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yes its nearly that time of the year.ATI vs nvidia!
hercules
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Gentlemen start your engines!
For the last couple of years by now a new version of a g .card would be out (usually nvidia first).
But as vista got pushed back it also seems to delay the cards which ofc has to market as dx10 compatible to gain any success.
The challengers are R600 and G80
R600 leaked specs are found here
http://www.megagames.com/news/html/hardware/atir600specsrevealed.shtml
G80 leaked info(not very detailed sadly)
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34359
Now ati seems to have produced the best of last generation of cards with it thumping ass for performance and value with its x1900xt ,x1900gt,x1950xtx.
However it suffered in last year war in releasing its x1800xtx almost 3-4 months after the nvidia 7800gtx which cost it the a good portion of the gamer's market that was waiting for the new generation.
If you check the R600 specs with G80(nvidia),it would seems the r600 is prepared to give nvidia another thumping .
Remember this are leaked info and no guarantee to be the released specs.R600 will offer physic technology on its chipset which atm the moment you need to cough $200 for it if you want it.G80 will not
Rumor also has it nvidia did not unify the pixel/vertex shadows like R600 is planning to do.
There is rumor of 96 pipes in G80 but apparently it will be split 48/48 between dx9 and dx10 meaning you can never use more then 48 pipes at a time.
Now,ati fans are probably smiling away.Here is the shocker.ATI acknowleged last year their only mistake was not getting the x1800 out in time for a fight with 7800 which controlled the new gen card market for nearly a quarter of a year(long time in G.Card fight market).
So they decided to release nov/dec to counter the suspected nvidia oct/nov launch.However,while it seems anvidia is indeed going to keep to date with a oct/nov launch strong indications is that while ati will be out before vista(which u need for dx10 anyhow) it will still be nearly 3 months behind with a delay to early next year.
So assuming the R600 specs and G80 remain as leaked.Assuming you might have to wait for about 3 months for a R600 after the G80 hits the market.And assuming you were to buy a new card soon(thus i left not buying soon option)
Which would you buy?
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I have always bought Nvidia and always will. No catalyst worries for me
Actually i switched to ati a while ago.My last nvidia card was actually the ti4200(great card for its time).
I never had any catalyst issue and i gone thru 3 or 4 ati cards since then.My brother has never had issues and neither has anyone i know.
So i find no reason personally to buy nvidia or ati based on their drivers and rather go for hardware.
I am not a diehard fan of any hardware myself.I go with whats best.After all i have used amd since 2001 and recently decided to go with a intel 6600 because atm intel has the best processors.
Nvidia, allways.
Everyone I know seems to have gone with ATi, but they have constant problems. Even easy stuff like hooking your comp to the TV.
Sadly most laptops seem to come with ATI. 1 out of 10 seems to have Nvidia. Thats part of the reason I am staying away from laptops. Altho I will soon be needing one for work....damn.
I'm an Nvidia girl, always will be.
Not to say I dont like ATi, as far as I'm concerened they have always been very solid, especially with cards like the X850XT which IMO was one of the best cards ever made, the x1600 which is probably one of the best made midrange cards ever and the king of the hill now with the X1950XT which is simply a brute. Although the 7950 GX2 OC from BFG will beat anything out there right, bare none.
Right now I'm running two BFG 7900 GTX's in SLi and I've yet to be slowed down by any game at decent sized resolutions and I couldn't be happier with the stability of SLi now, so nothing to complain about at all.
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Hmm debateable.
In crossfire mode 2 z1950xtx seems to beat quad sli 7950gx2 in almost everything
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=3727
However a single x1950xtx loses to 7950gx2 in games like quake 4 and oblivion but wins in HL2.
And the x1950xtx is like $356 from newegg.com and the 7950gx2 is about $500.
Hmm debateable.
In crossfire mode 2 z1950xtx seems to beat quad sli 7950gx2 in almost everything
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=3727
However a single x1950xtx loses to 7950gx2 in games like quake 4 and oblivion but wins in HL2.
And the x1950xtx is like $356 from newegg.com and the 7950gx2 is about $500.
Always been like that though, which is great in my oppinion. Some cards will always do better with certain games, that's the crux of the ATi vs. Nvidia style, one will always beat out the other in some form or the other.
Either way, both are amazing cards for those looking to top out performance.
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[quote]Originally posted by hercules
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Originally posted by shae
I'm an Nvidia girl, always will be.
Not to say I dont like ATi, as far as I'm concerened they have always been very solid, especially with cards like the X850XT which IMO was one of the best cards ever made, the x1600 which is probably one of the best made midrange cards ever and the king of the hill now with the X1950XT which is simply a brute. Although the 7950 GX2 OC from BFG will beat anything out there right, bare none.
Right now I'm running two BFG 7900 GTX's in SLi and I've yet to be slowed down by any game at decent sized resolutions and I couldn't be happier with the stability of SLi now, so nothing to complain about at all.
Hmm debateable.
In crossfire mode 2 z1950xtx seems to beat quad sli 7950gx2 in almost everything
[url=http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=3727]
However a single x1950xtx loses to 7950gx2 in games like quake 4 and oblivion but wins in HL2.
And the x1950xtx is like $356 from newegg.com and the 7950gx2 is about $500.
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However, quad technology is stil shaky in it's infancy. Not very many people have a need for it yet, but as it's tech gets better and it's demand increases the results will be remarkable, I'm sure. Just like SLI/Crossfire, both first gen SLI/Crossfire cards were barely better than a single card setup in the beginning. Now look at 'em
ATI cards will only get stronger against Nvidia from here on out. The big question in my mind is how much longer will it be before we have the GPU cores side by side with the CPU cores on the same chip?
imagine...
32 cores: 16 CPU cores; 12 GPU cores; 4 PPU cores.
Bye bye video cards!
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AMD/ATI are designing multi-core chips with CPU and GPU cores...I couldn't find the really good article about it but I have this one for the time being.
edit: Here's the other article...
Who tried to put CPUs and GPUs together and failed? It's only just now possible...
On the matter of upgradability, that's the first thing that came to mind was...will that configuation be as emotionally satysfying as buying and seeing a video card? But in terms of processing power and speed no video card would ever be able to surpass the performance of multi-core chip...it's just not possible. 12 GPU cores would be massively powerful...there really wouldn't be a need to continually upgrade, like you would with seperate video cards.
I've always bought nVidia, though I now own my first ATi (it was a gift).
I can without a doubt say I will forever and always be an nvidia fan. I've never had any issues with any nvidia card I've ever owned, and ati cards just seem to be as buggy as heck.
I'm not just talking about my experiences, it always seems that whenever people are having graphics problems in a new game, 90% of them are because of ATi drivers.
Having a more powerful gpu doesn't matter if you can't get the game to run without crashing.
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Actually AMD and Nvidia have always been very close...the AMD/ATI merger was a very big surprise to most of us, but it was perfect for AMD. ATI and intel have always had an excellent relationship...ATI makes a lot of chips sets for intel.
So, in reality it's been just the opposite...and BTW, there is no intel/Nvidia, not yet anyhow.
Nvidia is an only child now...but that could be excellent news for us; they'll most likely pull out all the stops and start delving into more radical designs, not only for their GPUs but also their card designs.
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I go with whatever hardware is currently better.Like yesterday me and a friend were talking and he asked me to build him a new system and i told him to go with intel 6300.Just 6 months ago i will never be caught recommending intel to anyone but they done such a good job with the core2 its hard not to.
If nvidia release a superior g.card with good value i would recommend them too but atm ati seems to have the best performance/value ratio there is.
Actually i switched to ati a while ago.My last nvidia card was actually the ti4200(great card for its time).
I never had any catalyst issue and i gone thru 3 or 4 ati cards since then.My brother has never had issues and neither has anyone i know.
So i find no reason personally to buy nvidia or ati based on their drivers and rather go for hardware.
I am not a diehard fan of any hardware myself.I go with whats best.After all i have used amd since 2001 and recently decided to go with a intel 6600 because atm intel has the best processors.
Well, I and some other ppl had problems with occasional crashes during the Auto Assault beta. As far as I could find out, all of them on ATI.
And for those of us who like to experiment with Linux now and then, the ATI drivers are a pain in the ass to install. I've recently done it (and succeeded for the first time at all, older driver versions were worse
So, next time an NVIDIA for me. Maybe a 7600GS with passive cooling. It is not the fastest but I really dislike the fans that come with most graphics cards. They bearings tend to be worn out after a year, and then those shitty fans develop a really annoying level of noise.
AMD/ATI are designing multi-core chips with CPU and GPU cores...I couldn't find the really good article about it but I have this one for the time being.
edit: Here's the other article...
Who tried to put CPUs and GPUs together and failed? It's only just now possible...
On the matter of upgradability, that's the first thing that came to mind was...will that configuation be as emotionally satysfying as buying and seeing a video card? But in terms of processing power and speed no video card would ever be able to surpass the performance of multi-core chip...it's just not possible. 12 GPU cores would be massively powerful...there really wouldn't be a need to continually upgrade, like you would with seperate video cards.
Actually modern graphics cards are monsters in terms of processing power, albeit specialized for the needs of displaying graphics.
So I think combined CPUs/GPUs will appear in the low end market first, as a replacement for chipsets with integrated graphics. What I like about it is that the GPU could share the processor heatsink, no more issues with piss-poor GPU fans. But before I actually buy one, ATI driver quality would have to go up somewhat (see also my previous post in this thread).
After reading the horror stories the 7900 series had with people RMAing up to 6 times before getting a new card... I'm going for ATI this round.
I always had Nvidia, but I just got myself an AIW X800XT for AGP and it's amazing. Other then the 7800GS for AGP, this is the next best thing.
Once Age of Conan and Windows Vista comes out, I'm going to redo my whole system. Untill then, this card should do me justice.
And now that ATI is finally doing well on their drivers and hardware, they are actually putting up one hell of a fight against Nvidia. I personally believe that right now ATI and Intel are the kings (once again).
And then give it another couple of months and it will be AMD and Nvidia. Just how prices get slashed and how hardware/software gets better.
And now that ATI is finally doing well on their drivers and hardware, they are actually putting up one hell of a fight against Nvidia. I personally believe that right now ATI and Intel are the kings (once again).
And then give it another couple of months and it will be AMD and Nvidia. Just how prices get slashed and how hardware/software gets better.
Actually ati has been proving to be the gamers choice of card since 9700 series which is soon to be 5 generations old!