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I hit "cancel", and broke my own heart.... =(
Vanillacream
Member Posts: 344
I have been reading alot how people just "dont get" EVE. I really thought I would not be one of them.
I always asked questions if there was something I did not understand. I wanted to get the most out of this game. I really REALLY did.
But sadly I hit cancel today. I tried not to, but "common" sence said I should. Here is why:
I was ending up not playing very much. Having skills with 7+ days to learn kinda took the point of playing away. Having EVEMon on my taskbar and looking at the timer is not really playing IMO. Sure I can make cash, do missions, trade, craft etc etc. But whats the point when I get no feeling of advancement in the game, and no matter what I do I will still have them 7 days to kill.
I really missed meeting people.
I got to chat with many very friendly players, but never meet anyone. No adventure to do side by side. Having problems with a mission and then come across another fellow er...ship...and he/she offers to group up to tackle the mission together. It was at this point I was even starting to miss the annoying kids in WOW!
If CCPs goal was to show you how huge and lonley space is then mission accomplished.
No grouping for a common goal. Sure there was groups but no real group missions. Just helping out players in your corp to do there thing while you get no award for doing so (exept the bounty on the rats).
And space being so big often when a group was getting ready I was WAY to far away to be any good.
Most of the game is travel. I noticed alot of my gaming days were really doing nothing productive. I wanted to move my stuff to another region, closer to my m8s in hope of maybe doing stuff together. A full day it took me to do so. 23jumps one way, and the need to take it many many times just to get my stuff over there. Thats when I realised that 90% of the game time in EVE was travel. Heck I even timed it one night when playing! Traveling was all I was doing. I really would no mind it so much if only there was something to do while traveling...chatting is only fun for a while.
I also found myself missing adventure and exploration. Oh look! More space and stars...oh look over there! More black void! Space is realy boring! lol.
The combat was fun, but it only took 4-5 kill missions to find them amazingly dull. Looking at little red crosses is not much of an entertaining fight.
The only thing I missed out on was PVP. I never managed to get out there. Mostly because of the lack of cash, and I could not affort loosing my ship.
Dont get me wrong, I love EVE. Its an amazing game. The technology behind it blows everything away. The community is great. Market system etc etc. The skills and amount and items make the game allmost like an advanced chess game. Anything is posabul for anyone here. I will always look apon EVE as the most open game out there. Its player controlled and thats pretty cool.
But it seems like the skill system was the the killer along with the lack of content (by that I mean of things to do). The emptyness was just too much for me.
I eventually managed to get 6 friends join EVE, and we all walked out... I was the last.
I mentioned that common sence made me leave. By this I ment paying for a game that makes you play other games while you wait for your skills is not really a good game. A game were u can watch movies, and surf the web at the same time is not what I want from a MMO.
I wanted out of my everyday life and jump into something thrilling to take my mind off "Real Life" stuff, not a game that helped implement it.
I still have some game time left, maybe I will see the light. But I doubt it. I really thought this game would entertain me until Age Of Conan came, but nope. 
I guess "another one bits the dust"? eh? 
Please if you have any pointers for me share them! I like this game (altho it might seem like I didnt), but I cant see what else to do.
Im sorry this post was mostly my bad views. But its the bad points thats pulling me away. If you can help me eliminate some of them, maybe I can be saved. lol
Comments
What makes this game special is the PvP. If you spend all your time in hi-sec then I can see why you would think the game is boring. Joining a good corp (who is willing to train you and help out financially when necessary) means everything.
Solo npcing is a drag on every aspect of the game tbh. If loot and bounties were worse, then stuff like POS and trading gear out in the boonies would attract more people.
Everybody criticizes the endgame content that requires 40man raid groups instead of npcing or linear content. TBH, those are the kind of things that I would find fun, although I have never subscribed to those games. I played ___ trial once, but I couldn't figure out how to orbit. I even took all my gear off and I still couldn't get under tracking on my enemies. I guess horses come with blasters, or maybe they have NOS.
I also really wish EVE had a transmogrify spell so ships would turn into little sheep. Little frozen sheep.
I understand that you have to wait for 7 days to do something new, and you might not feel like you are acomplishing much. I can tell you that 90% of us went though that stage, where we are just sitting there bored and annoyed. However that situation changes very fast when within 2 week period when you realize that "Hey I can fly a battleship!!!!! AWESOME!!!!..............Oh wait my bank account only got 30 mil." So now you you will be earning money while you are training some other skill.
Another thing to keep in mind is that, EVE is a PvP game. If you will try to play it for PvE you WILL GET BORED. Try to find a corp that is PvP active, I am sure they will have mining ops where you will guard the miners, and some PvP ops where you go and beat the living crap out of your enemies. Even w/o joining a corp, try going out into 0.0 in a PvP fitted cruser and see what you can do, I am more then sure you will find plenty of targets.
The faster you will come to understand that that PvE is a tool for PvP, the faster you gameplay expirience will change to the positive side. Eventually you want to aim to join join a big corporation, in a 0.0 alliance then you will see where all those things come together.
Another solution w/ skill trainin I can offer you is train your short duration skills when you are playing (there is no way you need only that 1 skill that takes a week). When you are at school/work/party/etc keep it at 7 days skill.
I hope you try some of the things, that other people and I have mentioned. You sound like you are really intersted in the game and I believe you will be a great asset to the community in a long run.
Good luck.
If yo have some time left and enough cash to lose a few frigates, go apply for PVP university and you can get a little view of what PVP in EVE can be like. You'll have a ton of fun and you might just see what you've been missing out on.
At the end of the day though, an inactive corp is like a guild in any other game where everyone solo's all the time, it's missing the whole point of having the guild in the first place.
i run skill that take me over 30 days whit advanced learnings
BTW can i have your stuff ( account ) if any good
BestSigEver :P
EVE can be tough when forming a new corp with your friends from scratch these days. Very hard.
Usually the ones who stay for awhile do one of two things: they do like many here and join a "good" corp (ie, in an alliance, in 0.0, with tons of researched BPOs, manufacturing, research facilities, a stockpile of supplies, killboards, etc); or go it alone in an NPC corp or a solo corp. Now if you want to go down that road, then you are going to basically have your game being determined by others if you want to progress in that system. That means voice chat, people in your business, and doing what you are told.
A lot of people don't find that acceptable, and I don't blame them. Then again, its hard to game together when you are all taking care of your individual finances.
Now taking care of your own finances can be fun, but only if you have the freedom to pursue your own game without having to answer to others. Many people who want the freedom to pursue their own thing thrive in EVE doing solo work, or creating a solo corp.
It is like that line in Karate Kid:
Man walk down road. Walk right, safe. Walk left, safe. Walk middle, go squish, like grape.
Same thing with corporation.
Do corporation yes, safe. Do corporation no, safe. Do corporation "guess so," go squish, like grape.
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"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
Just becuase you join a big corp to start with doesn't mean you're locked in for the rest of your time in the game. Everyone generally goes through a bunch of corps till they find or found one that fits their particular playstyle and not all of them expect you to become a mindless drone. The best corps are the ones that have goals that help ALL of their members, not just the CEO and his cronies.
And I always thought EVE will be my dream game. Unfortunately I felt the same way as you.
EVE is amazing , it sands out of every other MMO - no question about it.
But it also lacks, how should i say ... playability ?
I would again mention Freelancer as a perfect example - this game (made by a team that produced Privateer , only game that succesfully folowed ELITE ... unfortunately Freelancer was released unfinished)
Freelancer has everything that EVE lacks - And EVE has everything that Freelancer lacks
Freelancer - Explorable universe , living universe (always lot of activity around) , Avatars , landing on planets (made perfectly imho) , teich combat system yet simple
EvE - depth, economy
Maybe one day someone will fuse them in one game..until than
I guess we will have to wait
"Before this battle is over all the world will know that few...stood against many." - King Leonidas
Sorry to hear you found life dull. Yes the travel time can get dull, and long. Yes skill training takes a bit, but there is ways to get around both. First off there are the insta's, they help ya go real quick like. Second there are the learning skills, yes they take a bit of time to train, but then they speed up all training in all skills.
You were on the right path to jump in with a few friends, your next step was to join a corp, or make more friends. In your 6 member circle, you coulda played the empire war game. Kinda fun for nublets and get's in some good PvP action early.
EVE has 3 things that set it apart from every other game out there. the PVP, and not just going pew pew in ships, but in politics, manufacture, market manipulation, soverengty of systems, etc. 2nd the openness of what you can do. no I pick a tank/healer/range/etc and get limited in what you can do/wear/use/etc you can mine one day, kill peeps, the next, flip to manufacture on wed, and politics, on thurs. Go hunting on Fri and pop someone, only to convo/mail them on buying replacement stuff at your store. Last it's the community, in no other game i have yet to play will complete stanger stop what there doing, and spen time helping you understand something. Sure the "Go back to WOW" crowd is there, but only when provoked. Getting ganked by vets?, a quick call on a channel, and 1/2 the other vets come to your aid. Starting off in PVP land?, well the guy who just handed you your ass, will tell you how you can improve, and get better for next time. New in manufacture?, some random gall will fly over, and help...
Sorry to hear your giving it up, but can i have your stuff?
, but only the rusted metal, duct tape, and bailing wire... that's all us minnie's use to make our ships from
Serious though take a sec, clear your head, and I'll hope to see you back...
SWTOR. Face it, in the Scooby Doo Mystery Solving Van of coolness, this game is Velma. In this current MMO climate it has about as much chance for survival as a group of inquisitive teenagers in a 1980s slasher flick. -Tardcore May, 2011
Killing rats is not entertainment.
Rats are resource cows, they drop loot and money that you use to advance your pvp agenda.
Missions are also resource cows. When you run missions you're not doing it for entertainment, you are attaining resources to advance your pvp agenda.
Power doesn't come from skillpoints.
Power comes from money.
Notice, you didnt login because you didn't see a point.
Not having logged in, you made no money.
Having no money, you could not afford a ship for PVP, thus you never actually got to "play" Eve.
Corp and voice comms are essential.
Eve is not a game, Eve is an operating system to login to the sandbox.
I was thinking precisely the same thing.
You have 26 posts and 20 of them are putting down EVE. Get over it already.
Make a difference!
I'm about to do the same, but not because content, in fact, my time playing EVE is not enough to get the objectives I always have in mind.
There are soo many other things to do that sometimes I feel lost, don't knowing what to do first. When that time come, I usually talk with a friend in my Corp and get some insights. We have a lot of plans, PvP, of course, is the most important one, that is why we joinned an alliance and are moving to 0.0.
I have to be honest: PvP in EVE is something that I never experienced in other MMO... The heart start to almost blow, Jezzzz, I nearly have a heart atack. The 1st time I had PvP experience in EVE I was almost toasted, and jumped to the other system with only 5% hull left. I had to rest and wait my heart slow down for like 10 mintes after that...
The main reason of my concerns with EVE is the lack of communications with the community in the last few days. a lot of issues with the last patch, performance droped to some point where the game became unplayable to me... Posting in the forum and stay w/o any answer from CCP staff makes me feel ignored and I hate that.
But I'm a 9 month EVE player, addicted, and I hope CCP can give us a nice surprise in the next days with the deployment of Kali, anyways, I think this "silent job" is a bad choice... One of the things I liked most there, besides the GM support (just awesome) was the fact of the Devs share with the community what was going on... And this is not happening in the last week.
Best regards
When playing EVE you have to get rid of some concepts common to virtually all other MMOs:
running around with an avatar, having content spoonfed for you, expecting the game to set the goals for you, no/soft death penalty, instant gratification. If you can accept that those things are not in EVE, then you have made the first step to enjoy the game.
Now for the next step: motivation!
You need to find a goal for yourself. Don't listen to those saying that only joining a large corp/alliance in 0.0 with a lot of BP0s, Ships, etc, etc, blah, blah blah will make you happy. It may be the thing for you, but you migth aswell enjoy pissing those same alliances off by preying on them, join an RP corporation, start up a capital ship production corp, start up a intelligence gathering corp (selling info to alliances or pirates), or any other combat or non-combat goal you can think of.
If you have that goal, then all the task you do, like travel, kill npcs, do missions, mine, all of the sudden will get a "higher purpose", and won't be just a boring activity anymore, but a means to reach your goal(s). Also a lot depends on the people you play with. A few mining sessions I took part in were among the best times I had in game, simply because we had fun in the chat channels (voice and/or text). Mining is boring as it can be, but it can get the most fun activity. So if you are in a small group of motivated individuals you can get very far in EVE. Size doesn't matter, quality does - a lot.
An the next step: how the f*** do I get there?
Easy: Research and "trial and error". Look through the EVE forums, talk to random people in local, and you might accidentally stumble upon a very nice bunch of people - even better, people who share your goals. Get out there and interact - that's what EVE is about - not watching the timer tick down to "completion imminent".
Try red flashing barsAlso, as with mining above, it is with such casual activity, where you can have a very good time, given the right people. So in the end you had fun, and made your wallet fatter.
Everyone playing for a few weeks with average frequency can afford to lose a few frigates, if not cruisers. Don't use fancy stuff, just the regular T1, and most importantly don't be afraid to lose your ship - it will happen sooner or later, though likely sooner.
You were mainly seeing the tools as the machine that was built, and not as the means to build the machine.In the end EVE is about setting your goal and derive statisfaction from fullfilling them, while having fun going there. The first can be achieved alone (fullfilling goal), but the latter only with other people (fun getting there). A directionless corp is as bad for your gameplay experience in EVE as it can get. If things came that far it's time to looks around for an other group of players, or start you own thing.
I am quite sure I won't win you over, but I hope that I could clear up on a few things for you. And who knows, maybe in a few months you feel the urge to join EVE again, and then you at least should have a few ideas.------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Mandolin
Designers need to move away from the old D&D level-based model which was never designed for player vs player combat in the first place.
Exactly the same experience here. I know many people who get the shakes when in battle situations. Only Ultima Online has given me that kind of adrenalin rush. (pre-trammel)
I started doing the industry/trade thing about 8 months ago. Now, when you make a big deal the adrenalin also flows but not tin the same sort of way and intensity.
Player v Player. The only way to play an MMORPG imo.
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