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PyscoJuggalo
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If you have the post with your first reaction to the NGE, post it.
My post:
WTF??????
I still can't believe the dumbasses pulled this number!
My post:
WTF??????
I still can't believe the dumbasses pulled this number!
--When you resubscribe to SWG, an 18 yearold Stripper finds Jesus, gives up stripping, and moves with a rolex reverend to Hawaii.
--In MMORPG's l007 is the opiate of the masses.
--The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence!
--CCP could cut off an Eve player's fun bits, and that player would say that it was good CCP did that.
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heh here it is ala' cut and paste :
Ok so yeah i quit 2 weeks after CU1 hit was a MAS/MM and a MBH/MP (yeah yeah i know pistols in those days ). Well i hear about NGE from a friend who still lurks the forums and saw this new NGE stuff and i think hey lets go try it out.
DL ... install .... patch ... register ...
OK the opening was good , great movie and running into Han and hearing Vader chasing the Falcon was pretty cool ... at this point im like hell yeah! thumbs up! -- next cutscene to ...
Space Station T something - nice looking place and Boba Fett right off the bat. Now i run into the UI and combat ... WTF ... the camera is locked in RE4 mode yuck and this click to fight thing really blows after about 20 mins i had to log out my hand hurt from having to click 37482039472 times.
I dont understand this combat thing i can already see all the ways to abuse this thing to avoid damage from PVP. Also if you guys ever played SB you remember the old stack defence? This will work well here too. stack up on the medics and put ranged on outside of the stack and everytime someone shoots into the stack they will hit a different target and wont be able to pile on damage to single targets, a medic or 2 will have zero problem keeping up with since the damage wil not be alpha strikes on single targets but minors hits to several different targets. ( try it it will work you pvp guys)
anyway an hour later i log back in ... uh oh i lost all my rewards for the quests i had compeleted before i logged ( weapon and uniform some belts and rings etc...) wow nice bug had to start completely over. another hugely stupid bug if you shoot a melee mob with a ranged weapon 35 m away it will warp , not walk or run ... warp as in instaly teleport to you, to your feet and start beating on you nice that one is.also ranged mobs can shoot thru anything ( walls, up 2 floors if you run and take an elevator, barrels , other npcs, players, etc..) you cant everything blocks your shots, see why the stack defence will work? and a non declared player standing in front of you in pvp will work as a shield and allow you to heal and/or get away.
kiting is in full swing run and gun if you have the dex to steer .. aim ... click(shoot) ... and heal all at same time. If your melee you cant hit someone kiting you ..it is not possible, you can not swing your weapon while moving no matter how many times you click the game wont allow you to walk and fight unless you got a gun. so poor melee which hey it is star wars and guns rule i guess so take this or leave it.
anyway so again 20 mins in and my hand hurts so im thinking lets reroll and be a trader ... WTF
wow sad that a master engineer can make food better than chef , clothes better than tailor, etc ( ME is only one to get master aritsan and 10 exp points rest stop at 6) anyway that was stupid and since nothing ever decays or breaks i didnt do this much at all, the interface is relativly the same except your items will be exaclty the same everytime you make them or anyone else makes them exact same.
anyway so im sitting here like wow on paper tbh i thought this NGE thing looked pretty good ( if SWG would have been released like this by now it proly would be a kick ass game). SO for idsea i kinda like it for implementation boooooo horrible its not even beta quality yet .. id say late alpha at best. so i wont be playing or trying it again for another month or so , to see if SOE can fix it.
last but not least i would like to point out that the UI has a very limited customization that ( according to forums) is affecting our players with disabilities ... you know my father is disabled and from talking to him( god he loves this game, i think i actaully saw him shed a tear when he removed it from his compy) ,SWG had a rep for being the ONLY MMORPG that someone with motorskill and/or certain physical disabilities had a chance of being able to play. The community for for this was huge in SWG he had made LOTs of friends in similar circumstances and now NOT ONE of them are able to play it anymore. shame on you SOE i mean really shame on you for taking away one of the few good reputations you had in that gamer community that of being disabled friendly. ( IF i offended anyone with improper use of "disabled" i apologize i, do not mean anything negative or harmful in anyway please excuse my ignorace).
anyway my advice is simple .. DL the 10 day thing ... try it in 10 days you can pretty much take all 9 proffs to level 10 took 3 hours for an officer 2 for BH etc ... and if you like it move on but be warned the game after this area is NOTHING like that at all not even close. I would persoanlly wait 1-2 months before i put down the cash to buy the game and all the expansions as getting into this game isnt cheap as except for JTL every expansion needed will cost you an extra 20$ over the 30$ for the game.
take it or leave it , but try it 1st before committing.
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there it was .
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
Re: WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY DOING?
Ackehece
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am out as well.
Imperial stormtroopers are so precise
And I thought the CU couldn't get any worse.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
Made 7'th December 2005
Ofcourse, with my GF playing MXO and EQ2, I returned to the fight with a All Access Pass later
Master troll, at your service
--When you resubscribe to SWG, an 18 yearold Stripper finds Jesus, gives up stripping, and moves with a rolex reverend to Hawaii.
--In MMORPG's l007 is the opiate of the masses.
--The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence!
--CCP could cut off an Eve player's fun bits, and that player would say that it was good CCP did that.
I was unsubscribed at the time the NGE hit, so I wasn't discussing it there at the time. The closest thing would be my goodbye post on my server forum after I resubbed for a month:
http://soe.lithium.com/swg/board/message?board.id=Eclipse&message.id=719276#M719276
Dasharr Eandall, SWG, Smuggler/Pistoleer (retired after 2.5+ years)
My God.... Does SOE/Lucas Arts have any clue on what they are doing? Do either of them have ANY real vision? And here is another little tidbit of information .... SWG was in Development for FOUR YEARS BEFORE IT WAS RELEASED TO THE STORES BACK IN JUNE '03. So WHY all the changes? To justify a job?
Now remember when all these changes have occurred, they broke ALL KINDS OF STUFF. We would spend MONTHS waiting for them to fix all the stuff they broke. Oh, they would get it fixed sure enough .... just in time for the next patch and we start all over. Who the hell likes learning to play a new game every 3 to 6 months?
So to all you non-veteran players, you can like NGE. I don't really care. But, unless you walked in the shoes of a veteran player, unless you have spent the countless hours developing your toon, unless you have spent hundreds of dollars playing this game .... back off. I say that knowing, that unless Sony, SOE and Lucas Arts stop screwing the game up, you too will be writing posts like this one and canceling your account(s) also.
And to you Sony, SOE, and Lucas Arts: you reap what you sow. I have heard that a lot of these changes in NGE is due to the new console game for SWG. Thanks for dumping on us veterans. My kid and I truly enjoyed playing this game. But enough is enough. I will no longer contribute to your salary anymore. Not only that, but I will I NOT be buying anything (like any type of product) from you in the future. But I promise to spread the news about how wonderful you are to your customers.
Old saying: Mangement has the right to mismanage. Guess that is why out of 181 people in my friends list (and I have cleaned it out twice over the years) there is only like 2 - 5 that are on, possibly 7 on a good day compared to 30 or more pre-nge.
No you can't have my stuff.
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What soe should do IF they are interested in saving the game:
The server populations are WAAAAAY down. Migrate the accounts for 6-10 of the lowest populated servers to others and then make the 6-10 servers either CU or Pre-CU.
Now I understand the cost of supporting code and that you can't support code for 2 different types of games even if they are both called SWG. So I propose that the servers that get Pre-CU or CU on them are left completely and totally alone as far as balance issues goes. Players use them as is.
Now there is the bug issue. If the servers are truly set up with the "last known good" there won't be many bugs. Quickly fix whatever bugs there are and then be done with that.
As long as NO new patches, changes, or updates are pushed out to those servers they will not have any new issues. Just LEAVE THEM ALONE. Thus soe will only support one set of code.
NOW in the interim, soe can see what people want to play and they are back to making money again. soe needs to do something or the game WILL die. Of course, Smedley may just assume to take this game right to the grave. The horrible reviews all over the internet will make this happen.
I would first make these servers available to those that have been playing SWG the longest. Sorry to all you new guys that would like to go. Not sayig you can't but there needs to be a pecking order.
This can be done. Smedley's own words:
"That would require us to support 2 separate versions of the codebase and we're just not able to do that. We couldn't simply put up a version like this unsupported.. what if someone found a really bad exploit?"
I couldn't have said the things expressed any better than you did, thumbs up. I played at launch and remember when everyone banded together to accomplish things, nothing was handed to you and it was great. I remember my first day in the world and I was blown away, I walked the streets of theed talking and training then going hunting and making camp after a fierce battle and talking about everyones plans and how cool it was gonna be.
I left for a year or so after 6 months for greener pastures, at that point there were no vehicles and things were tough maybe to tough, I needed a break. I came back with a friend and then CU hit and we started the village grind. Though I'm not sure which combat style I liked better I loved the quest for jedi even though it was a hard grind. So finally getting within around a month from what a friend and I figured of grinding out all the village stuff and starting to bulild my jedi NGE was dropped on us. We tried to like it, we really gave it a chance but it was to much of a mess. I remember thinking this wouldn't even qualify as beta.
I left around 8 months ago and didn't regret my choice, but this month I had to check back with friends and renewed my station pass since I was playing a bit of EQII, no friends left I mean I saw one person I knew in 3 weeks now. The servers have so few people its mind blowing. My city is a ghost town and so little is left at 90 besides PVP and the PVP means nothing.
I looked around for 3 weeks now and can barely see any difference between 8 months ago and now. Well, I take that back, around 200k less in subs and a inflated market due to no degrading of items. I'm truly disappointed in the eventual shutdown that is only a matter of time, but at least a new game could be born in the future.
Peace
I just looked up my first post on the subject of the NGE from 11/06/2005 while I was testing the changes. I am SOOO embarassed. I actually urged people to give this thing a chance before quitting!
Funny thing is, 5 days after NGE was released I disappeared from the boards. I just can't believe I ever defended this crap. I think I was blinded by my abject hatred of the CU.
I sincerely ask everybody to forgive my positive spin on the NGE a week before launch. I must have been sick. I could not have been more wrong than in those posts!
I realize I said I quit. I never said it was forever
I went into the NGE trying to be optimistic.
When the CU hit, I got really pissed off and was about to quit playing and a dude from my guild convinced me to give it a solid shot and I ended up enjoying the CU overall.
So this was my first post after running the patcher:
ROFFLEPWNED!
Love, Sodapop
I realize I said I quit. I never said it was forever
--When you resubscribe to SWG, an 18 yearold Stripper finds Jesus, gives up stripping, and moves with a rolex reverend to Hawaii.
--In MMORPG's l007 is the opiate of the masses.
--The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence!
--CCP could cut off an Eve player's fun bits, and that player would say that it was good CCP did that.
CU Reaction - "What's happened to my buffs and why is the Starport empty???"
NGE Reaction - "Why can't I use my rifle anymore and why is everyone a jedi???"
I had two professions and both were either taken away or gimped. I cancelled, no surprise.
I realize I said I quit. I never said it was forever
Yeah my best friend in the game was a Master Doc / Master Swordsman who quit because all the buffs he had worked so hard to perfect were rendered pointless. All those resources gathered were useless to him. So I lost a best friend with the CU.
I was a Master Rifleman as well, and the drastic changes of the CU were bad enough. All my fun shots were taken away and the sound effects were made so trashy. I quit, came back, then quit with the NGE because none of those crappy iconic professions were what I was, A Master Rifleman.
I realize I said I quit. I never said it was forever
How about web server. You put it up, point the wwwroot and are done with it. Take apache, it's stable enough.
In about 1 month tops the server will be crashing in apocalyptic manner.
SWG servers are a bunch of proprietary software, patched through horrible methods, with teams moving between projects. Exploit here goes beyond double slicing a pistol. Exploits involve network attacks, account theft, data malformation, database corruption, and more. Since the software operates on the same network and using the same protocols as live version, having an unmonitored server is hackers godsend.
Despite what many would believe about customer service, there are people monitoring live servers. Issues are resolved, problems are fixed. But many of those are transparent. Sometimes a simple change of a database entry can fix a whole chain of problems.
And there's more. MMOs evolve. Look at how spawns need to be constantly monitored and adjusted (ZOMG NERFS!!11) to keep in-game relations healthy. Assuming someone finds a broken NPC that drops a certain item. That's the weakest of all exploits when such item is instantly overfarmed. Aakuan caves anyone? In that particular case, the spawn was left in since it didn't affect much. It actually kept inflation at bay due to overabundance of tapes. The holocron spawn at the imperial facility. DWB farming. And all that needs to be monitored.
So, you might not like the man, but there is some technical truth in it.
If you know that you have at most 100k in subs left and you know many of those are station users who play other games such as EQII, why wouldn't you revert the servers from a backup to the old system. Currently I would say that it may be too late to draw everyone back, SOE has destroyed their image in the MMO community, but they would at least do better than 100k in subs.
Anyone who has walked around in the current state of the game knows what I'm talking about. Wanna get a master robe, not enough around to do droid factory, wanna buy one 20 million. All anyone wants to do now is farm the DWB or PVP and neither really lead to anything in the current state of the game.
If SOE really gave two shits about what community is left and the people that would return they would revert, but... this would require SOE to admit that they made a huge mistake and knowly screwed over their entire customer base, something that John Smedley will never do.
It IS NOT impossible to revert, its the we're always right mentality of SOE and Smedley specifically that is keeping such an event from happening. It will cost them the license and destroy a once great game but then Smedley can say, "well the game had run its course, nothing could stop the shrinkage in our customer base but we did what we could to keep them", we all know its B.S. but SOE loves to spin everything in the media in such a way that they will try to rational this course of events and the death of SWG as what would have happened no matter what. LA won't allow the customer base to get below 50k in my opinion and at that point I could see them yanking the license and the game for retooling by the Austin Bioware team since they have a few notable team members from the Pre CU SWG team, but honestly it may be to late for that also.
Sadly its most likely RIP for SWG, and hurry up SWG2 sans SOE.
Peace
Proud Master CH -
Sorry,
Proud FORMER Master CH...
my toon was untimely converted into something more Star Warsy
How about web server. You put it up, point the wwwroot and are done with it. Take apache, it's stable enough.
In about 1 month tops the server will be crashing in apocalyptic manner.
SWG servers are a bunch of proprietary software, patched through horrible methods, with teams moving between projects. Exploit here goes beyond double slicing a pistol. Exploits involve network attacks, account theft, data malformation, database corruption, and more. Since the software operates on the same network and using the same protocols as live version, having an unmonitored server is hackers godsend.
Despite what many would believe about customer service, there are people monitoring live servers. Issues are resolved, problems are fixed. But many of those are transparent. Sometimes a simple change of a database entry can fix a whole chain of problems.
And there's more. MMOs evolve. Look at how spawns need to be constantly monitored and adjusted (ZOMG NERFS!!11) to keep in-game relations healthy. Assuming someone finds a broken NPC that drops a certain item. That's the weakest of all exploits when such item is instantly overfarmed. Aakuan caves anyone? In that particular case, the spawn was left in since it didn't affect much. It actually kept inflation at bay due to overabundance of tapes. The holocron spawn at the imperial facility. DWB farming. And all that needs to be monitored.
So, you might not like the man, but there is some technical truth in it.
The only thing Smedley was refering to when he said 'exploits" was exploit in the code. He was talking about managing two sets of code.
ANY reasonable person who was willing to accept that $OE can not manage two sets of code should be willing to accept that this version of code will not "evolve" due to resource limitaions. It will be played as is. If that is not acceptable then you do not have to subscribe.
However, again any reasonable person knowing that the version of the game is not going to evolve but IS paying a monthly fee would expect that $OE would provide secure stable servers to play on. That does not mean they have to manage the code ... just the servers.
You make it sound as if $OE would throw the servers up, take in millions of dollars from people that are willing to pay to play, and NOT provide ANY type of service in return.
I can gaurantee you that I can build any computer with any operation system on it and as long as I don't go out to the internet and start browsing, that that computer/server will stay up as long as I leave it alone. I have been in IT for 10 years providing Desktop Support. Eight years ago I had a Windows NT 4.0 machine that was my main pc. NT 4.0 was one of the most unstable operating systems ever (ME was worse) but that machine lasted over 2 yrs as a production machine with nothing more that critical updates done to it.
am out as well.
Imperial stormtroopers are so precise
Gotta respect that GS thats for sure.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Master troll, at your service
lol Um... K
Look up adamrk and iskareot -- lol, ... here
http://soe.lithium.com/swg/search?submitted=true&type=user&q=iskareot&page_size=10&index=public
And my friends that he gave to me after mine ran out
http://soe.lithium.com/swg/search?submitted=true&type=user&q=adamrk&page_size=10&index=public
yeah so needless to say, my job allowed alot of time. lol
______________________________
I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Master troll, at your service
lol Um... K
Look up adamrk and iskareot -- lol, ... here
http://soe.lithium.com/swg/search?submitted=true&type=user&q=iskareot&page_size=10&index=public
And my friends that he gave to me after mine ran out
http://soe.lithium.com/swg/search?submitted=true&type=user&q=adamrk&page_size=10&index=public
yeah so needless to say, my job allowed alot of time. lol
Dammit!
Knew that period where I did'nt post for 6 months will catch up with me....
I mean holy crap, that is impressive, over 17K posts
And access to computers at work IS a great thing....
--When you resubscribe to SWG, an 18 yearold Stripper finds Jesus, gives up stripping, and moves with a rolex reverend to Hawaii.
--In MMORPG's l007 is the opiate of the masses.
--The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence!
--CCP could cut off an Eve player's fun bits, and that player would say that it was good CCP did that.
Letter to GL
"The man who exchanges Liberty for Iconic classes is a fool deserving of neither." - Me and Ben Franklin