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It's too late now...
Bob_Blawblaw
Member Posts: 1,278
"Gee, I guess we screwed up!"
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Could be that is what's next. At least they are over the denial stage. Still some in there though, the game is NOT as solid as it ever has been, it's far worse. Better than at NGE launch, yes, but that isn't saying much.
It's STILL not as good of a game as it was the day they pulled the CU.
So they finally caved to the simple wisdom most people have always know.
"You dance with the one that brung ya"
BRILLIANT!
"Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard drive?"
From the Classic Tag Lines collection.
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TheCore
i resubbed, i got your back if it gets ugly
/hi5
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TheCore
Unreal, I just want to call each and every single Dev that spewed crap at the last fanfest and just shove this into thier email.
Sometimes it takes leaders or execs to say what is needed. In this sense I am glad they said this, it will put a muzzle on alot of shit talk from the NGErs and more.
OH AND IF YOU THINK THIS IS POSITIVE NGE SWG talk about the game lasting a long time then I need you to PM me for some land I have for sale in New Orleans please.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Make them eat this..
Man, I waited 9 months to see this at this level. I wanted Smedley to be the one to do this but oh well, I will take what I can get.
Can't wait to see the replies from the Devs on this one.
Now how on Earth can you get out of this? I mean what is there to say even?
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
This will stress the mods out some. They can hardly argue that a discussion by our own Devs at the AGC about the current game isn't current game discussion, can they?
Make them eat this..
Man, I waited 9 months to see this at this level. I wanted Smedley to be the one to do this but oh well, I will take what I can get.
Can't wait to see the replies from the Devs on this one.
Now how on Earth can you get out of this? I mean what is there to say even?
I think this is the first step towards them doing classic servers. It's their only way out.
And the article backs up what I and others have been saying about the sub base, down by half...
I think they might be saying that they will now stick to their current base. Not us.
Ohhhhh and finally. the iragi information minister has been silenced.
This will stress the mods out some. They can hardly argue that a discussion by our own Devs at the AGC about the current game isn't current game discussion, can they?
Nope and for once I hope they choke on thier own words.
Done and Done...
AS I ALWAYS SAY --- KARMA -- it always seems to win.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
I think they might be saying that they will now stick to there current base. Not us.
Yeah thats what I gathered from the article. They messed up, they realised it but they are going to press with what they have since their "game now is as solid as it's ever been".
"If we don't attack them, they will attack us first. So we'd better retaliate before they have a chance to strike"
This will stress the mods out some. They can hardly argue that a discussion by our own Devs at the AGC about the current game isn't current game discussion, can they?
Nope and for once I hope they choke on thier own words.
Done and Done...
AS I ALWAYS SAY --- KARMA -- it always seems to win.
Karma can be a real bitch.
This admission is going to be thrown back and them and thrown back at them HARD...
The article doesn't back that up at all. The author said that off the rumor estimates he's heard. No one will ever know till SOE releases the numbers, which we will likely never see.
"If we don't attack them, they will attack us first. So we'd better retaliate before they have a chance to strike"
I think they might be saying that they will now stick to there current base. Not us.
Sadly, I think you might be right
This will stress the mods out some. They can hardly argue that a discussion by our own Devs at the AGC about the current game isn't current game discussion, can they?
Nope and for once I hope they choke on thier own words.
Done and Done...
AS I ALWAYS SAY --- KARMA -- it always seems to win.
Karma can be a real bitch.
This admission is going to be thrown back and them and thrown back at them HARD...
Yep -- again more ammo of facts right from the horses mouth.
For the poster above.... "Press on?" --- Ok in case you have not gamed a long time. These are things you NEVER say about your live product FYI.
Telling the current player base that this whole thing was a mistake is not exactly saying you are confident in your product or the people that run it.
But hey... the NGE is doing well right? lol
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
I gotta ask this...
So, They admit they made a mistake.
They screwed up the game.
They shouldn't have made the changes.
They should have listened to their players.
If it means that they made a mistake and are going to live and learn from it, then I'm the loser here.
I still won't have my game back.
The article doesn't back that up at all. The author said that off the rumor estimates he's heard. No one will ever know till SOE releases the numbers, which we will likely never see.
I don't think the author would have just picked the number out of the air. You can get the number if you know who to talk to, and all these industry reporters do. Notice he didn't specify a number, it was just said "down by half".
I think they might be saying that they will now stick to there current base. Not us.
Sadly, I think you might be right
I think you're right too. But, I think that resigning to the fact that you've screwed up and are admitting defeat also means that twilight is upon us, and forever sleep SWG will soon.
This will stress the mods out some. They can hardly argue that a discussion by our own Devs at the AGC about the current game isn't current game discussion, can they?
Nope and for once I hope they choke on thier own words.
Done and Done...
AS I ALWAYS SAY --- KARMA -- it always seems to win.
Karma can be a real bitch.
This admission is going to be thrown back and them and thrown back at them HARD...
but you have to admit, that you gained just a shread.. a little sliver of respect for these two poptarts to actually openly discuss this. they KNOW just how big the backlash will be, these two are takin' the shot for ol' smeds, and they're speaking the truth, in their ever twisted SOE way.
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TheCore
Oooh! Here is a juicy quote:
So, I take it to mean that the developers thought up the NGE, coded it, and when it hit the point of no return finally started playing it? No wonder they didn't want players to know about it until they had all the pre-orders in for ToOW.
This will stress the mods out some. They can hardly argue that a discussion by our own Devs at the AGC about the current game isn't current game discussion, can they?
Nope and for once I hope they choke on thier own words.
Done and Done...
AS I ALWAYS SAY --- KARMA -- it always seems to win.
Karma can be a real bitch.
This admission is going to be thrown back and them and thrown back at them HARD...
Yep -- again more ammo of facts right from the horses mouth.
For the poster above.... "Press on?" --- Ok in case you have not gamed a long time. These are things you NEVER say about your live product FYI.
Telling the current player base that this whole thing was a mistake is not exactly saying you are confident in your product or the people that run it.
But hey... the NGE is doing well right? lol
LOL, never said NGE was doing well, I was merely quoting the guys exact words :
" I want people to learn what we've learned in that process. We took a big risk, and we learned. There was some really positive stuff, and the game now is as solid as it's ever been, our people have done a great job – we got the bug count down to about half of what it's been in the past six months. But what I would have done differently was be more sensitive to the target audience. The audience you launch with is the one you've got"
i.e - Yeah we should have listened to all the folks screaming "NO", but we like what we got and are going to press ahead.
"If we don't attack them, they will attack us first. So we'd better retaliate before they have a chance to strike"
I think they might be saying that they will now stick to there current base. Not us.
Sadly, I think you might be right
The majority of the players they have (they've admitted to more than 80% in the past) are pre-NGE. Most of those are pre-CU. There are just less and less of them each month as people give up on the game.
They still have this problem of a game that only a tiny size their existing population likes, and the general feeling is AT BEST tolerance.
And the guy did say that who you LAUNCH with is your playerbase. That was the pre-CU crowd. I definately see some serious hope here for at least classic servers.
Which will end up being a rollback without being a rollback, because that is where the population will go. No one will stay with NGE in any significant number.
That would be the smart, face saving play at this point, introduce classic servers, move the population there, make them fresh servers, shut down the NGE servers due to lack of intrest a few months down the road.
Blammo, you've got your rollback without rolling back, and your server consolidation at the same time.
So, I take it to mean that the developers thought up the NGE, coded it, and when it hit the point of no return finally started playing it? No wonder they didn't want players to no about it until they had all the pre-orders in for ToOW.
if you recall previous smeds posts, they were much too busy enjoying WoW
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TheCore
This will stress the mods out some. They can hardly argue that a discussion by our own Devs at the AGC about the current game isn't current game discussion, can they?
Nope and for once I hope they choke on thier own words.
Done and Done...
AS I ALWAYS SAY --- KARMA -- it always seems to win.
Karma can be a real bitch.
This admission is going to be thrown back and them and thrown back at them HARD...
but you have to admit, that you gained just a shread.. a little sliver of respect for these two poptarts to actually openly discuss this. they KNOW just how big the backlash will be, these two are takin' the shot for ol' smeds, and they're speaking the truth, in their ever twisted SOE way.
I gain NO respect for them until they do something about it. They just admitted that they fucked us over deliberately, and paid dearly for it. So, what are they going to do about it? That 1/2 of the sub base isn't going to magically reappear without drastic action. Nor are they going to replace that 1/2 with NEW players when the game has half it's former (and most of it's current) sub base screaming STAY AWAY, THESE DEVS SCREW PEOPLE OVER!!!
Actions speak louder than words.