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WoW is tarnishing the MMO scene
iHatePants
Member Posts: 33
Before you go writing this off as anti-WoW, read first and hear what I have to say.
Im sick of this crap.
I like what WoW has done for MMO's in making more people aware of the genre and shutting up all those critics who said that MMO's would never make it big and would dye out in 10 years. But what I don't like is the ignorant people it is bringing into the MMO scene.
Lets be honest (and im not doing this to stroke my ego, but to prove a point) how many of you never touched a MMO before WoW? Although alot of people on this forum don't seem to be who my post is mean't towards. Alot of the people in this forum seem to know MMO games fairly well.
Im talking about all these people who said they would never touch a MMO game and than they finally decided to get WoW because of it's success and after playing it they think they know MMO games. How many MMO players exsisted before WoW? How many of those 7 million players that WoW now has have never even played a MMO game before?
I didn't decide to make this rant thread after simply hearing 2 or 3 people fit this description. I made this thread after spending a whole year having to put up with these people and now im finally letting it all out!
How is WoW tarnishing the MMO scene you ask? Because for the people who pick up WoW as thier first MMO game they're given the impression that this game is the standard of what an MMO game should be. They figure that becuase it's soo popular that every MMO that isn't as popular is doing something wrong and isn't worth playing. Alot of people who pick up this game are people who have never even played a PC game before other than solitare and mind sweeper. Not just kids but alot of grown ups seem to fall under this category of people.
To these players when a game that is coming out offers something that isn't WoW related, it's BAD!
Death penalties, OMG NO WAY! open pvp, NO THANKS! Little to no teleport travelling, WASTE OF TIME!
This is usually what the kids will cry and grown ups will waste my time telling me how such a game would be a failure becuase it doesn't fit THEIR busy life. Yet they know nothing because they've never bothered to give any of the MMO's before WoW came out a fair chance. They're just talking out of thier a$$.
It's not just the players, but now MMO companies are trying soo hard to re-create the WoW formula. Which will only further make players think that the WoW formula is the only way to make an MMO game, and give companies the impression that WOW clones are the only MMO games we want.
Notice how alot of WoW players are writing off WAR Online because it offers more PvP content rather than PvE content?
Vanguard alone is the only game with balls to walk the path that not many choose to walk. They're taking this game in a whole new direction and all it's new ideas are getting shut down by the WoW community.
I also can't stand all the WoW users talk about how much EVE sucks. My friends see me play it for 10 minutes and tell me "You left WoW for this!?". Becuase of that 10 minutes of gameplay they saw they now out right refuse to play the game even when I try to tell them that the later part of the game is better.
These are just some examples.
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Sure all other MMO developers are going to try and duplicate the WoW formula, they all want to be dirty stinking rich. The main reason that WoW is so sucessful if because it's a FUN game, a lot of other MMOs lack the fun factor. Sure once you hit 60 it gets boring but it's a fun trip getting there. WoW is king of the MMOs and it will be there for a long time.
Oh and before you call me a fanboi, I haven't played WoW in about 7-8 months.
I sleep with a pillow under my gun.
Waiting on Guild Wars 2
I sleep with a pillow under my gun.
Which FF Character Are You?
Sorry, I guess I'm just used to getting blasted on these boards.
I sleep with a pillow under my gun.
Main stream future MMOs will try to emulate WoW carebearism and thats a sad fact.
It's not even an issue of pandering to the carebears, its an issue of dumb down customization, less challenge, and a million games coming out that should be called wow 2.0. I'm a former SWG player and want a sandbox style game, I'll admit that but look at what happened to SWG because of wow. SOE looks at WOW and says item based theme park attraction thats what the consumer wants. I'm not a fan of that system and never will, tell me what does your warlock look like at 60 with the best items and the answer is every other Warlock that is 60 with that raid gear. Then comes PVP, who wins the fight the person with the most skill or the person with the sword of uberness and the best raid gear, we both know the answer.
I play COH now because its not item based it has decent PVP and you can customize til your hearts content. The problem is I still miss the sandbox formula, the crafter community having thousands of variations of items, the not knowing who will win a fight because so many factors come into play.
I tried wow, twice actually, I simply had the feeling I've done this all before and its called FFXI. That to me is what WOW is, a more accessable FFXI. When you walk around FFXI you see a Red Mage and he's wearing his final armor then you see another and he's wearing the same thing you see the pattern.
The community was sort of the other reason I never made it past a month either time I played WOW. I agree with you on this one. The community itself brings the game down for me. To many immature players, to many "O did you see how I pwned that noob lol rofl". I play mmo's to escape these people and WOW puts me in the middle of a pack of them. Granted I know this is not the community as a whole, my muliti game guild has a WOW branch and there are some great guys in there but you all probably understand what I"m saying.
As much as I don't want to give SOE any money I have to say Vanguard may be my next game, its not exactly what i want but its at least taking some chances and until SWG has been redone by Bioware or the next Star Wars comes out its my most likely canidate.
I see your argument, but you cannot hope to cure everyone of their ignorance. You are commended for trying though. Enjoy your game, don't let other people's opinions bother you.
I play WoW and I'm writing off Warhammer Online because I don't care for Mythic Entertainment. I use to be a Mythic Entertainment customer. Let's just say they soured me by making SoE esque changes to DAOC that changed the game to dramatically.
I sure as hell hope that other companies follow Blizzard's example in the way of making game changes. Small incremental changes are so much better than dramatic nerfs or buffs to aspects of the game. This requires planning and testing, something Mythic gets a failing grade for.
Correction, wow is the Burger King of MMO's. If WoW is the best MMORPG ever, then Mcdonalds is the best restaurant ever. Mcdonalds might have sold the most burgers ever, but I will not put that crap in my body more than once every few months. I must admit I got a lot of enjoyment out of WoW, but now I can't believe I played that hakuna matata lion king looking cartoonfest for more than a day.
I wish Blizzard would make a skill based open PVP and PVE game based on the Diablo franchise. With realistic graphics. End rant.
Correction, wow is the Burger King of MMO's. If WoW is the best MMORPG ever, then Mcdonalds is the best restaurant ever. Mcdonalds might have sold the most burgers ever, but I will not put that crap in my body more than once every few months. I must admit I got a lot of enjoyment out of WoW, but now I can't believe I played that hakuna matata lion king looking cartoonfest for more than a day.
I wish Blizzard would make a skill based open PVP and PVE game based on the Diablo franchise. With realistic graphics. End rant.
Mc Donalds is the best resturant ever!
And what happend that made you start hating WoW, did your class get nerfed? I find it funny how many people piost "I really enjoyed WoW until lvl 60" or "I got a lot of enjoyment out of WoW" and then come here and say it's a piece of crap. You enjoyed the game for a while, you got your money's worth, once you got tired of the game you quit paying Blizzard didn't you?
I suggest you go get a Big Mac and play some WoW.
BTW, what game did you go to after WOW?
I sleep with a pillow under my gun.
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I think you miss some of what makes WoW a good game. Sure it did away with a few things that added emersion, but it also brings some changes that were needed.
First, they had an actual solution to grinding. All except the Sim mmos before WoW incorporated some sort of very noticable grind. Now its causing the older ones to try and mask the grind as well or get shutdown, like Gate to Heaven.
Second, it eliminates alot of the repetative and boring tasks in other mmos, such as the death penalty. Some companies were starting to go insane with the death penalty, where if you die once you lose a months worth of exp; and worse yet exp debt. WoW's solution to the Death penalty is not only creative, it also is the second most realistic way to deal with the penalty aside from using perma-death. There are no emmersive elements to respawning dumber in town. However, walking back to your body as a ghost or getting help from a spirit is.
It also made the game actually occur in-game. You don't see people in WoW going to alakhazam to find some obscur answer to a terribly written quest.
I think they succeeded in reworking the mmo genre to be more about fun, then just a job as games were starting to become. I would see games that offered no actual fun elements, but said it was going to emulate Real Life.
I do agree that it has brought some bad things, such as traveling. I like traveling. The problem with every mmo that causes traveling offers no reward for doing so. There are real life benefits to walking then taking a plane, so why don't mmos reward players for walking; such as a small travel exp gain or a walking/running skill that makes you run faster.
It also is a stagnant game when it comes to game features. It doesn't offer anything new, and no new gameplay elements since battle grounds which was suppose to be released with the game.
I think the point is that you don't NEED to go to Allakhazam or Thottbot to finish the quests because it's right there in the quest description. The text in WoW is most of the times very accurate and it all fits in the overlapping story.
Also I agree with the opinion above that WoW is fun and entertaining, even for people that never played a game before.. That might present a bit of a problem for the more experienced and hardcore players, but in the end you're the one who decides who you'll be playing with
ex-WoW addict looking for a new home..
WoW is easy to play. It is fun from 1-60.
At level 60 for you to have fun you either have to:
1) Love Raiding.
2) Love grinding.
3) Love to chat.
4) Love to play BGs.
5) Love to reroll a new character.
I still play WoW, but I'm stuck on #5 and it gets old rerolling new characters over and over.
I got burned out raiding a year ago, and the game does not offer anything to you if you don't do any
of the other four. WoW still boils down to Raid or die. That is a bad idea.
Looking at polls, most players don't like large 40 man raids, and they are lowering new ones to 25 with the expansion. If most of the players are in China and they can't play but for a few hours at a time, how can they complete the newer dungeons?
WoW is designed from 1-60 for the masses, but at 60 it is designed for one type of player "The Grinder".
People that do the same thing over and over week after week are grinders. Whether that is doing the same instances on the same schedule every week or just rep/honor grinding.
All of my friends that play WoW will leave as soon as there is another game that is as fun to play. When will that happen? Who knows?.
Lets take a look at the games that are under the development section.
Honnestly, what games does look like a WoW clone to you.
2moons? Not really
9Dragons? Asian mmorpg, nothing like WoW
Age of Conan? Don't think so.
And I can continue. the only one out of the games under development that IS a WoW clone (trust me on that, I can't say more then that) is Lotro.
also, the theory that all WoW mmorpg players are MMO noobs has NEVER been proven.
WoW is quality, simple as that.
CleffyII:
First, they had an actual solution to grinding. All except the Sim
mmos before WoW incorporated some sort of very noticable grind. Now
its causing the older ones to try and mask the grind as well or get
shutdown, like Gate to Heaven.
Gate of heavens closed down because the company that was hosting the game did not receive any word of developers for quite some time. the shut down had nothing to do with a lack in gameplay or players.
WoW will never get rid of these players that are giving it a growing bad name, I just hope that when WoW dies that these people dont flock to the next big MMO. I hope they just call it a day with MMO's and go back to playing the mindless peice's of crap they were before they started with MMO's.
Current MMO: Nothing
Waiting For: FireFall, GW2
Which FF Character Are You?
I couldnt aggre more with you i personaly have played WoW for bout 4 weeks then quit becasue i liked my past MMO much better... DAoC! I have only had experiance with DAoC and the City of ... games but i find WoW a wait of time and wondered why so many people liked it. I HATE HATE HATE pve with all my heart and thats why i play DAoC cause from lvl 1 you can fight the other realms and start pimpin you gear out. Then when WoW came out the #'s of people playing dropped but then in a year or so they went right back up even more then before cause old DAoC players came back with people bored of WoW. Btw why would you play a game to get to max lvl then get bored? Sounds preety retarded to me when i can kick peoples asses all the way up to 50 in DAoC and then kick peoples asses solo or in groups at 50 and make my guy greater and greater every hour i play him! Wow you got me to get on a rant so i will stop here. But for the future i love DAoC and even this lower pop. then most its earned its rank on the top charts cause its rocks and if it can last WoW then WAR will eather kill it or save it. Only mythic can kill DAoC!
LONG LIVE DAoC!!!
I agree completely, I'm a long time gamer, got my feet wet playing UO in its heyday, years before ea games bought and destroyed it. Unfotunately since then no game has been able to hold a candle to UO in its prime. I've played a good dozen or so mmorpg's since then and they all come up way short. About 2 weeks ago I found a free UO server going back to the rennisiance days and am now playing again. The 1st online game is still the best.
Long live PVP, full looting and pks.
And all the people who played EQ for years don't do the same thing with that game? Yeah they do. "OMG you can't have an MMO with out raiding noob."
People lacked imangination and assume their crap doesn't stink before WoW and now all the peopel playing WoW do it too.