I really dont know what all you guys/ladies are complaining about, this is a "game". A "game" is meant to be a fun experience, not a lifestyle.
And btw all "games" are like this, if you wanna play a "game" and be the best at it, you have to play and play LONG HOURS to get better at it. Take Guild Wars for example, when you reach the end game(LvL 20) the only thing left to do is PvP, and the only way to get better at it is to go "skill farming" and "weapon farming". This takes hours upon hours upon hours of gameplay to just get the one skill/weapon you want. But it doesnt end there, take the original role playing games like D&D on paper. There it took years to get your character to get the best equipment and better levels. (knows from personall experience )
So if you want to be "casual" about a game, expect to get "casual" results. If you want to be "dedicated/hardcore" to a game, expect these people to get better results.
Personally i think Blizzard is doing a good job, i have loved all their games (StarCraft, WarCraft 1-3, WoW, etc.), no matter how long it takes for one to come out. And btw Blizzard isnt the only studio to delay and delay their expansions and so forth, take Sierra with Half Life 2, they delayed that game for AGES, yet when it came out DAMN WHAT A GOOD GAME, it was worth the wait. Wouldnt you want more of the bugs that you find with WoW to be fixed, if you think its an easy thing to do then go apply for a job at Blizzard and help everyone stop damn complaining.
And remember no game is perfect no matter what you think.
Maybe we're complaining because we're sick and tired of the old paradigms, either way, we have the right to complain, to voice our opinions and to express our dissatisfaction with a product that we pay to play. This is a given right to all consumers over any product. Businesses are proud to state 100% satisfaction guarantee or your money back, so why not with MMO's? Most of them don't let you "Try out" their product before buying at least not till its been out for a year or longer, so the risk is higher in paying for a flop. Add onto that the good chance that gameplay will change over the course of the game and many times it changes in ways that are detrimental to a large part of the subscriber base.
How many MMOs out there started out casual only to become hardcore, not just in a raiding sense, but in ridiculous amounts of artificial time sinks. I'll tell you how many, they all started out as either hardcore or became hardcore over time, every single one of them. Why? Because the devs are either clueless or just plain lazy to come up with a casual paradigm for a MMO. They probably think the effort to program casual content isn't worth the revenues it might or might not earn. Whatever the case may be, hardcore will most likely be the content of choice for a very long time and it may never change from that old and outdated formula.
That is why I no longer subscribe to these pieces of tripe that have the gall to call themselves games or entertainment software. Currently, MMO's are the venue of nerds and no-lifers. When a MMO comes out that actually embraces the mainstream player, then I might consider going back, till then they can rot in hell for all I care. I will not support these MMO companies that treat their customers like nerdish junkies on crack.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
I wanted to give my opinion about this "It's like in real life, if you work more you get more" argument that I find extremely flawed.
First, I don't really care if my neighbour has 3 cars, a bigger house, a boat and what not, because he's not waving them in front of me to send me to a graveyard in less than 10 seconds. If hardcore raiders want to spend countless hours in an instance to get gear so they can spend countless hours in next instance ad vitam eternam, fine, really good for them... It's the impact on PvP that bothers me. In my book, PvP should mean testing your SKILL as a player to overcome something else than a scripted mobs you can read hints and tips about pretty much everywhere on relevant web sites. Not a showcase of how many hours you've spent. If "playing more" meant "getting more" as in CHOICE of items instead of "getting better", that could probably solve the issue. For the same reason I can't agree either when people say "Gear HAS to get better in terms of stats". Instances don't need to get harder in the sense of requiring tougher stuff, balancing them so they still represent a UNIQUE challenge is completely feasable.
Yes I'm completely aware that being able to overcome a live opponent without the slightest effort may seem very seducing to some, however guess what, PvP ranks are based on something called "Honour", might as well give that word some meaning back in WoW. When I got busted by a full "T2+perdition blade+core hound" rogue who burned Vanish on my Faerie Fire TWICE in a ROW (yes you read right) I found that very VERY wrong.
Second, when you have more/better stuff in "real life", you also pay higher taxes for ownership. I don't mean repair costs. In WoW, both the hardcore and the casual will be charged the same to access their account.
Third, and that is slightly off-topic though it's still against that logic, there are countless jobs with scary working hours and lousy wage.
As a side note about the expansion, I'm actually curious to see how gimped one might become without getting the CD. If not owning BC means less content as in less choice (which IMO makes sense and is perfectly normal, like it should be for every game) then fine... However I guess this is all wishful thinking.
DAMN U BLIZZARD. i am so burned with WoW and i am waiting for the expansion 3 months now.i think that wow will be so awesome with the new features in expansion.i heared they will release it at the 28th of november but i cant trust blizzard.......the dont know what the hell they doing
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I really dont know what all you guys/ladies are complaining about, this is a "game". A "game" is meant to be a fun experience, not a lifestyle.
And btw all "games" are like this, if you wanna play a "game" and be the best at it, you have to play and play LONG HOURS to get better at it. Take Guild Wars for example, when you reach the end game(LvL 20) the only thing left to do is PvP, and the only way to get better at it is to go "skill farming" and "weapon farming". This takes hours upon hours upon hours of gameplay to just get the one skill/weapon you want. But it doesnt end there, take the original role playing games like D&D on paper. There it took years to get your character to get the best equipment and better levels. (knows from personall experience
)
So if you want to be "casual" about a game, expect to get "casual" results. If you want to be "dedicated/hardcore" to a game, expect these people to get better results.
Personally i think Blizzard is doing a good job, i have loved all their games (StarCraft, WarCraft 1-3, WoW, etc.), no matter how long it takes for one to come out. And btw Blizzard isnt the only studio to delay and delay their expansions and so forth, take Sierra with Half Life 2, they delayed that game for AGES, yet when it came out DAMN WHAT A GOOD GAME, it was worth the wait. Wouldnt you want more of the bugs that you find with WoW to be fixed, if you think its an easy thing to do then go apply for a job at Blizzard and help everyone stop damn complaining.
And remember no game is perfect no matter what you think.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy
I found it hard
It's hard to find
Oh Well
Whatever
Nevermind
Maybe we're complaining because we're sick and tired of the old paradigms, either way, we have the right to complain, to voice our opinions and to express our dissatisfaction with a product that we pay to play. This is a given right to all consumers over any product. Businesses are proud to state 100% satisfaction guarantee or your money back, so why not with MMO's? Most of them don't let you "Try out" their product before buying at least not till its been out for a year or longer, so the risk is higher in paying for a flop. Add onto that the good chance that gameplay will change over the course of the game and many times it changes in ways that are detrimental to a large part of the subscriber base.
How many MMOs out there started out casual only to become hardcore, not just in a raiding sense, but in ridiculous amounts of artificial time sinks. I'll tell you how many, they all started out as either hardcore or became hardcore over time, every single one of them. Why? Because the devs are either clueless or just plain lazy to come up with a casual paradigm for a MMO. They probably think the effort to program casual content isn't worth the revenues it might or might not earn. Whatever the case may be, hardcore will most likely be the content of choice for a very long time and it may never change from that old and outdated formula.
That is why I no longer subscribe to these pieces of tripe that have the gall to call themselves games or entertainment software. Currently, MMO's are the venue of nerds and no-lifers. When a MMO comes out that actually embraces the mainstream player, then I might consider going back, till then they can rot in hell for all I care. I will not support these MMO companies that treat their customers like nerdish junkies on crack.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
First, I don't really care if my neighbour has 3 cars, a bigger house, a boat and what not, because he's not waving them in front of me to send me to a graveyard in less than 10 seconds. If hardcore raiders want to spend countless hours in an instance to get gear so they can spend countless hours in next instance ad vitam eternam, fine, really good for them... It's the impact on PvP that bothers me.
In my book, PvP should mean testing your SKILL as a player to overcome something else than a scripted mobs you can read hints and tips about pretty much everywhere on relevant web sites. Not a showcase of how many hours you've spent. If "playing more" meant "getting more" as in CHOICE of items instead of "getting better", that could probably solve the issue. For the same reason I can't agree either when people say "Gear HAS to get better in terms of stats". Instances don't need to get harder in the sense of requiring tougher stuff, balancing them so they still represent a UNIQUE challenge is completely feasable.
Yes I'm completely aware that being able to overcome a live opponent without the slightest effort may seem very seducing to some, however guess what, PvP ranks are based on something called "Honour", might as well give that word some meaning back in WoW.
When I got busted by a full "T2+perdition blade+core hound" rogue who burned Vanish on my Faerie Fire TWICE in a ROW (yes you read right) I found that very VERY wrong.
Second, when you have more/better stuff in "real life", you also pay higher taxes for ownership. I don't mean repair costs. In WoW, both the hardcore and the casual will be charged the same to access their account.
Third, and that is slightly off-topic though it's still against that logic, there are countless jobs with scary working hours and lousy wage.
As a side note about the expansion, I'm actually curious to see how gimped one might become without getting the CD. If not owning BC means less content as in less choice (which IMO makes sense and is perfectly normal, like it should be for every game) then fine... However I guess this is all wishful thinking.
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R.I.P. Laura "Taera" Genender
DAMN U BLIZZARD. i am so burned with WoW and i am waiting for the expansion 3 months now.i think that wow will be so awesome with the new features in expansion.i heared they will release it at the 28th of november but i cant trust blizzard.......the dont know what the hell they doing