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Richard Vogel of BioWare Austin - AGC
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I gathered 4 things from apearences of Vogel on AGC
1. For some reason Vogel seems to be one of the most respected designers there
2. He keeps vouching for originality -> hence Bioware MMO will be something very original
3. He said there will be no "original" mmos in next 3 years -> hint Bioware mmo comes in 3 years
4. He claims fantasy mmos are not interesting anymore -> Hint Bioware mmo will not be fantasy mmo
Is it Fallout online in 3 years , yay!
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saying there won't be any original MMO's out in the next 3 years make's me doubt the MMORPG knowledge of Vogel.
and you do?
saying there won't be any original MMO's out in the next 3 years make's me doubt the MMORPG knowledge of Vogel.
and you do?
Obviously. at least to me its clear games like Age of Conan,Tabula Rasa, Pirates of the burning sea, Gods & Heroes and SUN won't be Everquest clones. the irony is that he couldn't picked a worse time to say there will be no original MMORPGs. this would have been okay 3 years ago, but right now we see many MMO's that will be original and diffrent from the crowd. this IS the first time MMORPG developers are actually going to try something new in the mmo genre. Hence, Vogel couldn't have said it at a worse time.
It's unlikly, but possible that it will be Fallout Online. While Bethesda did deal with Interplay for the rights of making 3 games in the Fallout world, Interplay did not give them the rights to making a Fallout MMO. Chances are it's still on the table, or it has been bought by an unknown development company.
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It is just wishfull thinking from my side.
Realistically i thing Bioware will make neither Starwars, Fallout or Baldurs gate MMO ( although i would really like them to, heh )
But whatever they do will be better than anything on the market ... it is almost a sure bet
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Your confusing original with good.
Your confusing original with good.Those games will most likly be good, but they arent original. Lets wait and see what he plans on releasing via bioware, before you bestow your vast knowledge on him gameloading.
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Your confusing original with good.
Your confusing original with good.Those games will most likly be good, but they arent original. Lets wait and see what he plans on releasing via bioware, before you bestow your vast knowledge on him gameloading.
If you can say that Tabula Rasa, Age of Conan and more of those are unoriginal, then that proves that you did absolutely ZERO research on those games.
Here is an Age of Conan video:
Age of Conan video
and Tabula Rasa:
Tabula Rasa
Does that look like the old Everquest formula to you? I think not.
Guys...have any of you thought that by "original" he means "3rd-generation"? Because in that case he's right. There are currently no MMORPGs out there that can be labeled 3rd-generation.
But uh, I'll let you get back to your arguement that will get nowhere fast. =]
And you doubting Vogel, make me doubt in you!
Maybe they will beat WoW! However if it isn't fantasy, I am not sure...I mean...peoples WANT fantasy, this is why soo many vocal community ask for something else. See, the MMOs that aren't medieval-fantasy, none of them really break the 200-300k mark...SWG and CoH are the "leading non-medieval fantasy", and IMO CoH is the best MMO ever, yet, they have issue breaking such a low mark.
As to the guy saying Fallout...although I would love it and play it myself, if it is Fallout, I am not sure it will break 1 million subscribtion...and I am even less sure that "everyone would recognize it", as most peoples have no idea what Fallout is. If the non-fantasy claim is right, then it prolly mean non-medieval game, which mean a real SW game. Which is definitely good news, even if I would have prefer a game in FR myself...as no MMO are set in FR, the most popular medieval fantasy setting.
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- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
And you doubting Vogel, make me doubt in you!
So what you are basicly saying is that if a new mmorg does not outsell WoW, then its not worth mentioning? That is NOT what Vogel said. he said that there won't be any original MMORPG's out in the next 3 years, which is simply not true.he did not say "There is no original mmorpg that can beat WoW". Age of Conan is made by funcom, Tabula Rasa by Richard Garrot and NCsoft, Gods & Heroes has SOE behind them. those are not small companies, those are the big ones in MMORPG world.
just face it, Vogel has absolutely no clue what other MMO companies are doing.
Maybe Bioware will be the one to revolutionize this genre.
However, there has been something in the back of my mind for the last year that we haven't heard much about, and for understandable reasons.
SOE is churning out something big in their Seattle studio (and no, its not DC online, because that's an Austin project). They are working on SOE's answer to WoW, and they are taking however long they need to make sure its done right for a change.
We haven't heard much about it, because I have the feeling that they are creating something that is so far advanced of everything we thought we knew about games, it will make our heads spin. I have a feeling also that nobody is even going to get a look at the thing until its pretty much ready for launch. It will be beta'd and debugged from professionals. Might even be free to play.
Whatever it is, I have nicknamed it "Smed's big plan," and I wish I'd know more about it.
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Out of all the possible engines they could have used, they chose the Hero engine for their upcoming MMOG! WTF were they thinking?!
As for SOE working on the WoW killer...That's great! That's exactly what the genre needs, a battle of the Titans! There's not nearly enough high level competition IMO...I wouldn't mind seeing the field whittled down to 5-7 major MMOG makers, with all the rest being crushed out of existence! Way too much money being wasted on second and third rate MMOGs...
I also wish that I could have your optimism concerning SOE...I've tried to give them the benefit of the doubt on a range of issues, but every time I do they do something stupid! It's almost like they're deliberately trying to drive the company into the ground...Heh, maybe some of the top guys are short selling their stock!
Your confusing original with good.
Your confusing original with good.Those games will most likly be good, but they arent original. Lets wait and see what he plans on releasing via bioware, before you bestow your vast knowledge on him gameloading.
If you can say that Tabula Rasa, Age of Conan and more of those are unoriginal, then that proves that you did absolutely ZERO research on those games.
Here is an Age of Conan video:
Age of Conan video
and Tabula Rasa:
Tabula Rasa
Does that look like the old Everquest formula to you? I think not.
Well let's take the easiest of the list: Tabula Rasa. If its not original then what other game besides Neocron is it like?
And to make it even more clear what MMO game does Neocron resemble?
The answer is none and none.
There is only Neocron that is similar to TB and Neocron is one of a kind currently. There is only one true RPG shooter hybrid and TB says it will be the second. Add on to that some of the ideas about "constant state of war" PvE and it could be pretty different. It would be great if there were dynamic quests where people in a zone need to communicate about what military objectives they were all working on so they no how it effects their solo mission. Not sure if this is what TB is going after but its sounds like something like it.
And Garriot is lead dev.
I agree with Vogel for the most part but Gameloading is still right, there are some games that are trying new things. Or at the very least trying rare things, maybe not exactly new.
Edit: Look I think this industry is somewhat stagnant and I think the consumer base says one thing while it wants another when it concerns innovations. But the fact is there are games doing some interesting things, there are a few people mixing it up. I am pessimistic it will have a great effect but they are there. The fact that they get minimized shows how whacky this market is IMO.