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I like the idea you can take over cities, but other than that do you get anything like a race-wide buff for winning or any loot? See i dont know because the pvp isnt going to be loot based they said.
Zerogenum - MixMatched BH Carbineer Template of the Gods, Kettemoor PRE CU SWG.
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
Let me start by saying that I went back to DAoC after WoW. WoW is a nice game and all, but if you're not into raiding, one loses interest much sooner.
Let's face it, WoW has 52% market share so they did something right, whether people want to admit it or not. WAR will look a lot like WoW and that's a good thing. WoW's interface is very good IMO, so I hope they copy as much of it as copyright laws will allow. If you've seen WAR videos with the UI shown, you'll notice it looks very much like WoW, and to me, that's a good thing. I'm not getting into UI customization, that's a whole other debate, just the basic look and feel.
The cartoony-look is a love it or hate it kind of thing, but the fact is that when you go for the cartoony look, your customers have lower expectations of graphical realism. If people are put into the cartoony mindset they're making less comments on how the butt on this model looks slightly too big and the mustache too long, because it's a cartoon! It's a lot easier on the graphic artists who can let their imaginations run free of the bonds of too much realism, it's also a lot easier on our video cards.
Furthermore, try going to an investor and say you're going to make a game that looks, plays and feels like WoW. This idea won't sell, WoW is too big to fight on its own turf, you need to make a game which has stuff that WoW lacks, while keeping in mind the things that WoW did good.
Personally if they make a game that looks and feels like WoW with DAoC RvR and class design, I'll be quite pleased.
Yeah dood, thats true swg was NOT loot based. But I guess that was another thing cool about it. Crafting took skill just not skill at combat. So in SWG it was about finding a crafter that was good and getting good armor and weapons through finding high quality parts etc then having your item crafted.
As opposed to you know like, raiding 40 guys for a % chance drop at this piece of armor.
To put into words you know how everyone in wow has an endgame armor set they are going for depending on their class. I THINK in my OPINION that having everyone wearing stuff that was crafted for them with stats based entirely on the crafters skill plus on top of that your skill in combat and the "realism" factor of not knowing what you are up against when it comes to pvp.
I dont like everyone being able to see how strong in what i am.
Honestly i was expecting a mediocre mmorpg when WoW came out because of blizzard's mentality of "Make it run on most of the worlds computers" Good examples of ok but definetly not stand out good graphics are diablo 2, warcraft 3, starcraft. (I always base my opinion on graphics as to the time when a game came out and what at that time i expect).
Dont get me wrong I LOVE warhammer. I love dawn of war and im kind of excited to see what kind of RvR combat this game has from what you guys have said so far about being able to take race leaders hostage and prisoner.
Im just skeptical because when i saw the gameplay video of the goblin shaman running around killing squigs watching that casting bar fill to max it traumatized me with memories of wow's linear gameplay. Plus SOE fucked over SWG so im still in "SWG shellshock". Very skeptical of mmos indeed nowadays.
Plus the whole idea of blizzard literally posting before the gear even comes out on their site, because they know its all about grinding then raiding for "the end" armor that everyone will end up wearing.
Zerogenum - MixMatched BH Carbineer Template of the Gods, Kettemoor PRE CU SWG.
All I can say is, keep an eye on it over the coming year. Being that far from now, we'll get a much better, confirmed grasp of what this game will have to offer.
Ok first of all i like many people are long time games workshop fans. So as you can see this game already has a big fanbase so the support for this game is pretty much garanteed.
As for your points concerning how this game is almost a clone of WoW in the way things work for example combat, Well i kind of agree here then again how else could it have been done and still be easy to get into and in the spirit of a fantasy game based on Warcraft.
Netherless all things asside what is important really is the implimentation of the game itsself. For example in wow they have just introduced some sort of syphalis collecting game running across sad dunes avoiding opponents in a sort of PvP Tag game [shudders]. As you can guess this was not a good implimentation of a PvP system i tried it and found it lacking. Now that is an example of a bad idea now im not saying not anyone will like it its just my personall opinion.
Now thankfully based on what little i do know of War it is at least trying to have some things different and interesting such as the non lineer leveling syatem and some of the elements in the RvR system. So true it is a lot like wow in how some of its eliments work such as the combat system and magic but hey at least there are signes that the feel of the game will be different and will set it apart from WoW.
So yea i largly agree with your origonal post but because im aware of some of the other eliments to this game im still hopefull. Oh i also know what videa you saw and that one is an old one i advise you update yourself a bit.
You really dislike that casting bar, don't you. The problem is to actually come up with something else, like someone else said.
What do you propose? Either you hide the bar and you just finish casting at a set time, which you can probably do with WoW's UI customization anyway. They could make every ability instantaneously activated. They could use a console-like system of pressing a sequence of buttons and the faster you are at it, the faster you "cast". Not everyone who plays these RPGs are twitchy 18-year-olds who've honed their button pressing skills into a fine art.
Many games have come up with novel ways of activating abilities. Rage, combo points, channeled spells, passive.
The objective or just about every game out there is to win. You have to beat your opponent, be it a human or a computer-controlled NPC. How do you determine if someone wins? I'm not a student of game theory, but unless you want a panel of judges beside you at every fight, subjectively deciding whether or not you deserve to win the fight, it'll all boil down to cold, hard, objective numbers. If you're at 0hp, you're dead, no one can argue that, it's clear and simple.
Working, novel ideas are hard to come by. It's your ability to combine the existing ones and build on them that makes a good game.
i cant say i have played SWG, but WoW simply made stuff easier, and more comprehendable for players.
is better, because it simply makes it easier for players to interact with the gameplay.
like the casting bar which im assuming wasnt in SWG
what blizzard made was a very simpel version of every MMO out there, but not really innovation for new stuff..
but most of the stuff i hear from WAR interviews is most of the time the complete opposite of WoW(like crafted items will actual be good in WAR, and everything ISNT based on what gear you got).
no raiding the same-button-instance each and every day - which is why i like the game so much...
you get a choice to either power(note: not level) your way up by smashing NPCs, or killing the last bits of the evil chaos legion raging the place, to get new attributes/spells to beat your enemy, not easier, but in a smarter fashion.
Interesting assumption seeing as you have not played WAR.
From what i have seen the game is going to be completely PvP centric, which is the opposite to WoW.
You obviously came here to antagonise WAR fans with an argument that went stale months ago, anything else you post is, imo, a waste of time reading you petty little troll.
You only come here to pick a fight, you know there has been enough topics about the WoW/WAR comparison, and that's not the reason you came here. You only wanted to pick a fight... Then you suddenly start telling us you love warhammer and you start ranting on about WoW.
Let me clear it up, on this very site, there IS als a WOW FORUM. Why don't you go there ranting on about that game.
If you want to tell us why WAR looks like WoW, it's fine (eventhough the discussion has been going over and over in almost every thread on this forum)
Please man, grow up, and find another place to rant about WoW...
The Illuminati Gaming Society
You grow up im talking about a game not you and you are defending it as if it was your blood and your work.
Face the facts not everyone likes everything and to say you don't like something isnt immature.
I didnt want to pick a fight with warhammer online seeing as thats what i was talking smack about.
Stop making it personal when the topic is the game.
Yeah there is a wow forum and what im talking about is warhammer online and wow so it could go in both forums. So lets clear this up, you're in the wrong.
Zerogenum - MixMatched BH Carbineer Template of the Gods, Kettemoor PRE CU SWG.
-exo
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-exo
I don't give a shit if some worthless trash online "doesnt like me". But its my opinion and i'll do whatever i want with it. so go ahead and be "brutally honest" about whatever you want and ill do the same.
So as the FGTS like you love to say with a big lisp, "Good Day" you big silly guy you.
Zerogenum - MixMatched BH Carbineer Template of the Gods, Kettemoor PRE CU SWG.
So as the FGTS like you love to say with a big lisp, "Good Day" you big silly guy you.
first off, i think you took that a step bit to far and secondly i do think MMORPG should lock this thread. And i was just being polite, but i guess you don't even deserve that kind of respect now eh? hmmm good luck
-exo
www.roxstudiodesigns.com
oh and you said something about a class holding its own is the same as saying "rock paper scissors pvp." allow me to clarify: rock paper scissors means that class A always beats class B but always loses to class C. a class that is capable of holding its own in any fight is the antithesis of the above statement.
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You aren't irritating because you have a different opinion. You're irrating because you don't know a damn thing about the game. The game does has classes but they are a guide to your character, it won't be a clone army like WoW. Kind of a hybrid system.
But anyway, you might want to check out Chronicles of Spellborn. Realy check it out, not like you did with WAR. It doesn't have FFA PvP, but if you get some info on the classes, combate system, and character creation, I think you'll like it.
And thank you for comparing me to Hitler, he is a great leader who didnt bow down to foreign influence.
Zerogenum - MixMatched BH Carbineer Template of the Gods, Kettemoor PRE CU SWG.
-exo
www.roxstudiodesigns.com
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EVE: Fader Bane
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Oh and about the posts before, I wasn't taking anything seriously, I just wanted you to shut up before ppl got too heated, now it seems it has been to late for that.
I'm out...
The Illuminati Gaming Society
yeah well, what it matters what Blzzard does with their games? what that has to do with WAR? it is developed by Mythic, not Blizzard
We do not have much details on crafting yet (read= none) beside Mark Jacobs (the big boss at Mythic) saying it will be revolutionary if he manages to pull off what he has in mind.
As for raiding, i think Mythic has learned the lesson with Trials of Atlantis, so we might see some raiding, but it won't be the total end-game.
Finally, and this is to everybody involved, moderate the terms and terminate the personal attacks. i had enough of reading about who is stupid or illogical or debating on the supposed qualities/flaws of Hitler. keep it on topic.
You can bash people spouting nonsense without using name calling, ok? let's keep it civil, folks.
Have a nice day.
Volk.
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
Don't think OP has played DAoC. Mythic has learned from mistakes there and will not do the same thing in there new MMORPG (lets hope so). Alsohe has try to read there site and get in to the backgrounds before making a bad post. And maybe WAR isn't the game he is looking for and needs to look futher, maybe Darkfall is more to his taste. If it ever going to be released.