it's not bs guys it's all true we have all been upbeat about the future i believe the most commont topic is when will the nge be pulled or when will a pre cu rollback occur
No negative feedback it is also true because it gets pulled 10 seconds after posting by those very helpful csrs that make sure John smedley never hears anything bad about any of there games.
Gained new players yes but they lsot a lot of there existing custom and so far in the tim i stuck around since nge have had a hard time retaining players for more than the time it takes them to achieve cl90 or get fed up on farstar server.
So in fairness the guy ain't lieing he's merely bending the truth. Not much worse than your average politician.
Take this game as a case study on how not to run a game or a custom facing company.
You can't blame mmorpg.com for playing neutral on a topic as controversial as this. If they "represent the customers" and burn SOE, they loose contacts in the gaming industry in fear of being publicly torched a simliar way. Then ultimately the reader base here suffers since less developers are willing to chat.
So really just chill. It doesn't matter anyway. $OE sucks. They don't listen to their player base & they lie. Everybody knows it.
You can blame them as their job isn't to play neutral, it's to get the real info for us, the readers. The only problem with a site like this is that they don't charge us for the info, so they have to charge advertisers. What ads do you see most on here? SOE ads!
Having said that, SWG probably is their biggest gainer as all the other ones aren't gaining much at all. Saying it's their biggest gainer is in NO way saying it has the highest population, or a high one at all. They didn't say how many people left (me) because of the changes, but simply how many are joining the ranks.
What amazes me more than anything is that SOE actually THOUGHT it would be ok to comletely change the damn game! Even if the game ended up better, which it didn't, I bought SWG because of how it was at the time, not because I wanted a different game.
Use your head, create SWG 2 and leave SWG the hell alone morons.
This is the single most pathetic crapload of BS i have ever seen in a long time... And you call yourselves "journalists" ? Come on guys, i too have totally lost my trust in you... How can you let this dude form SOE blatantly lie to your face and get away with it ? Everybody knows that players have massively left their stupid useless kiddie game, everybody knows they delete any post on their forum that doesnt say "thank God for the NGE", everybody knows they use their 10-day free trial to let some of you think that they still have subscribers, hell they even e-mailed me and tried to make me come back to their worthless game by offering me a free month of playing !!! But you know what ? I, unlike you, have some balls, so there was no way i was gonna let them think for a single second i would buy their BS. Any serious journalist would have done just the same, i'm so sorry to see your absolute lack of reaction... Did you get out of this breakfast with an "iconic and exciting" SWG toy or something ? Jesus Christ...
Originally posted by Lepidus Unfortunately, it's a year later and no matter what we do with SOE, we cannot do right in some people's eyes short of yelling at them and calling them names. We try to be balanced, but what many seem to think we should be doing is not that at all.
We aren't talking about balance. We are talking about what is right and what is wrong. Whay SOE does is practice unethical business. I would have posted in this thread sooner but I've been logged in as BigDogofBria on the soe forums doing my best to corner these guys with stone cold logic. They deserved to be yelled at and called names. The took something away from there customers, most of us who are passionate caring and intelligent human beings, that was very special. Anyone who played swg in it's heyday will tell you how special it was, how many friends we made through it, how much real life stress it allowed us to allieviate.
I've been posting like this on the Bria forums all day. I've been making posts like these since the CU. No profanity or name calling. Stone cold logic from a heartfelt fan. I've just been banned of course. Frankly I don't understand why I've been allowed to post for this long I cancelled my acount the week before the CU.
I respect this website. I've sung it's praises in other posts. And you guys have told it like it is about sony since the CU. Anyone can see that. More, however, is needed. Online gaming is important to all of us or else these games and this site wouldn't exist. Sony has stolen our money and our time and I would like to see more third party sites like this make some bolder choices in regards as to who they work with and advertise for. Right now you seem to be making compromises for the sake of business. You know you website shouldn't have anything to do with these guys Dana. They are a detriment to gaming and the gaming community and you are betraying us and the spirit of this site, which is something I know you care about, when you publish their lies.
Everyone knows soe is a shitty company, no denying it. mmorpg.com to stop wasting their time with them when all they do is lie. Only articles about soe should be about how how crappy their games are and what a bunch of dick heads they are.
Originally posted by dishmal You can blame them as their job isn't to play neutral, it's to get the real info for us, the readers. The only problem with a site like this is that they don't charge us for the info, so they have to charge advertisers. What ads do you see most on here? SOE ads!
Having said that, SWG probably is their biggest gainer as all the other ones aren't gaining much at all. Saying it's their biggest gainer is in NO way saying it has the highest population, or a high one at all. They didn't say how many people left (me) because of the changes, but simply how many are joining the ranks. What amazes me more than anything is that SOE actually THOUGHT it would be ok to comletely change the damn game! Even if the game ended up better, which it didn't, I bought SWG because of how it was at the time, not because I wanted a different game. Use your head, create SWG 2 and leave SWG the hell alone morons.
If all MMORPG.com is about is spewign whatever BS the developers need spewed then it offers NOTHING to the gaming community. I mean who would read the NY Times ro Wall Street Journal if all they did was print what others told them without vettting the information or investigating and confirming reality. Couple this patter with the way they pad reviews and it is simply apparent that MMORPG.com exists for one reason, as a marketting vehicle for edvelopers meaning it is just one big stinking ad and useless as a gaming news site.
Why don't you go ahead and adopt SOE's forum policies too, and then you won't have to worry about these petty complaints of pandering to SOE's lies. Because, deleting/locking/banning criticism and complaint threads = positive feedback now. Brilliant follow up there guys...
Really Lep.. wtf was that? Knowing what you know about SOE and the SWG debacle, how do you let this stuff go? That's two softball articles on SOE and the SWG bit. Just do us all a favor and not report on SWG at all.. it would be better than seeing you being used as a conduit for their BS spin.
In late winter through early spring, SWG was one of SOE's biggest gainers in terms of new players to a live game, coming through both the trials and through new software purchases,” said Chris Kramer, Director of Corporate Communications.
“We’ve had great responses from the players. The last two patches were player initiated bug fixes and lingering issues. The Expertise system is going in and has been well received,” added Jason Ryan, the Events Manager for SWG.
i feel that we shouldnt be bashing MMORPG.com, but that we should be bashing on the ppl who post on these forums. they are idiots. all im reading is nonsense from u guys. u have no proof that what they say are lies, but yet u say they do. u say SOE is a crappy company, yet they draw alot of ppl to thier games. and they are great games too. u say SOE cares nothing about the customer, yet the NGE was to make the game more appealing to the current player base, and bring new ppl to the game. sure, it didnt go as they planned, but why bash em for a mistake they made. they add regular updates to many of thier games to make more options for fun. some ppl claim that they dont listen to customer feedback. read the article, they said they added alot of updates from customer feedback. all u ppl need to pull ur heads outta ur ass, and quit posting nonsense garbage that probably isnt even true.
all the crying, whining, and false claims against SOE makes me glad u play other games, and not SOE games.
Originally posted by Maddthwips i feel that we shouldnt be bashing MMORPG.com, but that we should be bashing on the ppl who post on these forums. they are idiots. all im reading is nonsense from u guys. u have no proof that what they say are lies, but yet u say they do. u say SOE is a crappy company, yet they draw alot of ppl to thier games. and they are great games too. u say SOE cares nothing about the customer, yet the NGE was to make the game more appealing to the current player base, and bring new ppl to the game. sure, it didnt go as they planned, but why bash em for a mistake they made. they add regular updates to many of thier games to make more options for fun. some ppl claim that they dont listen to customer feedback. read the article, they said they added alot of updates from customer feedback. all u ppl need to pull ur heads outta ur ass, and quit posting nonsense garbage that probably isnt even true. all the crying, whining, and false claims against SOE makes me glad u play other games, and not SOE games.
“Players have been very upbeat on the forums and the questions are mostly about the future and what the game is about moving forward,” added Alan Crosby, Director of Community Relations.
so now 12 people is very upbeat? yeah i bet there was great responses when all the people who hvae spoken out have been banned
Originally posted by Unagi Originally posted by BigDogofBria
Certified Card Carrying Sony Stooge FTL
Is that a sample of your "stone cold" logic?
Alright. I'll bring it.
i feel that we shouldnt be bashing MMORPG.com, but that we should be bashing on the ppl who post on these forums. they are idiots. I'm not an idiot. all im reading is nonsense from u guys. My posts aren't nonsense I have a legitmate grievence with this company as a consumer. u have no proof that what they say are lies, I have proof. They said that people were being positve on the forums. They aren't and haven't been since the cu. Go read the bria forums this week if you don't believe me. but yet u say they do. u say SOE is a crappy company, They are. yet they draw alot of ppl to thier games. No they don't their numbers are less than one half of what they were a year ago. and they are great games too. No they don't they facilitate online access. LA developed SWG. u say SOE cares nothing about the customer, They don't. I'm a customer and I'm hear to tell you they could care less about me. yet the NGE was to make the game more appealing to the current player base, What about loyalty to the original player base who loved this game an by paying to play allowed it to stay live for the first two years? and bring new ppl to the game. You mean to make cash grabs. sure, it didnt go as they planned, It went exactly as planned. They released expansions to coincide with the RotS theatrical release and then the DVD therebye having a product in stores to make money when people are buzzed about sw and making unfounded purchases. It's actually pretty smart business. Unethical, but smart. And btw Sony annouced before launch that there would NOT be pay to play expansions for swg. Thay all future content would be covered by the monthly fee. That's a huge lie right there. but why bash em for a mistake they made. Because they lied and stole from me and a great deal of others and that is unacceptable. they add regular updates to many of thier games to make more options for fun. Even the people who still play dont think this game is fun! Read the forums! some ppl claim that they dont listen to customer feedback.They don't! How many people signed that petition to bring back pre-cu? Smedley came out and said 'we've read it and we aren't going to do anything about it'. read the article, they said they added alot of updates from customer feedback. Lies, lies lies! all u ppl need to pull ur heads outta ur ass, and quit posting nonsense garbage that probably isnt even true. My head is not up my ass I have a clear understanding of what has happened here and I have a right to be irate about it. The only nonsense I see posted is by Sony and their hired thugs.
all the crying, whining, and false claims against SOE makes me glad u play other games, and not SOE games.
You can't argue with what I've said, because what I've said is true. However you'd have to read what I've said to even try and argue and I know you won't.
Originally posted by BigDogofBria Originally posted by Unagi Originally posted by BigDogofBria
Certified Card Carrying Sony Stooge FTL
Is that a sample of your "stone cold" logic?
Alright. I'll bring it.
i feel that we shouldnt be bashing MMORPG.com, but that we should be bashing on the ppl who post on these forums. they are idiots. I'm not an idiot. all im reading is nonsense from u guys. My posts aren't nonsense I have a legitmate grievence with this company as a consumer. u have no proof that what they say are lies, I have proof. They said that people were being positve on the forums. They aren't and haven't been since the cu. Go read the bria forums this week if you don't believe me. but yet u say they do. u say SOE is a crappy company, They are. yet they draw alot of ppl to thier games. No they don't their numbers are less than one half of what they were a year ago. and they are great games too. No they don't they facilitate online access. LA developed SWG. u say SOE cares nothing about the customer, They don't. I'm a customer and I'm hear to tell you they could care less about me. yet the NGE was to make the game more appealing to the current player base, What about loyalty to the original player base who loved this game an by paying to play allowed it to stay live for the first two years? and bring new ppl to the game. You mean to make cash grabs. sure, it didnt go as they planned, It went exactly as planned. They released expansions to coincide with the RotS theatrical release and then the DVD therebye having a product in stores to make money when people are buzzed about sw and making unfounded purchases. It's actually pretty smart business. Unethical, but smart. And btw Sony annouced before launch that there would NOT be pay to play expansions for swg. Thay all future content would be covered by the monthly fee. That's a huge lie right there. but why bash em for a mistake they made. Because they lied and stole from me and a great deal of others and that is unacceptable. they add regular updates to many of thier games to make more options for fun. Even the people who still play dont think this game is fun! Read the forums! some ppl claim that they dont listen to customer feedback.They don't! How many people signed that petition to bring back pre-cu? Smedley came out and said 'we've read it and we aren't going to do anything about it'. read the article, they said they added alot of updates from customer feedback. Lies, lies lies! all u ppl need to pull ur heads outta ur ass, and quit posting nonsense garbage that probably isnt even true. My head is not up my ass I have a clear understanding of what has happened here and I have a right to be irate about it. The only nonsense I see posted is by Sony and their hired thugs.
all the crying, whining, and false claims against SOE makes me glad u play other games, and not SOE games.
You can't argue with what I've said, because what I've said is true. However you'd have to read what I've said to even try and argue and I know you won't.
heh, soe lied and stole what from u exactly? and keep in mind most of what i wrote was directed at SOE the company, not at SWG. read it again, maybe SWG has lost half its player base, but not all the other MMORPGs. and the ppl that play arent having any fun? tells u the intelligence of those ppl. playing a game they dont like. goto any games forums, u will find pissed off ppl there too. ppl like to advertise that they are mad about a game, and ur one of em. just so we are clear on this, u do know that SOE has other games, right? not just SWG, this topic isnt only about SWG.
BigDogofBria, if ya dont like SWG, dont play it, i dont. there are plenty of other games out there to play, so try em. i didnt like SWG when it first came out. but for u to call SOE a liar, with no proof, is just nonsense. so i see no stone cold logic in anything u posted. i see it one way, and u see it another way, ur so mad at a game company that u think SOE is all about lies, and deception, and hating their customers and worshipping satan, and punching handicap kids in the face. SOE is not a bad company, just has a bad rep. yea, they screwed up SWG for the original players, but thats a mistake they will have to deal with, move on, let it go.
Originally posted by Maddthwips i feel that we shouldnt be bashing MMORPG.com, but that we should be bashing on the ppl who post on these forums. they are idiots. all im reading is nonsense from u guys. u have no proof that what they say are lies, but yet u say they do. u say SOE is a crappy company, yet they draw alot of ppl to thier games. and they are great games too. u say SOE cares nothing about the customer, yet the NGE was to make the game more appealing to the current player base, and bring new ppl to the game. sure, it didnt go as they planned, but why bash em for a mistake they made. they add regular updates to many of thier games to make more options for fun. some ppl claim that they dont listen to customer feedback. read the article, they said they added alot of updates from customer feedback. all u ppl need to pull ur heads outta ur ass, and quit posting nonsense garbage that probably isnt even true. all the crying, whining, and false claims against SOE makes me glad u play other games, and not SOE games.
You are a lost soul. NGE was made to appeal to the current player base? Yes...the one it has currently, not the 250,000 that USED to play SWG. SOE ADMITTED they were willing to lose those subscribers in order to achieve a larger market share. If you don't see that as not only slimy, but poor business sense, you should probably be wearing a white jacket with sleeves that tie in the back.
SOE DID NOT CARE FOR 250,000 of the customers with the NGE, and they admitted it. What more proof of their lack of caring do you need? When they finally change the NGE out for something else, you will feel the same way and I for one will personally laugh at your misfortune.
THEY ALSO SAID "The CU is here to stay". At the very same time they were working on the NGE to replace it. That, for those of you too retarded to recognize it as such IS A BLATANT LIE. Offering special content for Creature Handlers in an expansion and then killing the profession within the SAME WEEK is a LIE AND FRAUD. Even SOE's lawyers recognized this and forced their bosses to offer refunds.
SOE cares? SOE does not lie?
I realize I said I quit. I never said it was forever
SOE has been caught red handed in at least three lies conerning Star Wars Galaxies. It's a proven fact and, hell, they even admitted to "their mistakes" in several summit meetings on "what not to do to a MMO."
While I do enjoy EQ2, I have to say, that I do not trust SOE or the developers of any game they make. I sorta play EQ2 as if it is a timebomb.....any day, they can do a 180 on ya, and you'll be screwed; all for the sake of money or their perception of money.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
[sarcasm]oh, im sorry, ur right, SOE is the worst company on the planet. they are liars and should be hated by all.[/sarcasm]
sorry, but im not gonna see ur way of things. what company doesnt lie in reality? u dont know what happened behind the scenes to make them change what they did. maybe LA told them to do it. do u not remember that it was LA that pushed SOE to release SWG before it was ready? at least thats what i heard. my thought on this is u guys dont play the game anymore, so why do u care? u want to advertise to other ppl who are thinking about playing it, to not play it? u want to be reassured by other ppl who feel the same way as u do? u like to rant about crap?
the bottom line is, i have never had an issue will SOE personally, in fact i sent out a petition in EQ2 the other day, and was replied to immediately. im goin to say it, prepare to get mad, SOE has great customer service. so u guys have had bad experiences with them, ok, ill understand that, but ur condemning SOE for SWG, last i checked it wasnt only SOE on the opening credits to make the game. like i said earlier, goto any games forums, look at the amount of pissed off ppl there. u cant make everyone happy, u should know that. u ppl are the group that isnt happy. I, at this time, am happy with SOE and what they do, who knows what the future may bring. but i doubt they will do that ever again.
Originally posted by Maddthwips u want to advertise to other ppl who are thinking about playing it, to not play it?
Yes, exactly. Remember that line from "When Harry Met Sally" : "i want my friends to benefit from the wisdom of my experience" We want to tell the people who are thinking about playing this game that it is nothing as SOE advertises it, nothing like what it used to be, and that it's now a crappy game made for 10-year-old-XBox-playing kids. And, more importantly, that the developers from SOE dont have a single clue about what they're doing with their game, so if you start playing SWG now, you should know that you will end up playing a completely different game in a few months. So, yes, we want to tell the people that it's not worth paying a monthly fee to beta-test an ever-changing game.
My thoughts on $OE The Game is dead, The numbers they mention are lies. Any forum post they refeer too is from some 12 year old noob who coulden't comprehend the indepth world we the so called "elders" created.
Bottom line as I see it $OE stabed us all in the back, destroyed all we grinded for 2 + years, laughed at any of us whom purchased pre-releases (trials-Obi-wan especially) All who loved and created the SWG communities are long gone.
I e-bayed my toons and some dumbass noob paid me large for my toon and deserted city. I would grind it all over again for pre-cu ya think $OE would have the decency to give the people who really filled their paychecks what we asked for at least 1 pre-cu server cause no one wanted the crap that is SWG.. Noooooo here's a useless crystal and a robe for destroying the thousands of dollars each and countless hrs in-game
Whilst I agree there is a lot of people who will be anti-SOE whatever is said, the pro-SOE stance of MMORPG.com has been obvious for a number of years.
Wonder who pays the bills...
Now playing: VG (after a long break from MMORPGS) Played for more than a month: Darkfall online, Vanguard SOH, Everquest, Horizons, WoW, SWG, Everquest II, Eve
When I read the title, it made me want to take a shower. The idea of breaking bread with SOE just feels dirty.
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My thoughts on $OE The Game is dead, The numbers they mention are lies. Any forum post they refeer too is from some 12 year old noob who coulden't comprehend the indepth world we the so called "elders" created.
Bottom line as I see it $OE stabed us all in the back, destroyed all we grinded for 2 + years, laughed at any of us whom purchased pre-releases (trials-Obi-wan especially) All who loved and created the SWG communities are long gone.
I e-bayed my toons and some dumbass noob paid me large for my toon and deserted city. I would grind it all over again for pre-cu ya think $OE would have the decency to give the people who really filled their paychecks what we asked for at least 1 pre-cu server cause no one wanted the crap that is SWG.. Noooooo here's a useless crystal and a robe for destroying the thousands of dollars each and countless hrs in-game
[sarcasm]oh, im sorry, ur right, SOE is the worst company on the planet. they are liars and should be hated by all.[/sarcasm] I don't think that was the issue at hand. You were saying SOE did not lie. Now you are saying they lie but everybody else does. Pick an argument please.
sorry, but im not gonna see ur way of things. There's a real surprise.
what company doesnt lie in reality? The one I own half of for one. An example would be when a customer finds a bug and asks me if I tested the software before I installed it. My answer is not spin. I state, "I did testing and obviously it was not sufficient to catch this particular issue. Either I did not test this feature, or I simply misinterpreted the results of that test."
I have happy customers as a result and don't fear losing them. We get great word of mouth. It's an amazing concept really, one that like you said, is not followed much. But the fact not many companies tell the truth is not an excuse for some of the horrendous lies SOE has spewed forth.
u dont know what happened behind the scenes to make them change what they did. maybe LA told them to do it. do u not remember that it was LA that pushed SOE to release SWG before it was ready? at least thats what i heard. That's what I heard = hearsay. Assumption. And totally irrelevant. A lie is a lie, plain and simple, no matter what your motive is. Even if LA told them to release before ready, they still had the option to do the right thing: Tell them no.
LA would have a hard time pulling a signed legal agreement because SOE insisted on doing something ethically, and it would squarely put the finger of blame on them instead of SOE. They'd never have killed the game off because SOE said "no" to an artifical deadline. Too much money and corporate image would be lost.
But SOE has neither balls or ethics so this did not occur. The problem is there are too many evil cowards in business not willing to behave ethically.
my thought on this is u guys dont play the game anymore, so why do u care? u want to advertise to other ppl who are thinking about playing it, to not play it? u want to be reassured by other ppl who feel the same way as u do? u like to rant about crap? I played the game until they told me in no uncertain terms that I was no longer a wanted customer. When a customer tells you why they are dissatisifed in a polite manner while following the rules you posted and you tell them to "shut up" (which is what a forum ban amounts to), you deserve all the hatred SOE is getting. There are posters on forums that want to know others' opinions on the game, good or bad. They deserve the very answers they ask for, not filtered by rose colored SOE Fanboi glasses.
the bottom line is, i have never had an issue will SOE personally, in fact i sent out a petition in EQ2 the other day, and was replied to immediately. I have had good and bad experiences with their customer service myself. I'm happy you have never experienced the bad or stupid side of SOE. Be patient though, ask for help enough times and you will experience the worst. Have faith.
If you're happy with the game, I for one am very happy for you. But please, do not come on here making statements that SOE doesn't lie and don't ask people like me to shut up because you do not like what we have to say. Everything you have said is from your perspective and disproves nothing. "I have never had an issue with SOE personally" does not change what has happened to HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of others. Choose to believe them or not, but you go too far in calling them Liars just because you have not experienced the evil of SOE.
Please enjoy your game and ignore us.
I realize I said I quit. I never said it was forever
Like many others, I played SWG from its release. I was a creature handler and pikeman for those few years, and never changed my professions. After waiting all that time for promised changes to my useless class, I was then optimistic to see they implemented a new pet experience system to train our creatures as we see fit. Immediately after this, the preorder for the expansion came... and like all creature handlers I purchased it because they specifically lured our class with new creatures to tame (for the first time) and an item to expand our level limit. The very next day after the release of the expansion, I was told both my professions would no longer exist in two weeks time. This is only one small example of how the secret "New Game Enhancements" came like a knife in the back...
No established MMORPG company has tricked and deceived its player base to this extent ever. I do not think the ex-SWG players should judge MMORPG.com so harshly on this, but we have every right to criticize SOE for their crooked business practices. I have gotten over my personal anger, but I am happy to see how others will not let the issue rest. The MMORPG industry needs higher standards in general, and SOE should never be able to live down what they have done. Otherwise they will continue to lead customers like the blind , and other companies will follow suite. We may often sound like spurned ex-lovers, but the ex-SWG player base is strong in its numbers and its convictions... and we have every right to voice it.
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it's not bs guys it's all true we have all been upbeat about the future i believe the most commont topic is when will the nge be pulled or when will a pre cu rollback occur
No negative feedback it is also true because it gets pulled 10 seconds after posting by those very helpful csrs that make sure John smedley never hears anything bad about any of there games.
Gained new players yes but they lsot a lot of there existing custom and so far in the tim i stuck around since nge have had a hard time retaining players for more than the time it takes them to achieve cl90 or get fed up on farstar server.
So in fairness the guy ain't lieing he's merely bending the truth. Not much worse than your average politician.
Take this game as a case study on how not to run a game or a custom facing company.
You can't blame mmorpg.com for playing neutral on a topic as controversial as this. If they "represent the customers" and burn SOE, they loose contacts in the gaming industry in fear of being publicly torched a simliar way. Then ultimately the reader base here suffers since less developers are willing to chat.
So really just chill. It doesn't matter anyway. $OE sucks. They don't listen to their player base & they lie. Everybody knows it.
You can blame them as their job isn't to play neutral, it's to get the real info for us, the readers. The only problem with a site like this is that they don't charge us for the info, so they have to charge advertisers. What ads do you see most on here? SOE ads!
Having said that, SWG probably is their biggest gainer as all the other ones aren't gaining much at all. Saying it's their biggest gainer is in NO way saying it has the highest population, or a high one at all. They didn't say how many people left (me) because of the changes, but simply how many are joining the ranks.
What amazes me more than anything is that SOE actually THOUGHT it would be ok to comletely change the damn game! Even if the game ended up better, which it didn't, I bought SWG because of how it was at the time, not because I wanted a different game.
Use your head, create SWG 2 and leave SWG the hell alone morons.
This is the single most pathetic crapload of BS i have ever seen in a long time...
And you call yourselves "journalists" ?
Come on guys, i too have totally lost my trust in you... How can you let this dude form SOE blatantly lie to your face and get away with it ?
Everybody knows that players have massively left their stupid useless kiddie game, everybody knows they delete any post on their forum that doesnt say "thank God for the NGE", everybody knows they use their 10-day free trial to let some of you think that they still have subscribers, hell they even e-mailed me and tried to make me come back to their worthless game by offering me a free month of playing !!!
But you know what ? I, unlike you, have some balls, so there was no way i was gonna let them think for a single second i would buy their BS.
Any serious journalist would have done just the same, i'm so sorry to see your absolute lack of reaction... Did you get out of this breakfast with an "iconic and exciting" SWG toy or something ? Jesus Christ...
We aren't talking about balance. We are talking about what is right and what is wrong. Whay SOE does is practice unethical business. I would have posted in this thread sooner but I've been logged in as BigDogofBria on the soe forums doing my best to corner these guys with stone cold logic. They deserved to be yelled at and called names. The took something away from there customers, most of us who are passionate caring and intelligent human beings, that was very special. Anyone who played swg in it's heyday will tell you how special it was, how many friends we made through it, how much real life stress it allowed us to allieviate.
I've been posting like this on the Bria forums all day. I've been making posts like these since the CU. No profanity or name calling. Stone cold logic from a heartfelt fan. I've just been banned of course. Frankly I don't understand why I've been allowed to post for this long I cancelled my acount the week before the CU.
I respect this website. I've sung it's praises in other posts. And you guys have told it like it is about sony since the CU. Anyone can see that. More, however, is needed. Online gaming is important to all of us or else these games and this site wouldn't exist. Sony has stolen our money and our time and I would like to see more third party sites like this make some bolder choices in regards as to who they work with and advertise for. Right now you seem to be making compromises for the sake of business. You know you website shouldn't have anything to do with these guys Dana. They are a detriment to gaming and the gaming community and you are betraying us and the spirit of this site, which is something I know you care about, when you publish their lies.
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Really Lep.. wtf was that? Knowing what you know about SOE and the SWG debacle, how do you let this stuff go? That's two softball articles on SOE and the SWG bit. Just do us all a favor and not report on SWG at all.. it would be better than seeing you being used as a conduit for their BS spin.
just read this:
In late winter through early spring, SWG was one of SOE's biggest gainers in terms of new players to a live game, coming through both the trials and through new software purchases,” said Chris Kramer, Director of Corporate Communications.
“We’ve had great responses from the players. The last two patches were player initiated bug fixes and lingering issues. The Expertise system is going in and has been well received,” added Jason Ryan, the Events Manager for SWG.
What a bull####
Liar Liar
i feel that we shouldnt be bashing MMORPG.com, but that we should be bashing on the ppl who post on these forums. they are idiots. all im reading is nonsense from u guys. u have no proof that what they say are lies, but yet u say they do. u say SOE is a crappy company, yet they draw alot of ppl to thier games. and they are great games too. u say SOE cares nothing about the customer, yet the NGE was to make the game more appealing to the current player base, and bring new ppl to the game. sure, it didnt go as they planned, but why bash em for a mistake they made. they add regular updates to many of thier games to make more options for fun. some ppl claim that they dont listen to customer feedback. read the article, they said they added alot of updates from customer feedback. all u ppl need to pull ur heads outta ur ass, and quit posting nonsense garbage that probably isnt even true.
all the crying, whining, and false claims against SOE makes me glad u play other games, and not SOE games.
mostly about the future and what the game is about moving forward,”
added Alan Crosby, Director of Community Relations.
so now 12 people is very upbeat? yeah i bet there was great responses when all the people who hvae spoken out have been banned
Alright. I'll bring it.
i feel that we shouldnt be bashing MMORPG.com, but that we should be bashing on the ppl who post on these forums. they are idiots. I'm not an idiot. all im reading is nonsense from u guys. My posts aren't nonsense I have a legitmate grievence with this company as a consumer. u have no proof that what they say are lies, I have proof. They said that people were being positve on the forums. They aren't and haven't been since the cu. Go read the bria forums this week if you don't believe me. but yet u say they do. u say SOE is a crappy company, They are. yet they draw alot of ppl to thier games. No they don't their numbers are less than one half of what they were a year ago. and they are great games too. No they don't they facilitate online access. LA developed SWG. u say SOE cares nothing about the customer, They don't. I'm a customer and I'm hear to tell you they could care less about me. yet the NGE was to make the game more appealing to the current player base, What about loyalty to the original player base who loved this game an by paying to play allowed it to stay live for the first two years? and bring new ppl to the game. You mean to make cash grabs. sure, it didnt go as they planned, It went exactly as planned. They released expansions to coincide with the RotS theatrical release and then the DVD therebye having a product in stores to make money when people are buzzed about sw and making unfounded purchases. It's actually pretty smart business. Unethical, but smart. And btw Sony annouced before launch that there would NOT be pay to play expansions for swg. Thay all future content would be covered by the monthly fee. That's a huge lie right there. but why bash em for a mistake they made. Because they lied and stole from me and a great deal of others and that is unacceptable. they add regular updates to many of thier games to make more options for fun. Even the people who still play dont think this game is fun! Read the forums! some ppl claim that they dont listen to customer feedback.They don't! How many people signed that petition to bring back pre-cu? Smedley came out and said 'we've read it and we aren't going to do anything about it'. read the article, they said they added alot of updates from customer feedback. Lies, lies lies! all u ppl need to pull ur heads outta ur ass, and quit posting nonsense garbage that probably isnt even true. My head is not up my ass I have a clear understanding of what has happened here and I have a right to be irate about it. The only nonsense I see posted is by Sony and their hired thugs.
all the crying, whining, and false claims against SOE makes me glad u play other games, and not SOE games.
You can't argue with what I've said, because what I've said is true. However you'd have to read what I've said to even try and argue and I know you won't.
Alright. I'll bring it.
i feel that we shouldnt be bashing MMORPG.com, but that we should be bashing on the ppl who post on these forums. they are idiots. I'm not an idiot. all im reading is nonsense from u guys. My posts aren't nonsense I have a legitmate grievence with this company as a consumer. u have no proof that what they say are lies, I have proof. They said that people were being positve on the forums. They aren't and haven't been since the cu. Go read the bria forums this week if you don't believe me. but yet u say they do. u say SOE is a crappy company, They are. yet they draw alot of ppl to thier games. No they don't their numbers are less than one half of what they were a year ago. and they are great games too. No they don't they facilitate online access. LA developed SWG. u say SOE cares nothing about the customer, They don't. I'm a customer and I'm hear to tell you they could care less about me. yet the NGE was to make the game more appealing to the current player base, What about loyalty to the original player base who loved this game an by paying to play allowed it to stay live for the first two years? and bring new ppl to the game. You mean to make cash grabs. sure, it didnt go as they planned, It went exactly as planned. They released expansions to coincide with the RotS theatrical release and then the DVD therebye having a product in stores to make money when people are buzzed about sw and making unfounded purchases. It's actually pretty smart business. Unethical, but smart. And btw Sony annouced before launch that there would NOT be pay to play expansions for swg. Thay all future content would be covered by the monthly fee. That's a huge lie right there. but why bash em for a mistake they made. Because they lied and stole from me and a great deal of others and that is unacceptable. they add regular updates to many of thier games to make more options for fun. Even the people who still play dont think this game is fun! Read the forums! some ppl claim that they dont listen to customer feedback.They don't! How many people signed that petition to bring back pre-cu? Smedley came out and said 'we've read it and we aren't going to do anything about it'. read the article, they said they added alot of updates from customer feedback. Lies, lies lies! all u ppl need to pull ur heads outta ur ass, and quit posting nonsense garbage that probably isnt even true. My head is not up my ass I have a clear understanding of what has happened here and I have a right to be irate about it. The only nonsense I see posted is by Sony and their hired thugs.
all the crying, whining, and false claims against SOE makes me glad u play other games, and not SOE games.
You can't argue with what I've said, because what I've said is true. However you'd have to read what I've said to even try and argue and I know you won't.
heh, soe lied and stole what from u exactly? and keep in mind most of what i wrote was directed at SOE the company, not at SWG. read it again, maybe SWG has lost half its player base, but not all the other MMORPGs. and the ppl that play arent having any fun? tells u the intelligence of those ppl. playing a game they dont like. goto any games forums, u will find pissed off ppl there too. ppl like to advertise that they are mad about a game, and ur one of em. just so we are clear on this, u do know that SOE has other games, right? not just SWG, this topic isnt only about SWG.
BigDogofBria, if ya dont like SWG, dont play it, i dont. there are plenty of other games out there to play, so try em. i didnt like SWG when it first came out. but for u to call SOE a liar, with no proof, is just nonsense. so i see no stone cold logic in anything u posted. i see it one way, and u see it another way, ur so mad at a game company that u think SOE is all about lies, and deception, and hating their customers and worshipping satan, and punching handicap kids in the face. SOE is not a bad company, just has a bad rep. yea, they screwed up SWG for the original players, but thats a mistake they will have to deal with, move on, let it go.
sorry for the bad grammar, in a hurry.
You are a lost soul. NGE was made to appeal to the current player base? Yes...the one it has currently, not the 250,000 that USED to play SWG. SOE ADMITTED they were willing to lose those subscribers in order to achieve a larger market share. If you don't see that as not only slimy, but poor business sense, you should probably be wearing a white jacket with sleeves that tie in the back.
SOE DID NOT CARE FOR 250,000 of the customers with the NGE, and they admitted it. What more proof of their lack of caring do you need? When they finally change the NGE out for something else, you will feel the same way and I for one will personally laugh at your misfortune.
THEY ALSO SAID "The CU is here to stay". At the very same time they were working on the NGE to replace it. That, for those of you too retarded to recognize it as such IS A BLATANT LIE. Offering special content for Creature Handlers in an expansion and then killing the profession within the SAME WEEK is a LIE AND FRAUD. Even SOE's lawyers recognized this and forced their bosses to offer refunds.
SOE cares? SOE does not lie?
I realize I said I quit. I never said it was forever
I have to agree with Jrscott with that one.
SOE has been caught red handed in at least three lies conerning Star Wars Galaxies. It's a proven fact and, hell, they even admitted to "their mistakes" in several summit meetings on "what not to do to a MMO."
While I do enjoy EQ2, I have to say, that I do not trust SOE or the developers of any game they make. I sorta play EQ2 as if it is a timebomb.....any day, they can do a 180 on ya, and you'll be screwed; all for the sake of money or their perception of money.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
[sarcasm]oh, im sorry, ur right, SOE is the worst company on the planet. they are liars and should be hated by all.[/sarcasm]
sorry, but im not gonna see ur way of things. what company doesnt lie in reality? u dont know what happened behind the scenes to make them change what they did. maybe LA told them to do it. do u not remember that it was LA that pushed SOE to release SWG before it was ready? at least thats what i heard. my thought on this is u guys dont play the game anymore, so why do u care? u want to advertise to other ppl who are thinking about playing it, to not play it? u want to be reassured by other ppl who feel the same way as u do? u like to rant about crap?
the bottom line is, i have never had an issue will SOE personally, in fact i sent out a petition in EQ2 the other day, and was replied to immediately. im goin to say it, prepare to get mad, SOE has great customer service. so u guys have had bad experiences with them, ok, ill understand that, but ur condemning SOE for SWG, last i checked it wasnt only SOE on the opening credits to make the game. like i said earlier, goto any games forums, look at the amount of pissed off ppl there. u cant make everyone happy, u should know that. u ppl are the group that isnt happy. I, at this time, am happy with SOE and what they do, who knows what the future may bring. but i doubt they will do that ever again.
Yes, exactly.
Remember that line from "When Harry Met Sally" : "i want my friends to benefit from the wisdom of my experience"
We want to tell the people who are thinking about playing this game that it is nothing as SOE advertises it, nothing like what it used to be, and that it's now a crappy game made for 10-year-old-XBox-playing kids.
And, more importantly, that the developers from SOE dont have a single clue about what they're doing with their game, so if you start playing SWG now, you should know that you will end up playing a completely different game in a few months.
So, yes, we want to tell the people that it's not worth paying a monthly fee to beta-test an ever-changing game.
Bottom line as I see it $OE stabed us all in the back, destroyed all we grinded for 2 + years, laughed at any of us whom purchased pre-releases (trials-Obi-wan especially) All who loved and created the SWG communities are long gone.
I e-bayed my toons and some dumbass noob paid me large for my toon and deserted city. I would grind it all over again for pre-cu ya think $OE would have the decency to give the people who really filled their paychecks what we asked for at least 1 pre-cu server cause no one wanted the crap that is SWG.. Noooooo here's a useless crystal and a robe for destroying the thousands of dollars each and countless hrs in-game
R.I.P. SWG FAREWELL MY OLD FRIENDS AND ENEMIES
Whilst I agree there is a lot of people who will be anti-SOE whatever is said, the pro-SOE stance of MMORPG.com has been obvious for a number of years.
Wonder who pays the bills...
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Bottom line as I see it $OE stabed us all in the back, destroyed all we grinded for 2 + years, laughed at any of us whom purchased pre-releases (trials-Obi-wan especially) All who loved and created the SWG communities are long gone.
I e-bayed my toons and some dumbass noob paid me large for my toon and deserted city. I would grind it all over again for pre-cu ya think $OE would have the decency to give the people who really filled their paychecks what we asked for at least 1 pre-cu server cause no one wanted the crap that is SWG.. Noooooo here's a useless crystal and a robe for destroying the thousands of dollars each and countless hrs in-game
R.I.P. SWG FAREWELL MY OLD FRIENDS AND ENEMIES
another dissatified customer WTG SOE!
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If you're happy with the game, I for one am very happy for you. But please, do not come on here making statements that SOE doesn't lie and don't ask people like me to shut up because you do not like what we have to say. Everything you have said is from your perspective and disproves nothing. "I have never had an issue with SOE personally" does not change what has happened to HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of others. Choose to believe them or not, but you go too far in calling them Liars just because you have not experienced the evil of SOE.
Please enjoy your game and ignore us.
I realize I said I quit. I never said it was forever
Like many others, I played SWG from its release. I was a creature handler and pikeman for those few years, and never changed my professions. After waiting all that time for promised changes to my useless class, I was then optimistic to see they implemented a new pet experience system to train our creatures as we see fit. Immediately after this, the preorder for the expansion came... and like all creature handlers I purchased it because they specifically lured our class with new creatures to tame (for the first time) and an item to expand our level limit. The very next day after the release of the expansion, I was told both my professions would no longer exist in two weeks time. This is only one small example of how the secret "New Game Enhancements" came like a knife in the back...
No established MMORPG company has tricked and deceived its player base to this extent ever. I do not think the ex-SWG players should judge MMORPG.com so harshly on this, but we have every right to criticize SOE for their crooked business practices. I have gotten over my personal anger, but I am happy to see how others will not let the issue rest. The MMORPG industry needs higher standards in general, and SOE should never be able to live down what they have done. Otherwise they will continue to lead customers like the blind , and other companies will follow suite. We may often sound like spurned ex-lovers, but the ex-SWG player base is strong in its numbers and its convictions... and we have every right to voice it.