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Zerogenum
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Yes the story is older.
but as far as the mmorpg wow made it first and this game plays just like it.
"Kill 20 squigs attacking giants feet then get 20 barrels of beer to quench his thirst"
I'd rather hack people in action combat then go on a grindfest again.
Zerogenum - MixMatched BH Carbineer Template of the Gods, Kettemoor PRE CU SWG.
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Hello, and welcome to MMORPG.com and MMO's in general.
You appear to be missing the point of logic and/or basic reasoning.
You see that is a public quest which means that you dont even have to do it, if you want you can just follow the giant around until he is ready to give the next quest and get a reward for the one you done practically nothing on (However I guess that your reward will be based on performance)
Secondly you can go "hack people in action combat then go on a grindfest again."
Since you can advance through the game purely on pvp, pve or a mixture from the word go you can cross the "river" so to speak and "hack people in action"
EDIT: Next time pay attention to what you saw on that video, but if you saw someone say it on a forum it's best to go check it out for real instead of being completely oblivious to the truth.
Zero, in order to have a convincing argument you must
first: have several arguments
second, have facts and examples to back up your arguments.
You so far have had one tremendously large claim and one insignificant example to back it up. Please Expand.
1) Its based around a successful business plan (WoW's class speccing)
2) The PvP is too consensual for MY TASTES not YOURS, and the non risk non consequence non loot PvP is BORING and NON COMPETITIVE to ME.
3)I saw the video, caster classes are just like wow, you hit the button the bar fills up and the numbers fly.
Are you asking me to prove this game is bad? That will be impossible as there will always be some guy saying "Then don't play it" "Its just a matter of opinion" "Your dumb this game rocks" and other retarded wastes of time.
I like fast paced skill based PvP with good rewards and consequences, I find it more competative.
My entire post was based around my opinion on what i prefer in pvp, and how this games a WoW clone in the sense of GAMEPLAY and not STORY (I only re-iterate because i KNOW warhammer PREDATES World of SuckCraft)
And i like warhammer a lot, which makes me sad because i hate wows linear boring gameplay even its pvp.
Maybe they'll make a cool 40k based one.
Zerogenum - MixMatched BH Carbineer Template of the Gods, Kettemoor PRE CU SWG.
I don't completely understand what you're trying to say.
IF you're saying it's like Wow and ALmost ever other MMO in that it has a class system then alright, Ill agree with you, but I dont see how each race having it's own unique classes and each class being able to hold it's own in pvp in their own way like Wow at all, or a reason to call it a Wow clone.
I don't understand what kind of pvp you'd like. Are you a fan of shadowbane and UO? Do you want to be able to kill everybody and or anybody on the field? How is it too consensual for you? You don't like that others you will be killing are ok with the fact that you are fighting them? How could this game improve? what changes woudl you like to see?
I haven't seen the video you say you saw, could you link it to me?
This game seems like it will have fast skill based pvp with definite rewards for fighting others(lvling up, gear, sacking cities for rewards.)
I'm looking for specifics, you're being too vague for me to understand and either empathize or argue with you.
-exo
P.S. you can NOT tell me that Diablo doesn't look an aweful lot like Khorne the bloodthirster or "the badlands" was a place blizzad made up in game AHAHA
www.roxstudiodesigns.com
Im a fan of pre cu swg. and i don't think any game will compare. so far i've got my sights set on age of conan, but even then im still skeptical.
I hate the linearness of these games. These classes are going to be different yes but not so different.
What i mean is like, if you can put it into words it would probably go like this.
You are your class in these mmos right? And when you see guys you click on them and they are "Level whatever class whatever" and depending on your class you do a different dance of skills thats efficient on killing that class, and its all pretty much set.
Don't you see? Each class holding their own in their own way is there way of saying "Rock paper scissors pvp"
each class has a role to fill to complete the set. and without a complete set you are vulnerable to different specs.
Zerogenum - MixMatched BH Carbineer Template of the Gods, Kettemoor PRE CU SWG.
-exo
P.S. you can NOT tell me that Diablo doesn't look an aweful lot like Khorne the bloodthirster or "the badlands" was a place blizzad made up in game AHAHA
Ok yes the story is older thats cool and amazing. But they are making this mmorpg based completely on wow, to not see that is to be blind, end of story.
Zerogenum - MixMatched BH Carbineer Template of the Gods, Kettemoor PRE CU SWG.
[b]1) Its based around a successful business plan (WoW's class speccing)[/b][/quote][/i]
Please do not say that it is WoW's class speccing as it was made before WoW
Believe it or not there where MMO's before WoW that had class spec's
Also don't respond saying "I didn't say it's WoW's" because putting 's shows ownership, so if you wish to get out of that puddle edit your post.
[quote][i]Originally posted by Zerogenum[/i]
[b]3)I saw the video, caster classes are just like wow, you hit the button the bar fills up and the numbers fly.[/b][/quote][/i]
That's nice to know, but in what other way could this be done?
maybe you hit the button, a pig flies past the screen and letters run into the enemy?
But seriously considering your HP is measured in numbers it'd be pointless that a spell does anything than negate the "numbers" from the target.
Also the casting bar is to give you an idea of when your spell will be cast, nothing more.
[quote][i]Originally posted by Zerogenum[/i]
[b]Are you asking me to prove this game is bad?[/i] [/b][/quote]
Yes I am and that question hasn't been answered yet
[quote][i]Originally posted by Zerogenum[/i]
[b]I like fast paced skill based PvP with good rewards and consequences.[/b][/quote][/i]
That's great to know, may I direct you over to some of the MMOFPS' that are comming out;
http://mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/forum/579
http://mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/forum/724
Those should quench your thirst for fast paced skill based PvP
Oh, and yes, I did play SWG. I loved playing my engineer. Doesn't change the fact that the combat felt just like every other MMO I've played.
meh i figure mythic is doing it and im a big fan of DAoC so its worth my 50 dollars and the first month of play at least. and i can almost guarantee it isnt gonna be much like WoW because WoW is well the crap side of all MMOs put into one game with tons of fanboys, at least thats my opinion like it or not.
-exo
P.S. you can NOT tell me that Diablo doesn't look an aweful lot like Khorne the bloodthirster or "the badlands" was a place blizzad made up in game AHAHA
Ok yes the story is older thats cool and amazing. But they are making this mmorpg based completely on wow, to not see that is to be blind, end of story.
maybe you need to research your facts here. Warhammer has been putting out games for table top for sometime correct? they also were talking about MANY , many PC games as well, for 40k as well as fantasy. they have been talking about itfor some time. due to the fact that they were waiting on the right tools, systems and technology base to produce it. Mythic just thought it would be a beautiful idea. And as far as blizzard goes they obviously took their idea from An RTS based game to the extreme to an MMO.the only problem with this, is this. Compare diablo and bloodthirster khorne to every detailed aspect. ALSO knowing "the badlands" was in a warhammer lore far beyond the world of warcraft was even thought of. Also keep this in mind. Every game they have put out has been to the extreme of the miniature game. Now if this was just another WoW copy i would not play, period end of story. BUT knowing mythic and knowing games workshop,i will not be surrounded by children who think they are tough behind their monitor, compare Warhammer to WoW( for those who have been following games workshop as long as i can remember will not even draw it close.)i will not have to deal with hgue endgame raid pve bs types all the time just to be decent in RVR which WoW also does not have and makes more sense with the warhammer concept. The mounts, armor, lores, races ,creatures and gameplay will make more sense, since most have seen it before and agree with the patterns as again, this is nothing close to WoW. Also keep in mind the majority of the games put out by gamesworkshop for the PC were 40k games, such as dawn of war, fire warrior. They also released mark of chaos.
I also do not understand how yo ucan compare this to WoW since one, you nor i know the gameplay, at all. do not know the pvp system or the pve system (if even any at all). But i do assume as you can't in WoW have sieges but you CAN in warhammer. which does also again go back to WoW being the carebear status. I will let you think what yo uwish but untill you can present to someone that has been following gamesworkshop and their games for about half of his known life i say yo uare S.O.L. buddy because it sounds like WoW was your first MMO if yo uhave to compare those two. thanks
-exo
www.roxstudiodesigns.com
Heres what i deal with, reality.
The game has a WoW style SETTING WOW style COMBAT and WoW STYLE PVP.
AND IT JUST SO HAPPENED TO START DEVELOPMENT RIGHT AFTER WOW.
Zerogenum - MixMatched BH Carbineer Template of the Gods, Kettemoor PRE CU SWG.
I hate WoW, and i still dont understand WHY it is so HUGE.
Zerogenum - MixMatched BH Carbineer Template of the Gods, Kettemoor PRE CU SWG.
I m glad ppl like you dont like the game, i hate griefers and carebears.
Edit: There is games for everyone, if you dont like this one, be free to spam the forum of the ones you like, we already know your opinion now, thx
So now that we've got that settled stop trying to put words in my head or try to express my thoughts for me.
Zerogenum - MixMatched BH Carbineer Template of the Gods, Kettemoor PRE CU SWG.
Zerogenum - MixMatched BH Carbineer Template of the Gods, Kettemoor PRE CU SWG.
Zerogenum, not going to flame you. I've heard other people express the same concerns though perhaps in different words. I also won't preach to you about the fact that Warhammer came *first*. I will point out though that there are major differences in this game.
Firstly, that it is RvR based. Virtually everything you do (ie quests, crafting) affects your realm. This game will be a true goodies V baddies game (the bad side being whomever your enemy is :P) something WoW failed to do. I played WoW, I can't say it was the game for me really but many like it and I'm not going to partake in a WoW bashing thread. But WoW lacked one thing that this game will have plenty of, and that is WAR!
Another thing I would like to point out is class diversity. You won't find bog standard "warriors" for every race, or "mages" etc. Not only will they be named differently to reflect the rich lore in Warhammer but they *should* play differently too. I say should, because I don't know, I haven't played this game yet so we will have to wait and see. But this in and of itself makes me excited to play. I have never been one to play an MMO just for personal reward only. I want to feel apart of SOMETHING, whatever that may be in an MMO. Otherwise, I may as well play an offline rpg.
And third I will point out that WoW/Blizzard/Vivendi in no way invented the Wow *style* of combat, or magic casters and the way they are played etc. So if WAR is a WoW clone, then WoW is a ? clone and so on down the line to the original at some point though seeing as I have played many single player games many years back with somewhat the same style of combat, I think we'd be hard pressed to decide who came first.
No one can make you like this game, that's true and I'm not trying to. I would suggest though, that if you don't like it, aren't interested, have nothing remotely constructive to say about it, it might be best to move right along to a game that is more to your liking.
I m glad ppl like you dont like the game, i hate griefers and carebears.
Edit: There is games for everyone, if you dont like this one, be free to spam the forum of the ones you like, we already know your opinion now, thx
I have to agree with naldric, you are filled with a bunch of BS and lies. WoW did not make what WARHAMMER is today. hmmm just like they said before WoW came out?!?!?!?!? " IT WILL BE JUST LIKE EVERQUEST" AGAIN, back to the BS. so please do not sit here and try to troll the forums, or wait because i do hope this thread is officially locked. And in all honesty i too am glad people like you will not be playing
-exo
www.roxstudiodesigns.com
www.roxstudiodesigns.com
Yeah i stated my opinion, and unlike everyone else who likes the game and posts about loving it and everyone hugs them, im going to say what i think and its different.
Does me not liking the game really piss you off? And should it really? Control Freak?
Its so god damned taboo nowadays to not be completely positive about everything and everybody without getting flamed by the "anti flamers".
I'd have rather seen them take warhammer in warhammers direction, rather than the model of another successful product.(in GAMEPLAY NOT STORY since WARHAMMER WAS FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Zerogenum - MixMatched BH Carbineer Template of the Gods, Kettemoor PRE CU SWG.
-exo if you are calling ME a carebear of mmos.
Then your IQ is room temperature in alaska.
I like FFA open PVP mmos anything INBETWEEN carebear and PVP is a waste of time trying to pander to 2 opposites.
Zerogenum - MixMatched BH Carbineer Template of the Gods, Kettemoor PRE CU SWG.
That's so unbelievably laughable. I won't try and change your mind, I
don't expect to, but I will however point where you're wrong.
I'm not really sure what you mean by setting. It could be graphics, it
could be the fact that it's a fantasy world. Graphically speaking, WAR
is using an improved version of the DAoC Catacombs engine if I recall.
While some think WAR's graphics look extremely akin to WoW's, I don't
see it, and never will, so nothing I can do about that. And fantasy setting
wise.... well, you should already know that one. If it's something different, let me know.
MMO's previous to WoW used the same form of combat. Most MMO's to this
day still do, so I don't see what your point there is. Auto Attack,
skills, movement. It's all the same. AoC is the only MMO that I know
of that's truly trying something different. DDO could be said to use
different combat too, since you can manually attack and dodge yourself. Oh, and Auto Assault.
And as for WoW style PvP.... uh, no. Much more like DAoC style PvP/RvR.
Sure, they're planning on instanced Scenarios that are akin to WoW's
Battlegrounds. About the only similarity is it will be Instanced PvP
combat. The difference is, scenarios will help in the long term goal
of attacking and laying siege to an enemies capital, and hopefully
breaking through it to run amok, where as WoW's battlegrounds are the only true form of PvP in the game entirely, where you compete against 'everyone' in order to rank up. And I highly doubt the majority of
PvP/RvR combat will be taking place within them, however, I cannot
prove that since it's at such an early stage.
And one final thing I must say. Currently, you're basing everything
off of a game, that's still in Alpha, to a game, that's been on the
market for nearly 2 years. We have so little information about
everything, it's silly to make any confirmed arguements about anything
at this moment.
You do realize that WAR is much, MUCH more akin to DAoC than it is to WoW, don't you?
EDIT: If you do infact reply to this post, I would appreciate it if you gave detailed information to why you think this is a WoW clone, and not just 'The game has a WoW style SETTING WOW style COMBAT and WoW STYLE PVP. AND IT JUST SO HAPPENED TO START DEVELOPMENT RIGHT AFTER WOW.'
I'd check out an MMO called Darkfall. It seems to have what you might want.
I find it extremely funny, Zerogenum, that you come here talking about how you liked SWG pre-NGE and do not even realize that WAR system is much much similar to THAT game than WoW.
Let me explain: you choose a class, ok, this is the only part different from SWG.
After that, you do not gain "levels" in the original sense, but you get to choose certain skill packs you want. you are free to choose them in which order you want (with prerequisites exceptions, like in SWG) and that is the ONLY advancement your character get.
You will get some attributes/hit points advancement from this packs, but that's it. The Rank is determined in function of how many skill packs you have, that's it.
About PvP: like WoW? more like DAoC.
You can go PvPing from day 1 for once, and you get loot from it, only not the items the other guy is carrying. the fact you can advance all the game only with PvP seems to be already a big difference on WoW don't you think?
But there is more. You get areas in each region that have pvp objectives in. you can fight there to conquer such objectives and if you get enough points the region CHANGE to reflect your victory. Your banners are now on the village, Your guards are around, quest npcs spawns, special vendors and so on.
In addition to all this, there are scenarios, yes, like WoW BGs to a point ,but there are hundreds of them! not 3, but dozens and dozens with different things to do and see in it. In additions, no queues, because all players partecipating are valued with a point system (like in the tabletop game), the side that has less point recive a boost in the form of Npcs mercenaries, valued less points than players, up to an even value.
Plus there is the campaign. in each racial pairing region there are 5 regions divided like this:
Race A Capital
Race A zone
Neutral Zone
Race B Zone
Race B Capital
The neutral zone is, at start, where the battlefront is. you can go there, do scenarios or stay in world pvp and conquer objectives there. a Tally is made and when one side gain an upper hand the region change ownership. and the war front moves. let's say Race B won. now it looks like this:
Race A Capital
Neutral Zone
Race B Zone
Race B zone
Race B Capital
the conflict continues, if Race B wins again, they get to siege the capital, again both in world pvp and scenarios. the scenarios, though, will be city specific. like... destroying a wall or breaching the door. Do it enough time and CHANGES HAPPENS IN THE REAL WORLD. the doors really go down and you can enter the real world capital and RAZE IT TO THE GROUND. You can fight the racial leader (the emperor, king, big boss or what not) defeat him and BRING HIM BACK IN CHAINS TO YOUR CAPITAL IN DISPLAY!!!
So. The game UI might looks like WoW and the beginner gameplay can have some resemblance (but then WAR has a tactic and morale system that WoW doesn't have, so comparisons are really difficult), but the focus and the meaty gameplay of the game are totally different. A SWG-preNGE skill system with no uber difference between newbie and veteran, a RvR system with consequences in the real world that you can partecipate in from day 1 and some innovative pve things.
Ah yes, the PvE quests: the one you sayw is a public quest, is not your personal one. it is for everybody in the area. you do not HAVE to kill 20 squigs, everybody that partecipate has to. everytime somebody kill a squig your quest update saying now you need 19. and what happens at the end? the GIANT GOES IN A RAMPAGE IN THE PVP AREAS AND KILL DWARVES ASSES. Now that never happen in WoW does it?
Beside public quests, you have more traditional quests, but the devs told us there will always be a choice of how to do it. Plus there are PvP-related quest, either competitive or downright killing. you could get a quest to save dwarves while the orcs players get one to kill as many wounded scouts as possible, you compete with each other and who manages to kill/save 20 before the other win and get rewarded.
So all in all. Wow? Not quite. thanks for trying though.
www.warhammeronline.com check the "paul's Video diaries" section
www.warhammeralliance.com check their dev tracker section
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