I was watching a show recently on the History channel I think it was, which dealt with this specific topic.
Though there are some passages in the Bible like Revelations which define a fiery physical hell, mostly the Bible defines hell as existing without God's love. Obviously you would have to know what experiencing God's love is, to tell the difference. I wouldn't know.
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Originally posted by Jorev I was watching a show recently on the History channel I think it was, which dealt with this specific topic. Though there are some passages in the Bible like Revelations which define a fiery physical hell, mostly the Bible defines hell as existing without God's love. Obviously you would have to know what experiencing God's love is, to tell the difference. I wouldn't know.
Exactly. As far as I know, Hell is supposed to be a state of mind.
i want to kno what it is trully supposed to be....
not what MAN has made it be......
Do you mean what it was originally viewed as and not the ignorant modern view of it such as the horned, red devil with a pitchfork ruling in it and causing 'bad' people harm for eternity? If you haven't done any research on it, then I'd suggest going to Christian forums and asking around. You'll obviously get very different views. One may be that of eternal burning torture in utter darkness and another view where it may be a one time thing and not a place at all but simply a fiery judgment where the 'wicked' are burned to ashes.
I think that if Hell is an actual place, then it will be only for 'the beast', 'the false prophet', and the devil. You could literally spend whole 24-hour days studying hell before arriving at a solid conclusion of your own. If you really want to know, I'd suggest asking rabbis and pastors as well as the Christian community and doing some extensive reading. Most of all, God is a God of justice. Without understanding the full implications of sin and its consequences (we've seen a little of it here on this earth throughout history), I would have to say that I don't know whether God is just in banishing sinful people to an eternity of torment or not. I would certainly say, though, that - whatever the case may be - sin must remain apart from God. And if the body is temporary and the soul eternal, then I would go with the eternal damnation concept of hell. If the body is temporary and the soul is temporary (they may actually be the same thing), then I might go with the concept of final destruction for the wicked and no existence thereafter.
Both avenues of thought seem logical to me if God exists - for he would ultimately determine justice and not Man. The only thing to establish are the facts before making your conclusion. Another point of interest is that in Genesis it talks about death. God saw that his creation was 'good', but there probably was physical death in his creation at least for some things. For people to survive, they would have to eat the fruit of plants or plants themselves. This would cause the death of the plant. So 'death' entering the world by way of sin may be referring to spiritual death rather than physical death (it depends on the culture's views of death as well when Genesis was written or recorded by word of mouth). Also note that the Lake of Fire or Hell is referred to as 'the second death'. It's hard to say what this means. I could surmise like I've been doing throughout my whole post, but in the end it's only guesswork and most of it I'm unsure of. Hell hasn't been a particular interest of mine, but I should start studying it more than I have in the past.
Just off hand, the possibilities for the Second Death in my mind are:
1. The first death refers to the separation of the soul from God at physical death. They dwell in temporary darkness for a time. The second death then would refer to the ultimate separation of the soul from God after the judgment.
2. The first death refers to physical death. The second death refers to the separation of the soul from God either by eternal destruction or eternal damnation (punishment).
The reason why I say to talk to a Rabbi - namely one who believes in Christ as the only begotten Son of God - is because they likely know more about the culture of the time and would therefore be able to answer you more appropriately than just a Pastor or Priest. And understanding the way a culture thinks is prime in understanding what they are trying to say by way of metaphor, proverb or simple fact. For instance, I could say "It was raining cats and dogs on that day," and then someone two-thousand years later would look at that and immediately assert that my statement was false based on empirical evidence from science, for it has never rained cats and dogs as far as they have observed throughout history. Anyway, try this site for further reading on Hell:
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Originally posted by modjoe86 I'll let OneMuslim take this one...
Getting 75 loose sluts instead of 75 virgins or maybe goats?
No, in fact, this is how hell looks like.
Hell is a place full of houses, full of people full of angels torturing these people.
now, some people live in houses and in rooms are chained, the metal of of these chains is like the one when water + air hits it, you know, oxyde something, and the walls are made of fire, the ground is made of flames and the heat is so immense that it burns your skin.
some other people are hanged upside down, from hooks, some other people are being dragged on spiky stuff, ripping off their skin.
in hell, the food is burning, and the water is dirty and burning, when you eat or drink, your stomache is ripped off.
some people get their faces ripped off from their eyes to the back of the head, from their noses and to the back, from their mouths to the back of the head, on one side, then the angel switches to the other side, and do the same, when he go back to the other side he finds it cured, and repeat.
you never die in hell, your skin is peeled off like a banana or worse, and then you get replaced with a new skin for the process to repeat.
and who tortures you in hell? angels :}
when you get burned for some reason, you are again replaced with new parts, to burn again, and again and again.
there's no sex, no movies, no nothing, just torture 27/7/12/eternity.
now this sounds very scary, and the path to hell is very easy too, there are many other forms of torture that i don't know.
adulterers are placed in a room where hellfire bursts from beneath them, burning them to ashes, and then they are renewed for the same process to repeat.
now if you don't like my answer, just ignore and move on :}
Hell is an absence of gods love. edit(like Jorev said)
While we are mortal eveyone is bathed in it whether they know it or not and whether they are good or bad people, when that love is removed after judgement you experience hell.
In the absence of gods love nobody is the same, there is no good or redeeming feature in a person, hence there are no tears in heaven over the fate of the dammed, because the dammed will be like tortured evil demons.
An atheist who lived a basically good life and did good things by secular standards but wasn't saved, will become a psychopathic raging hate beast and exist in perpetual torment and regret.
Also those in heaven will be so happy in ecstacy etc they really wont give a monkeys as to what is going on in the hell dimention.
Not that I believe in the supernatural, I am an atheist, but that is a christian perspective, which I was tought as truth at one point in my life.
Originally posted by ob1sr Originally posted by seabass2003
Originally posted by modjoe86 I'll let OneMuslim take this one...
Getting 75 loose sluts instead of 75 virgins or maybe goats?
No, in fact, this is how hell looks like.
Hell is a place full of houses, full of people full of angels torturing these people.
now, some people live in houses and in rooms are chained, the metal of of these chains is like the one when water + air hits it, you know, oxyde something, and the walls are made of fire, the ground is made of flames and the heat is so immense that it burns your skin.
some other people are hanged upside down, from hooks, some other people are being dragged on spiky stuff, ripping off their skin.
in hell, the food is burning, and the water is dirty and burning, when you eat or drink, your stomache is ripped off.
some people get their faces ripped off from their eyes to the back of the head, from their noses and to the back, from their mouths to the back of the head, on one side, then the angel switches to the other side, and do the same, when he go back to the other side he finds it cured, and repeat.
you never die in hell, your skin is peeled off like a banana or worse, and then you get replaced with a new skin for the process to repeat.
and who tortures you in hell? angels :}
when you get burned for some reason, you are again replaced with new parts, to burn again, and again and again.
there's no sex, no movies, no nothing, just torture 27/7/12/eternity.
now this sounds very scary, and the path to hell is very easy too, there are many other forms of torture that i don't know.
adulterers are placed in a room where hellfire bursts from beneath them, burning them to ashes, and then they are renewed for the same process to repeat.
now if you don't like my answer, just ignore and move on :}
ROFFLE! That stuff made me crack up... Your God sounds like an asshole to me...
On reading those things guys, does anyone else get the feeling that adultery is the best way forward? I mean, instant insineration every few minutes aint really that bad... Just a bit disorientating...
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I was watching a show recently on the History channel I think it was, which dealt with this specific topic.
Though there are some passages in the Bible like Revelations which define a fiery physical hell, mostly the Bible defines hell as existing without God's love. Obviously you would have to know what experiencing God's love is, to tell the difference. I wouldn't know.
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Brad McQuaid
Chairman & CEO, Sigil Games Online, Inc.
Executive Producer, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes
www.vanguardsoh
I don't believe in that crap anyway.
i want to kno what it is trully supposed to be....
not what MAN has made it be......
Do you mean what it was originally viewed as and not the ignorant modern view of it such as the horned, red devil with a pitchfork ruling in it and causing 'bad' people harm for eternity? If you haven't done any research on it, then I'd suggest going to Christian forums and asking around. You'll obviously get very different views. One may be that of eternal burning torture in utter darkness and another view where it may be a one time thing and not a place at all but simply a fiery judgment where the 'wicked' are burned to ashes.
I think that if Hell is an actual place, then it will be only for 'the beast', 'the false prophet', and the devil. You could literally spend whole 24-hour days studying hell before arriving at a solid conclusion of your own. If you really want to know, I'd suggest asking rabbis and pastors as well as the Christian community and doing some extensive reading. Most of all, God is a God of justice. Without understanding the full implications of sin and its consequences (we've seen a little of it here on this earth throughout history), I would have to say that I don't know whether God is just in banishing sinful people to an eternity of torment or not. I would certainly say, though, that - whatever the case may be - sin must remain apart from God. And if the body is temporary and the soul eternal, then I would go with the eternal damnation concept of hell. If the body is temporary and the soul is temporary (they may actually be the same thing), then I might go with the concept of final destruction for the wicked and no existence thereafter.
Both avenues of thought seem logical to me if God exists - for he would ultimately determine justice and not Man. The only thing to establish are the facts before making your conclusion. Another point of interest is that in Genesis it talks about death. God saw that his creation was 'good', but there probably was physical death in his creation at least for some things. For people to survive, they would have to eat the fruit of plants or plants themselves. This would cause the death of the plant. So 'death' entering the world by way of sin may be referring to spiritual death rather than physical death (it depends on the culture's views of death as well when Genesis was written or recorded by word of mouth). Also note that the Lake of Fire or Hell is referred to as 'the second death'. It's hard to say what this means. I could surmise like I've been doing throughout my whole post, but in the end it's only guesswork and most of it I'm unsure of. Hell hasn't been a particular interest of mine, but I should start studying it more than I have in the past.
Just off hand, the possibilities for the Second Death in my mind are:
1. The first death refers to the separation of the soul from God at physical death. They dwell in temporary darkness for a time. The second death then would refer to the ultimate separation of the soul from God after the judgment.
2. The first death refers to physical death. The second death refers to the separation of the soul from God either by eternal destruction or eternal damnation (punishment).
The reason why I say to talk to a Rabbi - namely one who believes in Christ as the only begotten Son of God - is because they likely know more about the culture of the time and would therefore be able to answer you more appropriately than just a Pastor or Priest. And understanding the way a culture thinks is prime in understanding what they are trying to say by way of metaphor, proverb or simple fact. For instance, I could say "It was raining cats and dogs on that day," and then someone two-thousand years later would look at that and immediately assert that my statement was false based on empirical evidence from science, for it has never rained cats and dogs as far as they have observed throughout history. Anyway, try this site for further reading on Hell:
http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/hell.html
"Put your foot where your mouth is." - Wisdom from my grandfather
"Paper or plastic? ... because I'm afraid I'll have to suffocate you unless you put this bag on your head..." - Ethnitrek
AC1: Wierding from Harvestgain
No, in fact, this is how hell looks like.
Hell is a place full of houses, full of people full of angels torturing these people.
now, some people live in houses and in rooms are chained, the metal of of these chains is like the one when water + air hits it, you know, oxyde something, and the walls are made of fire, the ground is made of flames and the heat is so immense that it burns your skin.
some other people are hanged upside down, from hooks, some other people are being dragged on spiky stuff, ripping off their skin.
in hell, the food is burning, and the water is dirty and burning, when you eat or drink, your stomache is ripped off.
some people get their faces ripped off from their eyes to the back of the head, from their noses and to the back, from their mouths to the back of the head, on one side, then the angel switches to the other side, and do the same, when he go back to the other side he finds it cured, and repeat.
you never die in hell, your skin is peeled off like a banana or worse, and then you get replaced with a new skin for the process to repeat.
and who tortures you in hell? angels :}
when you get burned for some reason, you are again replaced with new parts, to burn again, and again and again.
there's no sex, no movies, no nothing, just torture 27/7/12/eternity.
now this sounds very scary, and the path to hell is very easy too, there are many other forms of torture that i don't know.
adulterers are placed in a room where hellfire bursts from beneath them, burning them to ashes, and then they are renewed for the same process to repeat.
now if you don't like my answer, just ignore and move on :}
Hell is an absence of gods love. edit(like Jorev said)
While we are mortal eveyone is bathed in it whether they know it or not and whether they are good or bad people, when that love is removed after judgement you experience hell.
In the absence of gods love nobody is the same, there is no good or redeeming feature in a person, hence there are no tears in heaven over the fate of the dammed, because the dammed will be like tortured evil demons.
An atheist who lived a basically good life and did good things by secular standards but wasn't saved, will become a psychopathic raging hate beast and exist in perpetual torment and regret.
Also those in heaven will be so happy in ecstacy etc they really wont give a monkeys as to what is going on in the hell dimention.
Not that I believe in the supernatural, I am an atheist, but that is a christian perspective, which I was tought as truth at one point in my life.
In the end there can be only one. (highlander)
In the end there can be only one. (highlander)
No, in fact, this is how hell looks like.
Hell is a place full of houses, full of people full of angels torturing these people.
now, some people live in houses and in rooms are chained, the metal of of these chains is like the one when water + air hits it, you know, oxyde something, and the walls are made of fire, the ground is made of flames and the heat is so immense that it burns your skin.
some other people are hanged upside down, from hooks, some other people are being dragged on spiky stuff, ripping off their skin.
in hell, the food is burning, and the water is dirty and burning, when you eat or drink, your stomache is ripped off.
some people get their faces ripped off from their eyes to the back of the head, from their noses and to the back, from their mouths to the back of the head, on one side, then the angel switches to the other side, and do the same, when he go back to the other side he finds it cured, and repeat.
you never die in hell, your skin is peeled off like a banana or worse, and then you get replaced with a new skin for the process to repeat.
and who tortures you in hell? angels :}
when you get burned for some reason, you are again replaced with new parts, to burn again, and again and again.
there's no sex, no movies, no nothing, just torture 27/7/12/eternity.
now this sounds very scary, and the path to hell is very easy too, there are many other forms of torture that i don't know.
adulterers are placed in a room where hellfire bursts from beneath them, burning them to ashes, and then they are renewed for the same process to repeat.
now if you don't like my answer, just ignore and move on :}
ROFFLE! That stuff made me crack up... Your God sounds like an asshole to me...
On reading those things guys, does anyone else get the feeling that adultery is the best way forward? I mean, instant insineration every few minutes aint really that bad... Just a bit disorientating...