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sinloi
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in Everquest II
OKay as it so happens I got another friend interested in EQ2 more tehn likely he will be a Necromancer, my friend will probably be a assasin.
I was planning on being a healer, buuut not sure what kind either fury, warden or defiler I like all 3. I will probably play a ratonga just cause I like that race, and reading the extra class talents that I cna spend on I noticed that shamans get a pet what kind of pet do shamans get and is it any good?
really the only 2 things that I dislike about shamans so far is:
1) the hp cost to heal and
2) the spear animations suck but I have a feeling if I do not use one i'll be considered gimp by any groups we join...or something stupid like that.
is the druid shapeshifting good?
basically just pros and cons of those 3 and I guess some advice on playing them. thanks.
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I also have a 70 templar and while it's nice, defiler just offer more. They have almost the same hp buffs templars do but can also reduce mob attack speed by 30% and reduce the dps and over all stats and and ... while templar can .... heal. Shamans heals are on par with templars plus they use wards (which will stack with one of the many templars you might group with).
Druids have hots and heals, no wards or reactives... not a good choice imo.
http://www.greycouncil.org/
Celestian, are you kidding? Do you play EQ2?
Fury is the best healer in the game, period. Furies have one of the best heals -- called Back into the Fray. It's a huge heal that uses very little power and to go along with it they also have their regens. They have group invisibility and do the most damage of any healer class.
Defiler wards are great, but they do piss poor damage don't have half the utility the Fury has. Oh, and to answer your question about the Defiler pet -- it's not really a pet, its more of a following buff, it can't take much damage and it doesn't attack for much.
I would place them in that order; Fury, Defiler, Warden.
For normal grouping the person at the keyboard is more important then the class of the healer. The only time a specific healer class really matters is in a raid, where you always want to make sure you have a defiler in the MT group. You also need either a Templar or Inquisitor and a Fury or Warden in the MT group with Templars and Furys being preferred but the Defiler is considered a must.
For grouping with a Necromancer and Assassin I’d consider looking at a Shadowknight. They have some healing ability themselves and the Necro can supply a bit as well and I think that would work better then having the pet tank or just letting agro go where it will. For tougher content you will still need to recruit a healer but you should be able to handle white heroics with a SK, necro and assassin.
If either the assassin or the Necro were to select a Berserker instead then a fury would be an excellent choice as it would give you just about the strongest 3 person group available. It would give you a top notch healer, plate tank and DPS would be nice since both the Berserker and Fury have good DPS for their class while Necro and Assassin amount the best DPS classes period.
Wards and reactives plus the normal castable heals are what keeps the tank up in raids. Sure in normal groups furies can keep a tank up, they have the FASTEST casting heals. Course they need fast cast heals because they got no reactives or wards. Frankly if you want a DPS class you are better off with conj.
Furies do have the most dps of all priests but they give up heavy healing.
I have a 70 of each archtype, I know how they work.
Defilers have the best utility, furies have the best dps. However, you want real dps classes in raids or min/max groups. Defilers/templars are the most potent healers and defilers are above templars in debuff/utility.
The defiler pet is useless cept for the AA buffs.
If you want to solo, play a fury, if you want a group at end game, take a defiler or templar.
http://www.greycouncil.org/
Ever raided?
You're in a guild called "Trusting in Fate"! You havn't killed half the stuff I have (eq2.clubfu.net).. take a look at the Fury on the far left without a shirt. That would be me, after killing a mob your guild hasn't beaten yet. And yea, we farm it every week. Furies are not easily replaceable, heck, the Fury isn't even my main, (I'm a Dirge) who is much more "easily replaceable".
Second, the OP never asked for the best raid healer. I assume this is his first character (since he's asking advice). It seems a lot more appropriate to recommend a healer that excels in many facets of the game instead of just one (high end raiding). If you were an expert as you claim you'd realize as lomiller pointed out.. that you need all three types of healers in a raid. (Not just Defilers.)
Maybe if you learned more about class dynamics you could post better news updates than Uncaged Alzid. I got a good laugh out of that being your last acomplishment though.
First off only my only Templar is in Tif. Infact my Fury isn't even on the same server. I find it humorous you'd actually go looking so deeply for my characters.
Thirdly I never said you only needed "a defiler" for a raid. Infact I said you needed someone that can "reactive" and someone that can "ward". You could use any druid to fill in spot heals. The ward/reactive healers will be the top healers of any raid. If you suggest otherwise you're clueless. Try ACT but if you raid as much as you seem to brag about you should already have it.
Fury can be replaced easily by any other healer because all they bring is "castable" heals, not reactive or wards. EVERY healer has castable heals. Yeah we raid with druids, but they are not key to success. If all you're doing is single group activities outside of something like the 70 nek you're probably ok with a druid.
You need a templar for hp/mit buffs. You need a defiler for mit/hp buffs. Fury doesn't improve upon either of those. Templar has reactives, defiler has wards, both have the biggest insta-heals. Defiler has slows that can reach around 40% with everything on the mob.
You can succeed without those things but if you have the choice of those options you'd use them.
Fury can dps, so can every single mage and scout and they do it better than a fury.
Fury can insta heal and hot... every priest can insta-heal and shaman/cleric types heals are bigger to boot. HoTs are "ok" and more use for non-MTs.
The OP asked what would be a good choice for a healer, I detailed what I thought would be viable choices.
As to the veiled insults to TiF, they are a casual guild. They don't run about trying to swing a epeen around about how other guilds haven't killed things they have. They don't bother to brag about every single kill on their website. You can't seriously think that the 2 news reports on raid loot is all they've ever done... well I can you can but you'd be incorrect.
As I said before, and nothing you have said has countered it, if you want to solo play a fury, if you want to be given more chances at spots at end game, play a templar or defiler.
Asside from DPS what do YOU think a fury brings to a group that any other cleric/shaman can't do better?
http://www.greycouncil.org/
first i want to say all healer classes can heal quite good in group situations (at least if the player knows how to use the abilities), so if you mainly want a healer for grouping then you should take the one that you like most.
If you want to get into a hardcore raiding guild there is also the problem what they are recruiting. a search on eq2census on healerclasses over all servers between lvl 65 and 70 yields:
I am in no hardcore raiding guild but my guild does some raiding and we have collected some experience over a long time.
we are a casual guild so we often have to use different strategies depending on who shows up to the raid, so we had allready raids in which we had noone of a special healerclass. In my opinnion a raid without a shaman is nearly undoable, a raid without a druid is much more likely to have success. In ideal cases you have all classes but as i said in a casual guild that does some raid you don't allways have a ideal class setup.
there exist some quite good maingroup setups without a druid in it. guardian as mt, templar, defiler, dirge, crusader, conjurer as an example works quite good, you have high HP, high static mitigation and guard also has his short time mit buffs.
Wow, pretentious much?
In addition to being completely insecure about the class you play you don't really base anything in your argument on anything besides "HURR I'M IN A RAID GUILD HURRRR" Why don't you address some of the points he made instead of being an idiiot?
To the original poster if you are stuck between a Fury and a Defiler here is what I suggest. If you plan on soloing a lot and only going with groups I would go with Fury. They are the best soloing/DPS priest class no question. If you plan on doing a lot of raiding in the later stages I'd pick Defiler. They have wicked debuffs, and good HP/MIT buffs. Defiler is also the least played priest class so availability of masters will be better and you'll be competing with less people for the same raid spots.