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Doddy · March 2004

Hey new to this room, but I was/still am a keen member of Asheron's Call. Only problem is I have moved house and my computer needs to be upgraded, so Im stuck on work machine. I havnt played Ahserons but I have been looking for a new comp just to play asherons and the new asheron's Call 2, Just a question, Anyone know what is happening with Microsoft and Turbine and when I can get connected to AC2. I have read reviews but want to discuss it with someone. By the way, I live in Australia

Gendail · March 2004

Microsoft gave 100% control of AC1 and AC2 back to Turbine. MS no longer has anything to do with either game at all.

You should be able to get connected to AC2 whenever you want, afaik it hasn't been shut down or anything, it is still in complete operation.

BKOOL · March 2004

The only problem I know of between turbine and microsoft is that microsoft made turbine release the game to early. This is why in the beginning there were some bugs, and that is why i left the game. I've heard though that they got most of the bugs out in later patches and it's probably a really good game.

I do not know if there are any more recent problems between microsoft and turbine, but when dealing with microsoft there probably are.

Other than that it is a good game and I would recommend it to anyone.

Finwe · March 2004

AC1, great, innovative and fun, AC2.....Somone get me the barf bowl.

Razorback · March 2004

Agreed AC1 was good AC2 was creamypuff boring eyecandy...

Um as for Old Skool ?? I think you mean UO and backwards if your gonna talk Old Skool.... EQ only just qualifys ehrn you consider thousands of people played NWN(CGA) and Dragon Realms(text Mud) long before the term MMORPG was even a dirty thought.

Not being a dick.... ok maybe a bit.... just observing that AC was actually 2nd generation pretty much

hercules · March 2004

Nope second generation mmorpg started with anarchy online.

AC1 is still considered a first generation.

AC2 is considered the start of the 3rd generation.

Finwe · March 2004

UO I say was the only first generation game. EQ and AC were 2nd generation, AO and DAoC were third generation. Then if you want to get really technical first generation ancients, those ol muds back in de day.

Razorback · March 2004

Originally posted by Finwe
UO I say was the only first generation game. EQ and AC were 2nd generation, AO and DAoC were third generation. Then if you want to get really technical first generation ancients, those ol muds back in de day.

that was certainly my understanding.....

Maybe someone needs to do a MMO timeline like the ascent of man thing lol

"In the begining there was text muds" then Richard Garriot said "Let there be lush graphics" and there was lush graphics and the gamers saw this and knew it was good........... etc

hercules · March 2004

Originally posted by Finwe
UO I say was the only first generation game. EQ and AC were 2nd generation, AO and DAoC were third generation. Then if you want to get really technical first generation ancients, those ol muds back in de day.

If UO was the only first generation mmorpg then what of meridan 59?

Well from articles it has always been up to AC1 first generation .AO and DAoC been second gen with rest from AC2 till now been third.

There is no clear cut classification but thats how it been on many sites/articles.

Alistair · March 2004

I just pulled out an old issue of InQuest where they reviewed UO. If UO is considered first generation (no arguement there), you also have to class EQ as first generation, and here's why: as innovative and fun as UO was, and as much as I hate to say it, EQ defined the MMORPG genre. While UO beats EQ hands down in almost every gameplay aspect, the fact that EQ was based as a graphical MUD combined with the fact that it had a much larger appeal puts it as the frontrunner and key to being first generation.

You also have to put it into this light: without UO, EQ would still have existed in an almost identical incarnation. Without EQ and UO, hand in hand, the second generation of MMORPG's (I class DAOC, AO, etc. here personally) would never have existed in anything similar to their current or original incarnations.

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Gendail · March 2004

Originally posted by Razorback
Originally posted by Finwe Maybe someone needs to do a MMO timeline like the ascent of man thing lol

Well I'm not artistic enough to do a nice litte illustration showing the evolution of these games but I did compile a little release date timeline for you to take a gander at
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A Time Line of Modern MMORPGS

1996-
Meridian 59 - 3DO
Kingdom of the Winds - Nexxon ( Korea )

1997-
Ultima Online - Origin Systems

1998-
Lineage - NC Soft ( Korea )

1999-
Everquest - Verant Interactive and Sony
Asheron's Call - Turbine and Microsoft

2000-
Interestingly enough I didn't find any released in this year.

2001-
Anarchy Online - Funcom
Dark Age of Camelot - Mythic Entertainment
World War II Online - Cornered Rat Software

2002-
Asheron's Call 2 - Turbine and Microsoft
Earth and Beyond - Westwood Studios
Final Fantasy XI - Square Enix ( PS2/Japan )
Jumpgate - Netdevil
Neocron - Reakktor

2003-
EVE Online - Crowd Control Productions (CCP)
Final Fantasy XI - Square Enix ( PC/USA )
Horizons - Artifact Entertainment
Planetside - SOE (not really a mmorpg, it's a mmofps)
Shadowbane - Wolfpack Studios/Ubisoft
Star Wars Galaxies - SOE/Lucas Arts

2004-
Final Fantasy XI - Square Enix ( PS2/USA )

UPCOMMING:
In no paticular order

Lineage2
Dark and Light
Saga of Ryzom
World of Warcraft
Ultima X: Odyssey
Everquest 2
Guild Wars
City of Heroes

NOTE: Not every game in existance is in this list, I compiled this list from the more well known and popular games out there.

Finwe · March 2004

Originally posted by Alistair

I just pulled out an old issue of InQuest where they reviewed UO. If UO is considered first generation (no arguement there), you also have to class EQ as first generation, and here's why: as innovative and fun as UO was, and as much as I hate to say it, EQ defined the MMORPG genre. While UO beats EQ hands down in almost every gameplay aspect, the fact that EQ was based as a graphical MUD combined with the fact that it had a much larger appeal puts it as the frontrunner and key to being first generation.
You also have to put it into this light: without UO, EQ would still have existed in an almost identical incarnation. Without EQ and UO, hand in hand, the second generation of MMORPG's (I class DAOC, AO, etc. here personally) would never have existed in anything similar to their current or original incarnations.

Hahaha...bow down to the Nerd Halfblood warlord!!!

EQ maybe of been 3d, but it hardly makes it first generation. As I said, UO was, and as somone else pointed out, meridian 59.

Both EQ and AC1 I believe were released at the same time, or very very close to it, so if EQ was first generation, so should AC1. But they arent, they really are 2nd generation. UO brought way to EQ and AC1, and AC1 and EQ brought way to games like DAoC and AO. 1st, 2nd, 3rd.

P.S. EQ must die...

Gendail · March 2004

IMHO, 1st generation MMORPGS were any that were made PRIOR to the year 2000, this would include the following:

Meridian59
Ultima Online
Everquest
Asheron's Call
Lineage

After the year 2000, a lot of games started comming out and a lot claimed to be the "next generation of mmorpgs" or if you prefer the second generation, I wouldn't count them as 100% second generation, as to truly be a next gen you would have to do something to truly revolutionize the market, none of the games that came out between 2000-2003 did this, sure there were improvements but they all boiled down to the same formula that we have seen all along, I guess the games that came out in that time frame could be called First Generation Part II or First and a Half Gen or something like that heh. This is the year where alot of the games on the horizon seem to have a lot to offer and this could be the true second generation of games comming up only time will tell.

Finwe · March 2004

Well, if you have to do something truely revolutionary to be next generation.....Dang....we still havent gotten to 2nd generation games.

Gendail · March 2004

Originally posted by Finwe
Well, if you have to do something truely revolutionary to be next generation.....Dang....we still havent gotten to 2nd generation games.

Which is exactly what I said ::::35::

IMO we haven't trully reached the next/second generation of games

Razorback · March 2004

Played Meridian 59 too..... man Im an old fart

OneEyeRed · March 2004

Ac1 was a good game AC2 is a nightmare from hell. I am sure they have tuned it up after all this time but it was pitiful the first year of launch but then we all have different tastes so maybe you need to try it for yourself and come up with your own conclusion. Good luck!

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Alistair · March 2004

If I'm not mistaken, Brad Quaid had been developing EQ before UO was released. To say that UO paved the way for EQ is ludicrous; EQ didn't even really take customer base from UO. They were and still are completely different entities. I also never excluded AC from being first generation. It was. It just didn't have as large an impact as UO or EQ. As for the second generation, look at it like this: First generation MMORPGs are groundbreaking (UO, EQ, AC). Second generatin MMORPGs are cash cows. They try to perfect the model layed out before them by first generation MMORPGs, and are succesful somewhat in their own right. The third generation will start when something truly groundbreaking comes along, like Dark and Lights masive seamless world and constant PvP, or Ryzom's dynamic planet, or UXO's combat system, or WOW's questing system. These have the opportunity to be completely innovative if done right. If not, we'll just see more names added to the second generation list; a third wave of them, if you will.

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Alistair · March 2004

Oh, an idea I came up with after we get this topic all discussed-up. How about we put together a solid MMORPG timeline? We'll mark it by year and group the games into generations. We'll have to set down some guidelines of course, but we could start a new topic and make it all official and whatnot.

Whaddya think?

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