Originally posted by SpiritofGame Originally posted by jonaku They're in Beta 3 and STILL no testing of PVP.
Absolutely false, by the way.
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To the Op: All you do is Spam Lies about the game. Why? If you hate the game so much, just leave it, don't make up Lies... Seriously, it's just sad... call me a "Vanboi" if you like, but unlike you I'm waiting to pass judgement until the game hits open Beta... you know, like a reasonable person...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
i cant waittttt to playyyyyyy...me wants to play soooo baddd................sorry had to get that out...yeah im hoping for multiple pvp ruleset servers....atleast two...cause for one...i think if they only opened one it would get packed really quick and thed have issues...and two it would just be cool to have two different rulesets....hehe go vanguarddd!!! and thank you to Brad for taking the time to respond to the community even though some of these ppl arent to friendly.
yeah jonaku is a jerk, and anyone whos been followin the game briefly on these forums already knows not to take anything he says seriously....hes a joke.
jonaku, dude.....honestly....you can PM me if it makes you feel better...but like whats your problem? all Ive ever seen you do in this forum is bash brad/sigil/vanguard....can you give me a real honest good simple answer why.
But you're saying PVP is currently being tested in Beta 3?
Are you breaking NDA? Or is Brad misleading the public into thinking that PVP isn't being tested in Beta 3?
LOL... dude, stop spinning, you'll get sick... oh, and stop lieing too BTW...
Just because PVP isn't being "tested" doesn't mean it doesn't exist... there are approved screenies out of dueling, so PVP is obviously existing somewhere...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
I see a fad, just like fashion, and these teenage kids wearing the same things we did back in 1970's and calling it cool and original.
Jonaku my boy. You don't know PvP. Try a community of 200 people per server, and about 20 people being a random PKer. What's your chances of getting your butt handed to you from behind while your fighting a troll? about 60%.
These games started out full PvP with one of the first graphical MMO's out being Meridian 59 back in 1994. And it could be a slaughter fest one day, and peaceful the next. I agree it was fun for quite awhile, but then you get tired of being shot down from behind by some idiot 10 levels below you while your fighting something else.
UO had a better PvP system, up until idiots started hacking in and makeing one hit kill spells, and such. Then EQ came out and the hackers drove us to a PvE enviroment where we lived for years. Now PvP is starting to show up again, and us older PvPers are starting to come back out of the woodwork.
Vanguard already said there will be atleast one PvP server at release, and most likely a couple variations of PvP rule set servers. I will most likely be on one of them.
Instead of trying your hardest to get Brad, Silky Venom, or a beta tester to break the NDA to fulfill your obssesive need for information. Why don't you go buy the WoW exspansion and leave this game alone.
Want to talk about a carebear attitude, you continuously harp on SOE, Sigil, and anyone else you feel is keeping information from you, just for the fun of it. We are all in the same boat as far as not knowing what will and what will not be in this game, and we all want to know as bad as you. We just know how to wait
For someone that is dead set against this game, you sure are here a lot demanding more information. I don't understand it.
Go call Dr. Phill and take nap, maybe you will wake up in a better mood.
Originally posted by jonaku Originally posted by Trendson It's a PvE loot fest for people who enjoy their mmorpgs bland and unoriginal. Of course pvp is gonna be an afterthought and done half azzed.
yup
Don't be so self-absorbed. You don't know that at this point.
I recommend you participate in the vanguard forums on their main site, this has been discussed extensively. There is actually much hope for a solid PvP system, as the community is ready for an intense MMOG that offers all the key aspects. I have faith that it will be delivered in VSoH.
Originally posted by Stellos Originally posted by jonaku Originally posted by Trendson It's a PvE loot fest for people who enjoy their mmorpgs bland and unoriginal. Of course pvp is gonna be an afterthought and done half azzed.
yup
Don't be so self-absorbed. You don't know that at this point.
I recommend you participate in the vanguard forums on their main site, this has been discussed extensively. There is actually much hope for a solid PvP system, as the community is ready for an intense MMOG that offers all the key aspects. I have faith that it will be delivered in VSoH.
LOL, participate in the vanguard forums at their main site? Uhh... no thanks. That forum is world famous for zerging any dissenting opinion as trollish and WOWish. There is only one "right" opinion on that board. Perhaps the most unfriendly community in the entire Interwebs for casualist players.
I thought this thread is very typical of how the Vanguard community reacts to any genuine criticism of its hardcore game mechanics. The responses below are from the first 2 pages and constitute over 50% of the responses to the original post.
scott2978
I had high hopes for Vanguard when I read a review online recently. Intricate crafting system, lots of diversity, great graphics. But then I came to the Vanguard website, and my hopes have become tarnished. No instanced zones? I thought Vanguard was supposed to be 3rd gen? I guess the designers of EQ haven't learned all the lessons. Corpse retrieval? Gear driven questing system? Hmm this is sure starting to sound like EQ to me... The things I hated about EQ were just these. I HATED retrieving my corpse. It was a gigantic time sink and annoying as hell and nothing more. I HATED gear and loot being the only reason I ever did anything in the game. Why is having a MISSION TO ACCOMPLISH not a quest drive that anyone making MMOs seems to realize? I HATED other players griefing and training and kill stealing. But no instanced dungeons in Vanguard huh? I'm sorry to say that Vanguard does not really sound like a 3rd gen MMO to me. It sounds like EQ2.5 If it turns out that way, don't expect me to play. I bet I'm not alone either.
==================================== SpiritofHero K, but thanks for stopping by.
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==================================== Ardikus Originally Posted by scott2978 I bet I'm not alone either. No. You aren't. Why don't you go preach Christianity on a Muslim message board? I'm sure you won't be alone there either.
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==================================== safwd I too say good for you. If he sticks to his guns and doesnt play that is awesome. The question i have is if you dont want to play a game why even bother coming on that games site to say that you wont be playing? If it isnt worth your time playing why is it worth your time posting??
==================================== Vindicoth Originally Posted by Cloudsong www.worldofwarcraft.com
==================================== Ziegfried Trueblade Sweet! But just one thing before the door smacks you on the way out OP! See, this game is NOT EQ. It has some of the same design philosophy but its definately not EQ. Different world and lore for one thing.
==================================== Guanott OooooOoOOOOooo....two in one day.
Can I have your stuff?
==================================== Womby Once again I agree with everyone else. Don't play then! Find a game you like. But dont waste our time (and your own) by telling us that you aren't going to play. We dont really care
==================================== barhoom I must say all u said sounds like WOW why dont u stay with it?
==================================== Dravoth Originally Posted by Cloudsong www.worldofwarcraft.com
==================================== Brenskifhn1 I really dont think anyone cares about what you think anymore
==================================== strider4222 Originally Posted by Cloudsong www.worldofwarcraft.com ahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahaahahh...first laugh out loud in a long while
==================================== Iunar So some people (OP) think 3rd generation MMO means 3 times as lazy as the first people? No CR? Does that mean no rez sick and no death penalty at all? Hell maybe dying should be rewarded, THAT would be evolution! And everything should be instanced since I don't want anybody stealing my mobs or camping a spot that I like. God I hate people, afterall that's why I play MMOs, to stay away from people. Maybe they should eliminate the XP/lvl grind altogether by just having people roll toons at the level cap as soon as the servers go live, I mean who needs to learn the intricacies of their character anyway? We all want STUFF and we want it NOW!!!
/sarcasm off
==================================== MJay I think I sort of have to agree... at least he's saying why he won't be playing.
But his reasons make me glad he's not.
==================================== Taro_Lion Originally Posted by Cloudsong www.worldofwarcraft.com
==================================== knight1138 Will this game be to everyones liking probaly not. I just dont think its fair to make this statement on what information we do have available to us. Now if you truelly feel this way there are other upcoming MMO's that might be to your style of play
==================================== Naglassul Oh my gosh...these aren't even critics,that's just stupid. If you don't like the idea of the game then don't play it and don't disturb us with your whining
If you don't like corpse retrieving,fine,then go and play WoW. If you don't like games without instanced-zones then go and play WoW.
Hell,if you don't like Vanguard then leave us alone
==================================== darkwing15 Good don't play you won't be missed. If you can't take an extra 20 min. to read up on the forums and write an intelligent review, go back to nubville where ya came from.
==================================== James Snay Wow, you sound liek a little girl. You don't get the game YOU want out of the devfelopers so you cry and whine and say that you aren't going to play. I have a young nephew and it is no exaggeration to say that he is more mature than you. Good riddance. It's simple, if you don't like what the game offers then don't play. But please don't post your drivel either.
Originally posted by jonaku LOL, participate in the vanguard forums at their main site? Uhh... no thanks. That forum is world famous for zerging any dissenting opinion as trollish and WOWish. There is only one "right" opinion on that board. Perhaps the most unfriendly community in the entire Interwebs for casualist players. Don't believe me? This was already discussed and proven in http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/86856 "Vanguard Forum Reaction to Criticism", see copy of post below:
You really have to attempt to stop being so close minded. You think there aren't similar threads on EVERY games forums? Let the sunlight in, Mrs. Haversham.
The original poster went to the Vanguard website to say, I don't like the way your game is comming together. So I am not playing.
What is the point in that?
If the poster went there and said something like:
I was just reading up on this game and saw that they intend corpse retrievel, and no instances? Is this true? I was hopeing Sigil would have learned from EQ and all of the other MMO's out there today that Instances can beifiet the players by avoiding spawn camping, and kill stealing. And corpse getting? Man I remember all the hours I lost trying to get my corpse from the bottom of Guk in EQ, all the equipment and exp lost trying to get down there naked to loot my corpse, it was awful, does sigil have a way around this?
Might have got some questions answered, other posters may have taken the time to correct misconceptions, and or agree/disagree with the poster. But how do you honestly respond nicely to:
Your game sucks, Sigil doesn't know what they are doing! I am not going to play this game it's aweful!
You just can't respond to something like that with anything constructive. Did you expect condolences, or maybe a shoulder to cry on?
I think Vanguard is going to be a "WoW Killer" To SOE's relief it will be on their access pass, because I think it is going to put a hurt on EQ/EQ2 among many other games.
Jonaku, what you must understand is VSoH is something many long-term MMOG lovers have their hope invested in. We, who played the orginal MMOGs see a lot of quality in this game that the era of WoW and others don't know anything about. When someone is negative on VSoH forums they are going to get it handed to them, not because we are impolite or rude, just because we REALLY want this game to be the answer for your MMOG dreams.
It is too early in the process of VSoH to be bashing it in the context that you are. Who knows you might end up being correct, but for the time being you dont' know any more than anyone else. Except for the fact your hatered towards Brad and Sigil makes me think you know everything that is going on there and maybe your just a disgruntled employee lol.
Devote more attention to the games you feel are going to be big hits and less towards the ones you just want to bash and you'll find communities more welcoming.
The entire MMO Genre dosen't really welcome PVP. I mean, until the Servers and games are designed around real time twitch reflexes, they will never welcome PVP. Slow, almost turnbased combat in MMO's in general is what leads them to "Not Welcome PVP"...It needs to be an after thought...
I don't think were going to see a real PVP Based MMO until Lag is no longer a factor...and the combat style changes from MMO Style to Real Time action twitch...
Games that are designed for PVP are the BF2's of the world, and console games..
Originally posted by jonaku "This is killing me, are we ever going to get any official info about the state of a PvP server/system?
A vast majority of my guild is looking to leave WoW for Vanguard .. However; none of us like to hold hands and play "tickle the bad guy". We all feel there needs to be consequences for a persons actions, and only PvP can provide that in a game environment.
What is the state of PvP?
I need to know if we should all be buying Vanguard or The Burning Crusade." http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69240 "Vanguard is not a PvP based game, it is designed to be PvE. It has been stated there will be a PvP ruleset server on launch, but that is about the extent of the information.
If you are looking for a full out PvP game, you have come to the wrong place, and should look at the WoW expansion instead. However if you want to play a PvE game that has a PvP option, then keep your eye on this, but keep in mind it will still be a PvE game." http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1405381#post1405381
They're in Beta 3 and STILL no testing of PVP. The vanboi community sneers at PVP. There's no real info on how PVP will work on the PVP servers. Sounds like it's a VERY low priority. If you love PVP, you won't be happy in Vanguard. That's my prediction. And I'm stickin to it.
yes, because PvP in wow is such a great thing. Find 39 friends, raid bwl/aq40/naxx for gear. have absolutely no ability at PvP and still destroy all who oppose because you run raids. Or, alternatively, create a new level 19 character, spend 1000g on gear and level 60 enchants, and once again with no skill whatsoever destroy all who oppose you.
Originally posted by vesavius Originally posted by jonaku "This is killing me, are we ever going to get any official info about the state of a PvP server/system?
A vast majority of my guild is looking to leave WoW for Vanguard .. However; none of us like to hold hands and play "tickle the bad guy". We all feel there needs to be consequences for a persons actions, and only PvP can provide that in a game environment.
What is the state of PvP?
I need to know if we should all be buying Vanguard or The Burning Crusade." http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69240 "Vanguard is not a PvP based game, it is designed to be PvE. It has been stated there will be a PvP ruleset server on launch, but that is about the extent of the information.
If you are looking for a full out PvP game, you have come to the wrong place, and should look at the WoW expansion instead. However if you want to play a PvE game that has a PvP option, then keep your eye on this, but keep in mind it will still be a PvE game." http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1405381#post1405381
They're in Beta 3 and STILL no testing of PVP. The vanboi community sneers at PVP. There's no real info on how PVP will work on the PVP servers. Sounds like it's a VERY low priority. If you love PVP, you won't be happy in Vanguard. That's my prediction. And I'm stickin to it.
At last I understand Jon's hate of this game lol. It's gonna destroy his WoW guild and he blames this game for it.
I was wondering why he had such an axe to grind and now I know
nah, he was reposting something he saw on the vagaurd forums, and tryin to make it sound like he knows something interesting. same with his 1000 level post. he makes it seem as if hes posting something Vanguard said, instead of a bad idea which had already been criticized on VG's own forum.
My theory, just based on the volume and tone of his posts, is that he is a paid PR person. He s here to make VG look bad so that peope wont even try it.
Originally posted by jonaku Originally posted by baphamet
Originally posted by jonaku Vanguard's lack of focus on pvp just shows how insanely out of touch they are. They still think it's 1999. Hello? McFly? An MMO without rockin PVP is unacceptable in the year 2006. And you can't just jam in pvp as an afterthought, otherwise, it will suck hard. But what do you expect with the half-a$$ed effort being made by the Vanguard dev team?
yes the pvp wont be that great in a pve-centric game, there are other games that have pvp as their main focus why must vaguard also be pvp-centric?
BTW jonaku, i am a avid pvp'er and i sure as hell wont be playing vanguard to get that fix.
thank you for confirming that pvpers should stay away from vanguard.
thank you for confirming that pvp in vanguard won't rock.
and this coming from a vanboi.
Q.
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and yet your own logic is that vangaurd, even on the pvp server will be a pve centric game and to stick with wow? hate to tell ya this bud, but wow is a pve-centric game with bg's so the pve raiders can show off their nifty gear while bashing your head in. its NOT a PvP game.
I don't know but i bet Vanguard will have great pvp options that will rival any pvp centric game.
there is no need for you to say NO!! or YOU are WRong! b/c you have no proof, of course neither do I, but I'm just saying we should wait and see, as that is the ONLY way to find out.
Current MMO of interest: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes MMO background: EQ, UO, AO, SWG, PS, EQ2, L2,EQoA, WoW, WWIIO, and AC2
Originally posted by boognish75 I hope pvp is optional, as I love questing with a group and raiding, especially love group questing.
Yes, PvP is 100% optional at server selection.
I just wish they would understand that raiding has to be optional as well, as raiding is certainly killing grouping, it is insidious and long, however in the long run, it is my belief that PvE raiding kills grouping in a way that PvP can't. PvP can't crush the hope, you may STILL do it, maybe at 5 AM on Tuesday when everyone is asleep, still...can do it.
Raiding leave no hope, no dream, no expectation... you are nothing without raiding, nobody will be grouping you or favorising you at group building, since you are a second rated grouper, because you don't raid...yet they will pick peoples who don't really devoted themselves to grouping...peoples that will abandon a group any moment a raiding option show itself, no matter if you have invested hours and are deep in a very strong grouping thing...grouping deserves commitment!
But back on the original topic, have no fear, Brad understand that pretty well and PvP won't be screwing with PvE...if only he could understand about raiding...
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Originally posted by Stellos When someone is negative on VSoH forums they are going to get it handed to them, not because we are impolite or rude, just because we REALLY want this game to be the answer for your MMOG dreams.
I would venture to guess that for some it's to stomp out negativity and shove it up the person's...bum. First time visiting this part of the forum (I've recently been reading up on Vanguard) and I see my belief that some people do take game-bashing to an almost "godly crusade" sort of level is true.
Jonaku, you're not going to change anyone's opinion here on the game that already has one. So what exactly are you trying to prove?
If you are looking for a full out PvP game, you have come to the wrong place, and should look at the WoW expansion instead. However if you want to play a PvE game that has a PvP option, then keep your eye on this, but keep in mind it will still be a PvE game."
If you love PVP, you won't be happy in Vanguard. That's my prediction. And I'm stickin to it.
Rofl. Who the Heck plays WoW for its PvP??? PvP in Wow sucks beyond all belief in comparison to most systems. Vanguard may not be the best ever but it can't be worse than WoW. Play DAoC or Guild Wars if you're playing solely for PvP. For PvE, Wow isn't half bad at what it does and I'm looking forward to comparing the Burning Crusade to Vanguard when they are both released, but as to the statement above ROFL
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Absolutely false, by the way.
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To the Op: All you do is Spam Lies about the game. Why? If you hate the game so much, just leave it, don't make up Lies... Seriously, it's just sad... call me a "Vanboi" if you like, but unlike you I'm waiting to pass judgement until the game hits open Beta... you know, like a reasonable person...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
i cant waittttt to playyyyyyy...me wants to play soooo baddd................sorry had to get that out...yeah im hoping for multiple pvp ruleset servers....atleast two...cause for one...i think if they only opened one it would get packed really quick and thed have issues...and two it would just be cool to have two different rulesets....hehe go vanguarddd!!! and thank you to Brad for taking the time to respond to the community even though some of these ppl arent to friendly.
Absolutely false, by the way.
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But according to Aradune's post at http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73360&page=2, in which he says "I'm pretty excited about PvP and its design and can't wait to get it tested in Beta 4. And that's just our first version of PvP."
But you're saying PVP is currently being tested in Beta 3?
Are you breaking NDA? Or is Brad misleading the public into thinking that PVP isn't being tested in Beta 3?
playing eq2 and two worlds
But according to Aradune's post at http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73360&page=2, in which he says "I'm pretty excited about PvP and its design and can't wait to get it tested in Beta 4. And that's just our first version of PvP."
But you're saying PVP is currently being tested in Beta 3?
Are you breaking NDA? Or is Brad misleading the public into thinking that PVP isn't being tested in Beta 3?
LOL... dude, stop spinning, you'll get sick... oh, and stop lieing too BTW...
Just because PVP isn't being "tested" doesn't mean it doesn't exist... there are approved screenies out of dueling, so PVP is obviously existing somewhere...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
I see a fad, just like fashion, and these teenage kids wearing the same things we did back in 1970's and calling it cool and original.
Jonaku my boy. You don't know PvP. Try a community of 200 people per server, and about 20 people being a random PKer. What's your chances of getting your butt handed to you from behind while your fighting a troll? about 60%.
These games started out full PvP with one of the first graphical MMO's out being Meridian 59 back in 1994. And it could be a slaughter fest one day, and peaceful the next. I agree it was fun for quite awhile, but then you get tired of being shot down from behind by some idiot 10 levels below you while your fighting something else.
UO had a better PvP system, up until idiots started hacking in and makeing one hit kill spells, and such. Then EQ came out and the hackers drove us to a PvE enviroment where we lived for years. Now PvP is starting to show up again, and us older PvPers are starting to come back out of the woodwork.
Vanguard already said there will be atleast one PvP server at release, and most likely a couple variations of PvP rule set servers. I will most likely be on one of them.
Instead of trying your hardest to get Brad, Silky Venom, or a beta tester to break the NDA to fulfill your obssesive need for information. Why don't you go buy the WoW exspansion and leave this game alone.
Want to talk about a carebear attitude, you continuously harp on SOE, Sigil, and anyone else you feel is keeping information from you, just for the fun of it. We are all in the same boat as far as not knowing what will and what will not be in this game, and we all want to know as bad as you. We just know how to wait
For someone that is dead set against this game, you sure are here a lot demanding more information. I don't understand it.
Go call Dr. Phill and take nap, maybe you will wake up in a better mood.
Not so nice guy!
Don't be so self-absorbed. You don't know that at this point.
I recommend you participate in the vanguard forums on their main site, this has been discussed extensively. There is actually much hope for a solid PvP system, as the community is ready for an intense MMOG that offers all the key aspects. I have faith that it will be delivered in VSoH.
Don't be so self-absorbed. You don't know that at this point.
I recommend you participate in the vanguard forums on their main site, this has been discussed extensively. There is actually much hope for a solid PvP system, as the community is ready for an intense MMOG that offers all the key aspects. I have faith that it will be delivered in VSoH.
LOL, participate in the vanguard forums at their main site? Uhh... no thanks. That forum is world famous for zerging any dissenting opinion as trollish and WOWish. There is only one "right" opinion on that board. Perhaps the most unfriendly community in the entire Interwebs for casualist players.
Don't believe me? This was already discussed and proven in http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/86856 "Vanguard Forum Reaction to Criticism", see copy of post below:
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I thought this thread is very typical of how the Vanguard community reacts to any genuine criticism of its hardcore game mechanics. The responses below are from the first 2 pages and constitute over 50% of the responses to the original post.
scott2978
I had high hopes for Vanguard when I read a review online recently. Intricate crafting system, lots of diversity, great graphics. But then I came to the Vanguard website, and my hopes have become tarnished. No instanced zones? I thought Vanguard was supposed to be 3rd gen? I guess the designers of EQ haven't learned all the lessons. Corpse retrieval? Gear driven questing system? Hmm this is sure starting to sound like EQ to me... The things I hated about EQ were just these. I HATED retrieving my corpse. It was a gigantic time sink and annoying as hell and nothing more. I HATED gear and loot being the only reason I ever did anything in the game. Why is having a MISSION TO ACCOMPLISH not a quest drive that anyone making MMOs seems to realize? I HATED other players griefing and training and kill stealing. But no instanced dungeons in Vanguard huh? I'm sorry to say that Vanguard does not really sound like a 3rd gen MMO to me. It sounds like EQ2.5 If it turns out that way, don't expect me to play. I bet I'm not alone either.
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Infernius
Bye
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Ilanidrac
Originally Posted by Cloudsong
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SpiritofHero
K, but thanks for stopping by.
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Savemefromwow
Originally Posted by Cloudsong
www.worldofwarcraft.com
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Ardikus
Originally Posted by scott2978
I bet I'm not alone either.
No. You aren't. Why don't you go preach Christianity on a Muslim message board? I'm sure you won't be alone there either.
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xtrozero
See ya don't let the door hit you in the ....
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safwd
I too say good for you. If he sticks to his guns and doesnt play that is awesome.
The question i have is if you dont want to play a game why even bother coming on that games site
to say that you wont be playing?
If it isnt worth your time playing why is it worth your time posting??
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Vindicoth
Originally Posted by Cloudsong
www.worldofwarcraft.com
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Ziegfried Trueblade
Sweet! But just one thing before the door smacks you on the way out OP! See, this game is NOT EQ. It has some of the same design philosophy but its definately not EQ. Different world and lore for one thing.
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Panglos
Wow.
So nice of you to let us know that you aren't going to be playing; I was seriously worried for a while there.
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Guanott
OooooOoOOOOooo....two in one day.
Can I have your stuff?
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Womby
Once again I agree with everyone else. Don't play then! Find a game you like. But dont waste our time (and your own) by telling us that you aren't going to play. We dont really care
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barhoom
I must say all u said sounds like WOW why dont u stay with it?
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Dravoth
Originally Posted by Cloudsong
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Brenskifhn1
I really dont think anyone cares about what you think anymore
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strider4222
Originally Posted by Cloudsong
www.worldofwarcraft.com
ahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahaahahh...first laugh out loud in a long while
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Iunar
So some people (OP) think 3rd generation MMO means 3 times as lazy as the first people? No CR? Does that mean no rez sick and no death penalty at all? Hell maybe dying should be rewarded, THAT would be evolution! And everything should be instanced since I don't want anybody stealing my mobs or camping a spot that I like. God I hate people, afterall that's why I play MMOs, to stay away from people. Maybe they should eliminate the XP/lvl grind altogether by just having people roll toons at the level cap as soon as the servers go live, I mean who needs to learn the intricacies of their character anyway? We all want STUFF and we want it NOW!!!
/sarcasm off
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MJay
I think I sort of have to agree... at least he's saying why he won't be playing.
But his reasons make me glad he's not.
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Taro_Lion
Originally Posted by Cloudsong
www.worldofwarcraft.com
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Arment
Cellar Door.
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knight1138
Will this game be to everyones liking probaly not. I just dont think its fair to make this statement on what information we do have available to us. Now if you truelly feel this way there are other upcoming MMO's that might be to your style of play
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Naglassul
Oh my gosh...these aren't even critics,that's just stupid.
If you don't like the idea of the game then don't play it and don't disturb us with your whining
If you don't like corpse retrieving,fine,then go and play WoW.
If you don't like games without instanced-zones then go and play WoW.
Hell,if you don't like Vanguard then leave us alone
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darkwing15
Good don't play you won't be missed. If you can't take an extra 20 min. to read up on the forums and
write an intelligent review, go back to nubville where ya came from.
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SeaOfHoles
Originally Posted by Cloudsong
www.worldofwarcraft.com
Or how about www.whackamole.com for you?
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James Snay
Wow, you sound liek a little girl. You don't get the game YOU want out of the devfelopers so you cry and whine and say that you aren't going to play. I have a young nephew and it is no exaggeration to say that he is more mature than you. Good riddance. It's simple, if you don't like what the game offers then don't play. But please don't post your drivel either.
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Fraxture
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Sturnum
Go play World of Dullcraft. ...Thanks for posting though input is always welcome.
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Malus
Originally Posted by Cloudsong
www.worldofwarcraft.com
I don't see anything wrong there?
The original poster went to the Vanguard website to say, I don't like the way your game is comming together. So I am not playing.
What is the point in that?
If the poster went there and said something like:
I was just reading up on this game and saw that they intend corpse retrievel, and no instances? Is this true? I was hopeing Sigil would have learned from EQ and all of the other MMO's out there today that Instances can beifiet the players by avoiding spawn camping, and kill stealing. And corpse getting? Man I remember all the hours I lost trying to get my corpse from the bottom of Guk in EQ, all the equipment and exp lost trying to get down there naked to loot my corpse, it was awful, does sigil have a way around this?
Might have got some questions answered, other posters may have taken the time to correct misconceptions, and or agree/disagree with the poster. But how do you honestly respond nicely to:
Your game sucks, Sigil doesn't know what they are doing! I am not going to play this game it's aweful!
You just can't respond to something like that with anything constructive. Did you expect condolences, or maybe a shoulder to cry on?
I think Vanguard is going to be a "WoW Killer" To SOE's relief it will be on their access pass, because I think it is going to put a hurt on EQ/EQ2 among many other games.
ALL HAIL VANGUARD!
Not so nice guy!
Jonaku, what you must understand is VSoH is something many long-term MMOG lovers have their hope invested in. We, who played the orginal MMOGs see a lot of quality in this game that the era of WoW and others don't know anything about. When someone is negative on VSoH forums they are going to get it handed to them, not because we are impolite or rude, just because we REALLY want this game to be the answer for your MMOG dreams
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It is too early in the process of VSoH to be bashing it in the context that you are. Who knows you might end up being correct, but for the time being you dont' know any more than anyone else. Except for the fact your hatered towards Brad and Sigil makes me think you know everything that is going on there and maybe your just a disgruntled employee lol.
Devote more attention to the games you feel are going to be big hits and less towards the ones you just want to bash and you'll find communities more welcoming.
The entire MMO Genre dosen't really welcome PVP. I mean, until the Servers and games are designed around real time twitch reflexes, they will never welcome PVP. Slow, almost turnbased combat in MMO's in general is what leads them to "Not Welcome PVP"...It needs to be an after thought...
I don't think were going to see a real PVP Based MMO until Lag is no longer a factor...and the combat style changes from MMO Style to Real Time action twitch...
Games that are designed for PVP are the BF2's of the world, and console games..
yes, because PvP in wow is such a great thing. Find 39 friends, raid bwl/aq40/naxx for gear. have absolutely no ability at PvP and still destroy all who oppose because you run raids. Or, alternatively, create a new level 19 character, spend 1000g on gear and level 60 enchants, and once again with no skill whatsoever destroy all who oppose you.
great PvP options in wow.
At last I understand Jon's hate of this game lol. It's gonna destroy his WoW guild and he blames this game for it.
I was wondering why he had such an axe to grind and now I know
nah, he was reposting something he saw on the vagaurd forums, and tryin to make it sound like he knows something interesting. same with his 1000 level post. he makes it seem as if hes posting something Vanguard said, instead of a bad idea which had already been criticized on VG's own forum.
My theory, just based on the volume and tone of his posts, is that he is a paid PR person. He s here to make VG look bad so that peope wont even try it.
yes the pvp wont be that great in a pve-centric game, there are other games that have pvp as their main focus why must vaguard also be pvp-centric?
BTW jonaku, i am a avid pvp'er and i sure as hell wont be playing vanguard to get that fix.
thank you for confirming that pvpers should stay away from vanguard.
thank you for confirming that pvp in vanguard won't rock.
and this coming from a vanboi.
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and yet your own logic is that vangaurd, even on the pvp server will be a pve centric game and to stick with wow? hate to tell ya this bud, but wow is a pve-centric game with bg's so the pve raiders can show off their nifty gear while bashing your head in. its NOT a PvP game.
I don't know but i bet Vanguard will have great pvp options that will rival any pvp centric game.
there is no need for you to say NO!! or YOU are WRong! b/c you have no proof, of course neither do I, but I'm just saying we should wait and see, as that is the ONLY way to find out.
Current MMO of interest: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes
MMO background: EQ, UO, AO, SWG, PS, EQ2, L2,EQoA, WoW, WWIIO, and AC2
Not so nice guy!
Yes, PvP is 100% optional at server selection.
I just wish they would understand that raiding has to be optional as well, as raiding is certainly killing grouping, it is insidious and long, however in the long run, it is my belief that PvE raiding kills grouping in a way that PvP can't. PvP can't crush the hope, you may STILL do it, maybe at 5 AM on Tuesday when everyone is asleep, still...can do it.
Raiding leave no hope, no dream, no expectation... you are nothing without raiding, nobody will be grouping you or favorising you at group building, since you are a second rated grouper, because you don't raid...yet they will pick peoples who don't really devoted themselves to grouping...peoples that will abandon a group any moment a raiding option show itself, no matter if you have invested hours and are deep in a very strong grouping thing...grouping deserves commitment!
But back on the original topic, have no fear, Brad understand that pretty well and PvP won't be screwing with PvE...if only he could understand about raiding...
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
From what I understand this game will be focused on grouping.
Their will be areas for Solo play, and there will be areas for raid parties. But the majority of the content will be groups.
So as a guess I would say this game is proabablly 50% group, 25% solo, 25% raid. best case scenerio.
Worse case more like 70% group, 15% raid, 15% solo?
That is my assumption, with nothing to back it up other then a lot of reading on this game.
Not so nice guy!
I would venture to guess that for some it's to stomp out negativity and shove it up the person's...bum. First time visiting this part of the forum (I've recently been reading up on Vanguard) and I see my belief that some people do take game-bashing to an almost "godly crusade" sort of level is true.
Jonaku, you're not going to change anyone's opinion here on the game that already has one. So what exactly are you trying to prove?