Originally posted by Sacrificiall Plus SOE is leaving the development bizz, The realise they suck so they are just going to take the route of Publishing & Hosting"...Problem is so many people hate them so much that the second they see SOE they say NOOOO!!!!!!...
SOE is NOT leaving the development bizz. From John Smedley's blog on August 1st: "We have four diverse MMO titles in internal development" (source: http://stationblog.wordpress.com/2006/08/01/this-and-that/). They have a co-marketing relationship with Sigil. They are developing an MMO for DC Comics.
It would make perfect business sense for SOE to buy out Sigil completely 12 to 18 months from now. And then SOE can launch an New Game Enhancement for Vanguard. Whoopee!
Originally posted by jonaku Vanguard has attracted hordes of criticism, attacks and "hate" and the game is not even out of beta. This is quite unprecedented for a game in development to attract so much negative publicity so organically. Go take a gander at the message boards here on MMORPG.com that deal with other games in development like Gods&Heroes, Age of Conan, Huxley, Hero's Journey, Star Trek Online, Tabula Rasa, Warhammer Online... you won't see even one tenth of the hate that you see here in the Vanguard forum. (1) Why is Vanguard hated by so many people and what lessons can be learned from this experience? (2) To what degree is this the fault of the devs, its PR department or just a unique anomaly in the MMO gaming industry?
Actually, there isn't. Rather, there are less than 6 or so people who post a LOT on these boards with flat out misinformation on a campaign to mislead people about the game. You're one of them and have been caught flat out lying about the game. And obviously, you'd like to believe you've corrupted this board into believing a bunch of mistruths and negativity regarding Vanguard. Enjoy your delusions.
That said, it is to some degree the fault of our PR that until recently we've allowed people like you to spew this stuff all over this board. But that's come to and end. The information is there, including on this board, and the ultra-minority of you who apparently have nothing else to do but post lies and misinformation about the game have recently been called to task. Your misinformation has been answered with information.
Btw, I have used strong language in this post -- Jonaku has been caught on this board lying -- he posts things that he knows aren't true, and he's even posted references to other posts to support his argument that he himself contributed the misinformation to. I don't mind skeptics. I don't mind criticism. I don't mind doubt and a we'll wait and see attitude. I don't even mind a "I don't believe you and won't until I see otherwise." But look at this very thread -- it was created by one of the chief ministers of misinformation when it comes to Vanguard, trying to come across as confused as to why there is so much negativity. The irony is almost hiliarious. Lies won't stand -- they will be answered with actual information. You can believe it or not, you can like it or not, but it's here now (and was before, though to a a lesser degree, and I thank very much those who before we started focusing on this board fought the good fight).
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Originally posted by Aradune Actually, there isn't. Rather, there are less than 6 or so people who post a LOT on these boards with flat out misinformation on a campaign to mislead people about the game. You're one of them and have been caught flat out lying about the game. And obviously, you'd like to believe you've corrupted this board into believing a bunch of mistruths and negativity regarding Vanguard. Enjoy your delusions.
QFT, and you're one of my ten thousand heroes now Brad.
People post hate and criticism cause it's fun to talk crap on the interweb. Perhaps it is more prevalent with Vanguard because they think that the fans will get riled up more than other Games in Development?
Originally posted by Dabble People post hate and criticism cause it's fun to talk crap on the interweb. Perhaps it is more prevalent with Vanguard because they think that the fans will get riled up more than other Games in Development?
this sums it up right here, jonaku's reaction after hearing about the soe/sigil co-publishing agreement...
originally posted by jonaku
wow, i cant believe brad went over to the dark side. darth smed is truly a powerful jedi master.
aside from ruining my weekend, i guess i'll check out hero's journey, dark and light, warhammer online as the mmos to look forward to. vanguard is dead to me now.
and there is another.... bioware...
as i have been saying all along, jonaku is just on some sort of anti-soe crusade and from reading that post he was once a fan....now all of a sudden vanguard sucks and he feels the need to warn people how bad it sucks?
whats really funny when you think about it is, he is doing all this trolling and spamming of the boards all because he is butthurt over soe.
there is alot of people that wont play vanguard because of soe but yet none of them troll and spam as much as he does, not even close. they give their opinion or two and make it somewhat civil.
he clearly must have been emotionally scared over something soe did to him so he feels he must troll and spam these boards with a truly relentless effort....pretty pathetic if you think about it.
sorry if this comes off as a bit harsh, i hope i don't get this post deleted but its the freaking truth and have been wanting to make a post like this for some time now...so mods, do your worst!
as i have been saying all along, jonaku is just on some sort of anti-soe crusade and from reading that post he was once a fan....now all of a sudden vanguard sucks and he feels the need to warn people how bad it sucks? whats really funny when you think about it is, he is doing all this trolling and spamming of the boards all because he is butthurt over soe. there is alot of people that wont play vanguard because of soe but yet none of them troll and spam as much as he does, not even close. they give their opinion or two and make it somewhat civil. he clearly must have been emotionally scared over something soe did to him so he feels he must troll and spam these boards with a truly relentless effort....pretty pathetic if you think about it. sorry if this comes off as a bit harsh, i hope i don't get this post deleted but its the freaking truth and have been wanting to make a post like this for some time now...so mods, do your worst!
No, your conclusion is false. Jonaku began bashing Vanguard LONG before SOE got involved. He has been bashing Vanguard since January 2005 mainly because it does not intend to be a solo haven like WoW. Perhaps SOE scarred him enough to put him on an antigrouping crusade, but the center is not about SOE. There is something deeper, which is sad because Sigil really gave him a chance.
Originally posted by jonaku It would make perfect business sense for SOE to buy out Sigil completely 12 to 18 months from now. And then SOE can launch an New Game Enhancement for Vanguard. Whoopee!
I see this a lot, but it has no reason behind it. What would force Sigil to sell? Sigil is an independant company with total ownership of the Vanguard realm (IP and publishing rights). I cannot imagine he spends his time in this backwater dive in the name of greed.
No, your conclusion is false. Jonaku began bashing Vanguard LONG before SOE got involved. He has been bashing Vanguard since January 2005 mainly because it does not intend to be a solo haven like WoW. Perhaps SOE scarred him enough to put him on an antigrouping crusade, but the center is not about SOE. There is something deeper, which is sad because Sigil really gave him a chance.
umm no actually his posting history speaks for itself, he never even posted in this forum until that announcement and as you can see from the quote he was once a fan or at least it seems like it.
if he was bashing vanguard on another site before that then great, I'm just referring to this website only because i have never seen him post anywhere els.
umm no actually his posting history speaks for itself, he never even posted in this forum until that announcement and as you can see from the quote he was once a fan or at least it seems like it. if he was bashing vanguard on another site before that then great, I'm just referring to this website only because i have never seen him post anywhere els.
I understand that you have not seen him anywhere else, but he has been bashing for quite a while. A fan? LOL
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SOE is NOT leaving the development bizz. From John Smedley's blog on August 1st: "We have four diverse MMO titles in internal development" (source: http://stationblog.wordpress.com/2006/08/01/this-and-that/). They have a co-marketing relationship with Sigil. They are developing an MMO for DC Comics.
It would make perfect business sense for SOE to buy out Sigil completely 12 to 18 months from now. And then SOE can launch an New Game Enhancement for Vanguard. Whoopee!
Actually, there isn't. Rather, there are less than 6 or so people who post a LOT on these boards with flat out misinformation on a campaign to mislead people about the game. You're one of them and have been caught flat out lying about the game. And obviously, you'd like to believe you've corrupted this board into believing a bunch of mistruths and negativity regarding Vanguard. Enjoy your delusions.
That said, it is to some degree the fault of our PR that until recently we've allowed people like you to spew this stuff all over this board. But that's come to and end. The information is there, including on this board, and the ultra-minority of you who apparently have nothing else to do but post lies and misinformation about the game have recently been called to task. Your misinformation has been answered with information.
Btw, I have used strong language in this post -- Jonaku has been caught on this board lying -- he posts things that he knows aren't true, and he's even posted references to other posts to support his argument that he himself contributed the misinformation to. I don't mind skeptics. I don't mind criticism. I don't mind doubt and a we'll wait and see attitude. I don't even mind a "I don't believe you and won't until I see otherwise." But look at this very thread -- it was created by one of the chief ministers of misinformation when it comes to Vanguard, trying to come across as confused as to why there is so much negativity. The irony is almost hiliarious. Lies won't stand -- they will be answered with actual information. You can believe it or not, you can like it or not, but it's here now (and was before, though to a a lesser degree, and I thank very much those who before we started focusing on this board fought the good fight).
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Brad McQuaid
CCO, Visionary Realms, Inc.
www.pantheonmmo.com
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People post hate and criticism cause it's fun to talk crap on the interweb. Perhaps it is more prevalent with Vanguard because they think that the fans will get riled up more than other Games in Development?
this sums it up right here, jonaku's reaction after hearing about the soe/sigil co-publishing agreement...
as i have been saying all along, jonaku is just on some sort of anti-soe crusade and from reading that post he was once a fan....now all of a sudden vanguard sucks and he feels the need to warn people how bad it sucks?
whats really funny when you think about it is, he is doing all this trolling and spamming of the boards all because he is butthurt over soe.
there is alot of people that wont play vanguard because of soe but yet none of them troll and spam as much as he does, not even close. they give their opinion or two and make it somewhat civil.
he clearly must have been emotionally scared over something soe did to him so he feels he must troll and spam these boards with a truly relentless effort....pretty pathetic if you think about it.
sorry if this comes off as a bit harsh, i hope i don't get this post deleted but its the freaking truth and have been wanting to make a post like this for some time now...so mods, do your worst!
No, your conclusion is false. Jonaku began bashing Vanguard LONG before SOE got involved. He has been bashing Vanguard since January 2005 mainly because it does not intend to be a solo haven like WoW. Perhaps SOE scarred him enough to put him on an antigrouping crusade, but the center is not about SOE. There is something deeper, which is sad because Sigil really gave him a chance.
umm no actually his posting history speaks for itself, he never even posted in this forum until that announcement and as you can see from the quote he was once a fan or at least it seems like it.
if he was bashing vanguard on another site before that then great, I'm just referring to this website only because i have never seen him post anywhere els.