you play the NGE, I don't. You accept, I don't

Obraik · September 2006

Also, if you want the Xbox 360 with the HD cable, you need to spring for the high end pack for an extra $100. You get a few more things, but I think the PS3 comes standard with those (HD and wireless controller)

Wildcat84 · September 2006

IF I buy a console at all (my last two were a Sega Genesis and before that an Atari 2600),it will be a XBox 360.

Microsoft is the lesser of the two evils when compared to Sony. And THAT is saying something!

Obraik · September 2006

Originally posted by wolfmann

I dunno..

Last time I bought a DvD player it came with 3 types of cables...Just so I could get it to work on any type of TV, old and new.
Last time I bought a VCR..wich isnt long ago really..old one burned...it also came with 3 types of cables.
Last time I bought a printer, it had both USB and COM cables for connection with it.

When I bought a DvD player in Kosovo however, to have in my barrack..NO cables, at all....But it was bought at the american PX...So that kinda explains it...I had to go back and buy cables. Instead, I cancelled the purchase, to the staffs dismay..took me 30 minutes of arguing however..but 2 hours later when I walked out of the french PX with a DvD player of the same model, with cables included...it was worth it.

see, when I buy something, I expect that no matter what tv or computer or thing to use that purchase on, to work. I do not accept that I actually have to buy the cables for that darn thing.

But then again, you won't see the difference here..you play the NGE, I don't. You accept, I don't

Maybe it's an American thing, however here when you buy an appliance you generally only get the most basic cables. DVD's only come with AV cable's, printers come with no cables at all other then the power and the last new VCR my family bought (5 years ago now) came with no cables.

wolfmann · September 2006

And thus, you don't expect stuff to work out of the box.

I do however, and so does everyone I know in my part of the world.

but then again, we're not the ones responsible for the warning on a microwave box: "do not dry live pets with this application"

Oh, I forgot:

Every kid I know, including 2 brothers and 3 sisters (don't ask...just don't ) all have Xbox 360's. None of them had the "ribbed" pack. My dad, my stephdad, my mom, my stephmom and god knows who else, simply said the "ribbed" (the light, no wireless controller, little to no cables, notn but the Xbox360) pack was a ripoff.

And today? If I look to buy an X-Box360, I can get the big pack for the same price as the light pack...And shops are getting stuck with that ripoff junk.

Obraik · September 2006

Originally posted by Wildcat84
IF I buy a console at all (my last two were a Sega Genesis and before that an Atari 2600),it will be a XBox 360.

Microsoft is the lesser of the two evils when compared to Sony. And THAT is saying something!

I doubt I'd ever buy a console, to me PC > all consoles > Mac

. Plus after playing an MMO I find it hard to get interested in single player games...

wolfmann · September 2006

Originally posted by Obraik

Originally posted by Wildcat84
IF I buy a console at all (my last two were a Sega Genesis and before that an Atari 2600),it will be a XBox 360.

Microsoft is the lesser of the two evils when compared to Sony. And THAT is saying something!

I doubt I'd ever buy a console, to me PC > all consoles > Mac

. Plus after playing an MMO I find it hard to get interested in single player games...

Welcome to purgatory Obraik. Cuz boy is it hard to find a multiplayer game that stays interesting....They all end up like CS or like a singleplayer game, with no replay value once you've played one character.

Wildcat84 · September 2006

The last time I came close to buying a console was to play KOTOR II sooner, and it would have been a Xbox.

bedolla3401 · September 2006

LOL $OE is a bunch of dumb a$$e$ lol

iskareot · September 2006

Originally posted by Obraik
Ah so it's an HDTV thing. Heh, lets not forget Windows Vista will require a brand new monitor that meets the standard if you want to play HD videos and no, it's not provided by Microsoft :P

I spent 125.00 on my HDMI for my comp, also bought the 1080p i monitor I use now.. I must say they are a good investment if your into comps/rigs and gaming etc..

I undertand why they do not include them though.

Cost factor...

Obraik · September 2006

Originally posted by iskareot

Originally posted by Obraik
Ah so it's an HDTV thing. Heh, lets not forget Windows Vista will require a brand new monitor that meets the standard if you want to play HD videos and no, it's not provided by Microsoft :P

I spent 125.00 on my HDMI for my comp, also bought the 1080p i monitor I use now.. I must say they are a good investment if your into comps/rigs and gaming etc..

I undertand why they do not include them though.

Cost factor...

Does that monitor support HDCP? Unless it is, HD video won't display as true HD.

Rekrul · September 2006

Originally posted by iskareot

Originally posted by Obraik
Ah so it's an HDTV thing. Heh, lets not forget Windows Vista will require a brand new monitor that meets the standard if you want to play HD videos and no, it's not provided by Microsoft :P

I spent 125.00 on my HDMI for my comp, also bought the 1080p i monitor I use now.. I must say they are a good investment if your into comps/rigs and gaming etc..

I undertand why they do not include them though.

Cost factor...

I do hope you didn't buy one of the ATI cards, that listed full HDMI support, only to realize the chipset required isn't even installed on the card, since it was scrapped early in development, yet it continued to be marketed and sold at higher price.

Yep, ATI can be evil as well.

iskareot · September 2006

Originally posted by Obraik

Originally posted by iskareot

Originally posted by Obraik
Ah so it's an HDTV thing. Heh, lets not forget Windows Vista will require a brand new monitor that meets the standard if you want to play HD videos and no, it's not provided by Microsoft :P

I spent 125.00 on my HDMI for my comp, also bought the 1080p i monitor I use now.. I must say they are a good investment if your into comps/rigs and gaming etc..

I undertand why they do not include them though.

Cost factor...

Does that monitor support HDCP? Unless it is, HD video won't display as true HD.

Yep --

1080p and i and of course the 720 as well. I use the RGB connections for the Digital Cable reciever to watch Steve Irwin in HD ... or did. lol

The sad part is now I have a 37 Samsung LCD for my TV and it does not have the same feel as the 21.5 widescreen Monitor lol.

Blue Ray could suck, HD DvDs might end up winning, who knows.

iskareot · September 2006

Originally posted by Rekrul

Originally posted by iskareot

Originally posted by Obraik
Ah so it's an HDTV thing. Heh, lets not forget Windows Vista will require a brand new monitor that meets the standard if you want to play HD videos and no, it's not provided by Microsoft :P

I spent 125.00 on my HDMI for my comp, also bought the 1080p i monitor I use now.. I must say they are a good investment if your into comps/rigs and gaming etc..

I undertand why they do not include them though.

Cost factor...

I do hope you didn't buy one of the ATI cards, that listed full HDMI support, only to realize the chipset required isn't even installed on the card, since it was scrapped early in development, yet it continued to be marketed and sold at higher price.

Yep, ATI can be evil as well.

Not a CHANCE..... Nvida -- 7800s-- HDs, I even consult with them, you guys forget I do this for a living and have been for about 10 years lol.

Don't get me wrong, shit does melt and go wrong but if you plan wisely when making a rig you can do pretty good if you just spend some time reading and researching.

I tell ya what I have not been thrilled with is digital sound.. optical or not sometimes I am not sure what seems best to me ears... (38 is getting old though)....lol

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