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hey everyone, well i just called my nearest ebgames and i asked them if they have any Lineage II copies in. They said yes we have 1.....So now im just here wondering is this really wat i want and if with Lineage II the retail copy if i get a free month or somethin glike that. I read many many many things about LINEAGE II on this forum and on others. Seems like the game is extremely difficult when it comes to getting what you need and what you want as you raise in lvl...which is also a problem seeing how the only way to lvl is to kill the same monster over and over again for endless hours as was described by many people. I use to play ffxi for a very long time and if you guys can tell me that lineage II is worse then ffxi when it comes to grind..then i will honestly regret ever wanting to try lineage II. In final fantasy the waiting time to do ANYTHING even fighting a monster would take otu so many minutes of my play time. The graphics in lineage II looks outstanding and the chronicles just make me want to playe ven more. Also the fact that they are opening up a new server kind of makes me want to join so i can party with those of lower lvls because i heard that in the brazt server that there are not many low lvl players. Also the problem with the bots and ebayers seems to be a major concern. Is that honestly as bad as people descrivbe it? Can botters in lineage II actually drive people away and completely ruin the comunity. As of right now im playing WoW im only lvl 7 and i have to say its pretty fun.. KIND of repetitive and i heard end game is pupu lol. But as of now WoW isnt that bad and i have had no problem with the community yet..seem to be helpful folk lol. So now that i may have rambled on long enough i feel like i have dont nothing but confuse myself and the readers lol.
'So i guess any information will be helpful thank you very much for reading this
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wow really really well done.. thank you very much for that information man thats very helpful..i guess im just going to go try this dam game and stop hesitating.
Thank you
you ask. Bot are a problem in L2 as in any other game. They are simply
much much bolder in L2 and have no instances to hide in. The community
is fine. The stories about the bots that run people off I think
happened pre C1 when the farmers outpaced the players. Players more or
less prey on bots now."
Sorry, but I couldnt disagree more. This is a very competetive game, in which money holds a very hight value. Belive me, there is a incedible diffrence between a player with unlimited income (ebayer) and someone who needs to grind for his own equipment. Other games do not put so much weight on how rich you are, most items are restricted by level, while in l2 there are just a few "milestones" at which you can upgrade equipment, but these can be months of play away. Not to mention soulshots, that seem to be just created for gold farmers, as they are basically a way of transfering your extra money for additional damage.
And I left lineage mostly becouse of bots just a week ago, so I wouldnt ever say its the thing of the past. You kind of forgaotten to mention that what mostly frustrates the players is that bots/farmers actually deprive players from their game content. Mansion system and Raiding is a prime example. If you cant kill a raid boss becouse group of your farmer palls kills it 30s after he spawns.. well I would not say it the same as in other game. And it does hit the community hard.
Botting in Lineage II is *far* from "gone". And, yes, while many players will go after botters, it's not as though they're actually making a dent in it.
LII has, far and away, hands-down, no question about it, *THE WORST* (caps and * for emphasis) botting problem I have ever seen in any MMORPG I've played (22 to date). Part of it is as was said, they are very bold - they pretty much are flipping NCSoft off, saying "stop us - we dare you". They are bold to the point of PK'ing and mob-training legitimate players to take rooms from them in the "dungeon" areas so they can "run their business". And they're winning. Why? Because NCSoft is a *joke* when it comes to dealing with them. To quote Al Pacino, "They're an absentee landlord".
Don't be surprised to find that many believe NCS is in league with the botters - taking a cut of what they make off the players, or running their own set of bots through the game; a win-win situation for them. Because they really do next to nothing to combat it. A token gesture here and there, offering their "word" that they really are against it! Really! You can log in to a common city area, or a given xp area, and see, literally, dozens of bots swarming the area, killing everything as it spawns with their nonsense names, like "TRWQWQDFGH". And they remain there for *weeks* after you report them while NCSoft "looks into it". It's almost as though NC gives them a heads-up ahead of time, "Hey, guys, we need to do a round of PR bannings to keep the natives at bay... Get your next set of bots set up and ready to go; you have a week". Becuase once one set of botters disappears, weeks after you report them, the next group is right back at it within a week.
It's hard to believe NCSoft are anything but indifferent to the botting problem. Botters' subscription fees are just as "green" as everyone else's right? It's all money to them. I am especially passionate about this because I cannot tell you how much longer it would take me to complete the simplest quest, the simplest task of killing x-number of y-mobs (which is about the extent of LII quest content) because I had to compete with a mob of botters killing them before I could get near them.
So yes, it's a HUGE problem that, in my opinion, cannot be overstated enough. And it has been bad enough to drive many, many people from the game. But no problem there... that spot's easily filled in by another botter account.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Ragnarok Online used to have WAY more botters than L2, but they somehow managed to wipe out most of them. I think this is mostly from deals made with ebay, and changing their 15 day unlimited trial to a 15day/75 gameplay hr trial.
I fully agree that there REALLY needs to be something done with the botting problem, but I will not say it is unfixable. I have been through worse in the past, and have seen it clear up as well.
My god has horns.... nah, I don't think he is real either.
Is that honestly as bad as people descrivbe it? Can botters in lineage II actually drive people away and completely ruin the comunity.
Here is the original question
It is well beyond the scope of what you are referring to. This is the new guy asking if bots are going to kill him which was a problem many many moons ago. Personally I hate bots and go out of my way to hassle them. Honestly I could give to craps about them as long as they are not in my way.
I made plently of money in L2 legit and IMHO, I think if you can't you are not trying. If you can balance a checkbook, you can make plenty of money in L2 so bots are irrelevent. (at least in my view)
If you want it to bother you and give you a reason to quit, thats your choice.
From my
point of view it was a very generic question about bots *and* ebayers, and just gave a honest
answer about how it stands right now in the game
I’m not
saying that you cant earn money legit, I was in top C shop grade well before
reaching lvl 30, and mostly it was thanks to good trading, and some successful fishing.
But on other hand, I was tired of people running around with overenchanted top C
grade from lux shop. Sorry but its just impssible to compete with such players in
PvP, and also very difficult to find a group, because you do very little damage
compared to these players (not that most of them need anyone for grouping)
Even so, if
such things do not bother you very much, you might enjoy lineage 2, as I
consider it be a very good game. But for me its all matter of choice, there are
other great games outhere without all this nonsense (or at least without such
magnitude), so I just switched to another game.
I've been dealing with frickin bots inthese damn games since day one. (About 4 manybe 5 years ago)
We had them in Asheron's Call back when the game was popular. The game population was made up of mostly bots. (and still is)
They where in DAoC along with numrous cheats.
Farmers where all over SWG at one point also. (especially when the IGE boys where making money off of it) The best thing SOE ever did to fix the farmers was make the NGE lol.
They are all over WoW at high levels and actually harrass you.
Those are all the Major encounters with bots I've had. I've seen them in several other games that I didn't stick with.
Bots are something that exist in all MMO's. Everyone needs to get off their high horse over the bot issue. Show me a game worth playing there they don't over run the economy and infest the landscapes. The people I blame are the players. If you the player didn't buy the fricking currency the bots would leave.
Ok, but show me a popular PvP game that doesn't have that?
I come from Hindemith server and there seems less of that. However, it is still there.
Once in WoW I had a much higher lvl player challenge me to a duel. My question to him was "why"?
I would also say that all one has to do is to surf he internet and you will find money selling sites. There you can see which games you can buy currency from. Essentially, all the popular online games. From Eve to WoW to *gasp* Guild Wars (which is ridiculous in my opinion. Of all the games that you don't really have too worry about money in, Guild Wars is it).
It just exists. Until someone comes up with a way to hinder the use of 3rd party programs OR make it so that it is hard to trade money between plaeyrs (so it would be a game controlled economy which most players seem to hate) you will have bots and e-bayers.
Shame that.
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Sorry, but I just have to post this
Fratz just a few hours after server launch. You call that normal bot
problems? In any other game gms would ban the shit out of them mofos for pulling
out a stunt like this.
*Edit* and btw, the thread that reported his situation was deleted
. Gah, not that I’m surprised, NCsoft is
from the official forums very quickly
way better at silencing any complains than dealing with them. Kind of sad to
see this approach getting smuggled into the player community outside of the official
forums.
Yeah, I noticed this morning when I created my first character. The starter areas are flooded with bots. This is just inexcussible. Many actual players with me where very upset. I only had a few minutes but it was obvious where this is going. It was literally impossible to even take a swing at a mob.
For the first time I gotta say, I am very dissapointed with NCSoft over this. Totally inexcussible. I am beyond disappoionted with them. Its one thing to have bots spred out around an exsisting server where it might be more difficult to spot them but please a f*cking blindman could see what going on here.
And to all you L2 players who buy the gold from them......F*CK YOU. Thanks for ruining the game by encouraging this behavior.
You gold buyers SUCK.
EDIT
Im going to go get myself banned from the offical forums now with some hate post.