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Do these guys ever have ONE original thought or idea anymore?!??!
kanezfan
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I was over at the SOE boards two seconds ago to read about chapter 3 on TC and came across this gem from helios
GCW points are earned for a period of seven days doing a variety of PvP/PvE activities. On the 7th day all players in the GCW system are evaluated. This process converts their weekly GCW points into a more permanent GCW rank.
WTF? Just get it over with already, go license the WoW engine, license the whole freaking game and just skin it with Star Wars graphics. FFS, everything they do anymore is a straight complete rip-off from Wolrd of Warcraft! And don't come at me with "Game X had that before WoW, so WoW ripped them off" or "SWG had that first so WoW ripped off SWG". That's crap and you know it. The bottom line is they are liars, cheats, hacks, second rate "C++ in 24 hours" programmers whose only original thought was whether to get coffee from Dunkin Donuts or Starbucks on their way in to work this morning. If WoW's rankings were calculated every day, then you can be damn sure that SWG's would be too. OMG this makes me so angry! I haven't played this piece of shit game in a month and a half and I just don't care anymore.
They wanted it to be like WoW, well guess what? I went and subscribed to WoW and guess where my money's going now? Hint, it ain't SOE, because why am I going to pay them to play their cheap rip-off when I can pay the same amount of money to Blizz and play the real thing? And again, do'nt come at me with "Blizz didn't do anything original with WoW, they copied everyone else's games" because again, the bottom line is what pisses me off is that SWG is becoming more and more a complete WoW rip-off, a clone of WoW with Star Wars visuals. I thought I'd be addicted to SWG forever at one point, but that wore off 2 days after chapter 2 went live. I realized I was bored to tears, there's nothing for lvl90 players to do. PvP blows cause the lag is so bad that you can't do shit, you can solo everything, it's a joke all around.
I will never, ever understand why they do not have a pre-cu server going while they continue development on NGE SWG. It's like they're all just plain stupid over there. They are complete total idiots.
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Hey, brightboy.
The current PvP rankiing system is nothing more than the old FRS with the "mystery" removed from it.
Guess what WoW's PvP ranking system is based on?
SWG's old FRS.
So before you REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, make sure you know what you're talking about.
Why is that crap? It's true, WoW has taken alot from other games.
SWG had a ranking system before WoW did, the FRS. Yes, the FRS had it's differences, but the ranking system now has its differences to WoW's.
WTF? Just get it over with already, go license the WoW engine, license the whole freaking game and just skin it with Star Wars graphics. FFS, everything they do anymore is a straight complete rip-off from Wolrd of Warcraft! And don't come at me with "Game X had that before WoW, so WoW ripped them off" or "SWG had that first so WoW ripped off SWG". That's crap and you know it. The bottom line is they are liars, cheats, hacks, second rate "C++ in 24 hours" programmers whose only original thought was whether to get coffee from Dunkin Donuts or Starbucks on their way in to work this morning. If WoW's rankings were calculated every day, then you can be damn sure that SWG's would be too. OMG this makes me so angry! I haven't played this piece of shit game in a month and a half and I just don't care anymore.
They wanted it to be like WoW, well guess what? I went and subscribed to WoW and guess where my money's going now? Hint, it ain't SOE, because why am I going to pay them to play their cheap rip-off when I can pay the same amount of money to Blizz and play the real thing? And again, do'nt come at me with "Blizz didn't do anything original with WoW, they copied everyone else's games" because again, the bottom line is what pisses me off is that SWG is becoming more and more a complete WoW rip-off, a clone of WoW with Star Wars visuals. I thought I'd be addicted to SWG forever at one point, but that wore off 2 days after chapter 2 went live. I realized I was bored to tears, there's nothing for lvl90 players to do. PvP blows cause the lag is so bad that you can't do shit, you can solo everything, it's a joke all around.
I will never, ever understand why they do not have a pre-cu server going while they continue development on NGE SWG. It's like they're all just plain stupid over there. They are complete total idiots.
So you dont play anymore but the fell the need to vent, well it would appear you need to go over it. You left the game, cancelled. That is about the most damaging thing you could do, and it is done now. So let it go.
As for original ideas, the space flight in an MMO and has ground combat as well, Crafting in SWG is original as it gets. If you dont play, why does this make you mad? And you call them idiots, so you insult the Devs IQ , while they are MMORPG programmers, dealing with package exchange, Direct X apis and I am sure bunchs of custom controls and API's. But hey, I am sure you could do much better. If you dont like the direction then dont play, to try and spin your opinion without given others the chance to form their own is rather vendictive. The only message I get from you is "I HATE SOE". With a rant such as yours, totally baseless ( SWG has Orginal Ideas all through it, this one might not be, but several are there ), I cant understand why you would even take the time to write this post. Please if you play WOW , post your absurd insenuations in that forum.
Chapter 3 brought back some stuff the NGE took away, my favorite being combat chat, it also added two more expertise trees ( Smugglers and Officers ) and allows for smuggling now. None of that is in your post, just the GCW rankings stuff. Which some like, and some dont ( Mostly ones who had abunch of faction which this is replacing).
And telling me have WOW is better than SWG, I played it for 3 months and maxed my toon, then what, no real crafting, no space or anyother type of combat but ground. Man it got old fast. But hey, I am no in the WOW forums flaming it.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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It is merely a coincidence.
Any resemblance of WoW as it apears in SWG is merely a coincidence. It is not copied from WoW, but from other great games from much before WoW. As a matter of fact, WoW copied these ideas from those games as well.
Once again, for the record, any resemblance between NGE and WoW is merely coincidental.
Instead of listing which games this was copied from, let me just state, that these original games are played exclusively by SOE's mythical audience.
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Name a game, that uses kills counts to calculate scores and updates ranks based on that every 7 days.
Name a game, that uses kills counts to calculate scores and updates ranks based on that every 7 days.
I'll do one better and name four:
1) SWG preNGE FRS
2) SWG NGE PvP ranking system
3) WoW
4) EQ2
The people who need to let it go are the Devs. If they don't see the fact that they won't have a job 3 months from now (at least not on SWG) they truly are blind. I read the Pub 31 notes. Nothing there at all to make me want to resubscribe. Nope. None.
Why do I want to endlessly grind to get and keep a rank?
There is no fun in that.
Yes, this is based on cobbled together code from the pre-CU FRS (which the WoW system was ripped from), so it's not technically a ripoff of WoW. But they'd be better off ripping off what WoW is changing theirs into, just as the FRS was a joke that was horribly exploited and fight clubbed, and ultimately a failure, WoW has decided to dump this sort of ranking system for another.
And this bunch of knuckle dragging droolers would never have gotten this thing together if they didn't already have the pre-CU code to work from. I am sick and tired of them ripping off chrome and shiny stuff from the pre-CU Ferarri and supergluing it onto the CUNGE `87 Yugo and expecting people to love it.
Oh, and I read that the "Smuggling system" is nothing more than a bunch of delivery missions. Woo.
Name a game, that uses kills counts to calculate scores and updates ranks based on that every 7 days.
I'll do one better and name four:
1) SWG preNGE FRS
2) SWG NGE PvP ranking system
3) WoW
4) EQ2
Stupid reply.
FRS used pvp rating to determine ranks. It depended on who you kill to determine the gain. It wasn't kill counts.
WoW. Yep. They designed the system. They had it before NGE. This is what NGE copied to the dot.
EQ2. EQ2 pvp came out after WoW. Honorable and dishonorable kills?
And the NGE rating system came out before NGE rating system?
Two self references as a reference to which games have such system, and quoting WoW in response to original WoW copying thread?
Yes. NGE copied the system one to one from WoW:
When you kill someone, you score a poiint. Every 7 days, this score is used to update the rank. No, it's not a coincidence.
Changes have been made to how it works
- The more you kill someone, these less points you get until you eventually get none.
- First 6 ranks don't decay, once you get them you have them
- Rank is gained not just by killing other players, but by killing NPCs and base busting
- If you're in a PvP zone and outnumbered, you will get more rank for each kill. If you are in the outnumbering team you will get alot less depending on the ratio.
- Crafters gain rank by crafting
- Rank is gained in space and on the ground. Measures in place on the ground apply to the same situations in space too.
As for smugglers delivering, isn't that what a Smuggler does? They hide goods and they deliver it to someone at the other end...
So we have esablished that game devs steal each others ideas?
Man what a revelation. Im sure glad I have this community here to point out THE OBVIOUS...
If they are good ideas then who cares where they got them? All I need to know is
1. Will it make the game better?
2. Is it fun?
I mean really people why do we play games anyways? To have fun or to be able to say we play something original and inventive but is as boring as watching paint dry?
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
Temploiter
WDMKR | Incarnate
Temploiter
WDMKR | Incarnate
Name a game, that uses kills counts to calculate scores and updates ranks based on that every 7 days.
I'll do one better and name four:
1) SWG preNGE FRS
2) SWG NGE PvP ranking system
3) WoW
4) EQ2
Stupid reply.
FRS used pvp rating to determine ranks. It depended on who you kill to determine the gain. It wasn't kill counts.
WoW. Yep. They designed the system. They had it before NGE. This is what NGE copied to the dot.
EQ2. EQ2 pvp came out after WoW. Honorable and dishonorable kills?
And the NGE rating system came out before NGE rating system?
Two self references as a reference to which games have such system, and quoting WoW in response to original WoW copying thread?
Yes. NGE copied the system one to one from WoW:
When you kill someone, you score a poiint. Every 7 days, this score is used to update the rank. No, it's not a coincidence.
You're a complete ignorant moron.
Even Jesus doesn't what the hell you just said. Can you be ANY more obtuse?
Nthnoun?
A man has to be really super smart to be calling so many people stupid on the front page, that's all I'm sayin'.
Temploiter
WDMKR | Incarnate
You're a complete ignorant moron.
Nothing more to be discussed here I guess.You guys flaming me don't get it. Read this.... They ripped off WoW. If WoW calculated scores every 3rd friday of the month but only on a full moon and only if the office dog Spot humped at least 38 legs that week, then do you know when SWG's devs would make their pvp calculations? Yup, every 3rd friday of the month but only on a full moon and only if the office dog Spot humped at least 38 legs that week.
Obviously GAMES ARE GOING TO COPY EACH OTHER, ESPECIALLY A GAME THAT HAS 7 MILLION SUBS. I'm not stupid and I'm not denying that fact. But when almost everything to come out from SOE devs has been a straight copy job of WoW in the past few months, that's plagiarism. I wish Blizz would sue SOE for it, I really do. This was such a fun game, why SOE, why?!??
The irony is, WoW's pvp system isn't that good. Even among players it's generally considered lame. The only reason players engage into it is because of artificial rewards associated with it, that define pvp skill through grind alone. This ensures that if you grind long enough, you'll be better than those that didn't grind as long. It's why WoW is defined as completely linear game in every aspect, with time spent determining the outcome.
Ironically, it's also the reason why SWG will never be able to benefit from that, since it's different design. Even with all the changes, it's still completely opposite and can never be adjusted to that, at least not without alienating the rest of the population.
NGE was a very good demonstration of that, and bringing back all the pre-NGE concepts is a further proof. NGE became the perfect example of: "Do not copy WoW"
And that differs from the nge how again?
/spin
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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SOE is seeing things this way....
When they started the SWG project successful MMOs were measured in the 100's of thousands of players.
When they got to year two of the game being live successful MMOs were measured against WoW's millions of players and they were far short of that.
If you are a game designer and have the question put to you of how do you tap a known game's audience what is the first and easiest solution? Copy it. Take that game and go through it bit by bit and copy every system.
The only problem with that idea is that they copied an apple by changing an orange. If the most popular MMO on the market is a fantasy/ARPG (or hack and slash) you can't make a scifi/RPG an exact copy of it no matter how hard you try. You can make a scfi/hack and slash but it just isn't the same thing and doesn't have the exact same appeal. Plus, your existing audience may not like hack and slash if the like a true RPG. Which we didn't which is why SWG is the laughing stock of the gaming industry.
Instead of trying to copy WoW with SWG.. They should have started building SWG 2 using the ARPG model. Let SWG slowly lose customers as it was but start hyping SWG 2 and give all of the people who were looking for an ARPG (pirrg and Obraik) a reason to hang around the old game while the new one developed.
SWG 2 could have started beta right now with a SWG using the original CB that was scrapped in favor of the CU having just as many or more subs, no bad press, no irrate customers and nothing but positive hype surrounding the SWG 2 beta.
They could have read, "OMG I hear that SWG even has a smuggling system and PvP ranking system!" "Oh man I can't wait to buy that game!"
Instead, they get, "You won't believe what these jackasses have stolen from WoW this month...." "Smeddly sucks I hope he dies in a fire." "If Helios ever comes to my town I'm gonna beat his ass." "I won't buy another SOE title even if they give me a free year's worth of sub."
GG SOE!
Former SWG beta tester and player
Here's a shock-horror-revalation for you. The games companies might be in competitionwith each other for market share, they might have some IP material they keep to themselves but they draw from the same pool of designers and coders all the time. Have a looksee at some of their resumes sometime. Those folk are more closely interbred than that weird family in Deliverance.
All last week they were sat in the same room as each other telling each other how to make games bigger, better, sexier. They even share ideas.... whoah! Go check out some dev blogs sometime, they're not that hard to find. The biggest contributors are other devs from other companies...
The point shouldn't necessarily be where an idea originated but how well it's implemented. Seriously, does it matter THAT much to you that a system looks similar, or is for that matter spit identical? Does it work? then go for it.
Unless you truly believe that we shouldnt have anything in game A that has ever appeared in game B, C, D, E, F.... in which case we're going to run out of ides pretty damned fast.
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So, you all sat in camps and that was fun?
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SWG ADDICT...clean since the NGE
Theyd have to have an original idea in the first place. Theyre dam lucky that kotor and battlefront exist otherwise we wouldnt have any content 0 nada without those games lol
We're sitting in our offices thinking of ways to upset our paying customers. I think were on track to meet that goal.
John Smedley