After DDO flopped, what chance does LOTR have to succeed

admriker4

Will gamers be willing to even look over LOTR after DDO flopped ? Besides Middle Earth, nothing has influenced gaming more than Dungeons and Dragons so one would assume the MMO version would have to be great. Yet it will go down in MMO history as one of the most disappointing MMO's ever.

What chance then does LOTR have of breaking the mold and being a success ? Turbine isnt known for making decent MMO's. Their record is dismal in the field. Reviews from E3 dont exactly set our expectations high either. Phrases like "nothing new" and "boring" were tosses around. Turbine even admitted it didnt add anything innovative.

Translation, a clone of games we already have so whats the reason to buy this game then ? The gameplay itself better be fun or watch it fail.

Finally, one can infer how the game is doing in beta by the blank reviews. Take a look here at all the blank reviews...

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/setStart/21/gameId/45

 My guess is they violated the NDA and therefore mmorpg.com blanked them out. Why would someone risk losing their beta account unless they no longer cared to play and test it. The answer is quite simple, the game stinks.

My faith is shattered and it would take a miracle for turbine to do something to pull this out of the discount bin over the next few months. Back to reading the books I guess

darc21

Ive just been reading the alpha and beta journals for LOTRO and drooling in anticipation. The feedback has been ammazing and the game sounds immersing and epic. Acctually try and find sum feedback or play the beta before you start slagging it off!

anarchyart

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Originally posted by admriker4

Will gamers be willing to even look over LOTR after DDO flopped ? Besides Middle Earth, nothing has influenced gaming more than Dungeons and Dragons so one would assume the MMO version would have to be great. Yet it will go down in MMO history as one of the most disappointing MMO's ever.
What chance then does LOTR have of breaking the mold and being a success ? Turbine isnt known for making decent MMO's. Their record is dismal in the field. Reviews from E3 dont exactly set our expectations high either. Phrases like "nothing new" and "boring" were tosses around. Turbine even admitted it didnt add anything innovative.
Translation, a clone of games we already have so whats the reason to buy this game then ? The gameplay itself better be fun or watch it fail.
Finally, one can infer how the game is doing in beta by the blank reviews. Take a look here at all the blank reviews...
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/setStart/21/gameId/45
 My guess is they violated the NDA and therefore mmorpg.com blanked them out. Why would someone risk losing their beta account unless they no longer cared to play and test it. The answer is quite simple, the game stinks.
My faith is shattered and it would take a miracle for turbine to do something to pull this out of the discount bin over the next few months. Back to reading the books I guess

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WoW he's back, and trolling a game in it's own forum. Will wonders never cease.

admriker4

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Originally posted by darc21
Ive just been reading the alpha and beta journals for LOTRO and drooling in anticipation. The feedback has been ammazing and the game sounds immersing and epic. Acctually try and find sum feedback or play the beta before you start slagging it off!

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umm can you say fanboi ?

Look Im just about the biggest Tolkien fan there is but Im not blind to the facts.

1. turbine has a terrible track record for mmo development

2. players will always violate an NDA when the game is bad. Take a look at all of blank reviews here under hyped section. There have been so many breaking the NDA to warn us that mmorpg.com made a stickie post here warning against nda violations.

3. This game has been in development for over 8 years. Its been scrapped and redeveloped at least 3 times over that period. Its never a good sign when a game has 3 different developers before it even launches. First Sierra started it, then Vivendi took over, and finally turbine. And with each takeover, a new design began each time. 

You say to find some feeback, well the blank feedback posts say more than words. And who says I havent played the beta to form my own opinion as well ? I cant admit anything without violating NDA.

 Let me add this...last year there was a very anticpated game called Dark and Light. It had ferocious fanbois ike yourself that said the same comments...look at the screenshots, the feedback is amazing, etc. And the whole time us beta players were thinking oh wow are they gonna be in for a shock. And of course the word got out and now we all know the hype was waaaaaaay off. Dont be surpised when this game flops. Of course Turbine has time to pull it out but that would require a miracle

darc21

just read the feedback in the journals on the LOTRO website and tell me it doesnt sound gr8.

take alook at the screens as well and tell me the graphics arent gr8.

I no its a shock but turbine have pulled something out of the bag here. They seem to have done a very good job in this so far. 

darc21

And so what if i like TLOTR, shut up about this fanboi crap!

Have u played the game?

admriker4

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Originally posted by darc21

just read the feedback in the journals on the LOTRO website and tell me it doesnt sound gr8.
umm do you think its possible for a turbine sponsored website to be balanced and fair for its own game ? Of course the only posts allowed to remain are positive ones. It would be against turbine's wshes to allow critical posts of their product. Ive made a few critical ones over there and they were removed without a reason.
take alook at the screens as well and tell me the graphics arent gr8.
the graphics are pretty good, take a look at guildwars if you want a close comparison. graphics though arent nearly as important as gameplay and storylines
I no its a shock but turbine have pulled something out of the bag here. They seem to have done a very good job in this so far. 
based on what ? some screenshots ? some posts by fanbois ? do i need to remind you about dark and light ??? same situation, beautiful screenshots and the occasional fanboi post got the game a ton of attention but in the end people found out how bad the game really was.

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darc21

this could go on for a while and im not up for a slagging match at 1 in the morning, i grow weary.

And plz no more flaming.

Grumpybear

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Originally posted by admriker4
 Let me add this...last year there was a very anticpated game called Dark and Light. It had ferocious fanbois ike yourself that said the same comments...look at the screenshots, the feedback is amazing, etc. And the whole time us beta players were thinking oh wow are they gonna be in for a shock. And of course the word got out and now we all know the hype was waaaaaaay off. Dont be surpised when this game flops. Of course Turbine has time to pull it out but that would require a miracle

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As if you could ever compair LOTR to DnL.  There's no way in heck anything could be worse than DnL.  Puzzle Pirates is more fun than Dnl, FLYFF is more fun than DnL, Everything in this world is more fun than DnL. LotR also already has a built in fanbase, DnL has 0 players.  Nothing could flop harder than DnL, the ultimate bottom has been acheived - there's nowhere to go but up.

As if DDO really stands out in the minds of the LotR fanbase.  You going to try and tell me that dungeons and dragons appeals to a broader audience than the Lord of the Rings title?

PS - you are just hte same person who brought up all this junk before and got banned.  welcome back until you is banned again.

Bissrok

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Originally posted by admriker4
Will gamers be willing to even look over LOTR after DDO flopped ?

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Yep.

Xpheyel

Why bother trying to infer all of this ahead of time when you could wait and see how the game performs and plays when it comes out?

The inference is based on a lack of information, which you're automatically assuming is reliable. A lot of people have preemptive written LOTRO off because it isn't (as far as anyone can tell at this stage) going to be the skill based open hardcore PVP game they're looking for. Look at some of the recent posts, some people go in expecting DAOC or UO even though the whole development cycle has been contra to that.

darc21

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Originally posted by admriker4

Will gamers be willing to even look over LOTR after DDO flopped ?

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Yes, and do u no why... because it is LOTR! hello, already has a massize fanbase.

If Turbine keep it together... then they may just have pulled out a gold mine.

admriker4

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Originally posted by darc21



Originally posted by admriker4

Will gamers be willing to even look over LOTR after DDO flopped ?

Yes, and do u no why... because it is LOTR! hello, already has a massize fanbase.

If Turbine keep it together... then they may just have pulled out a gold mine.

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other MMO's with massive fan bases....

Star Wars Galaxies - perhaps the most popular IP of any MMO, today after 2 major revamps the game is a flop.

Matrix - definitely has a cult-like following since the movies, bu the mmo version is a joke. Heck, the only reason Sony even bought it was to get the rights to make a DC Comics MMO

D&D - Some say dungeons and dragons is the birthplace of fantasy video games. Certainly D&D has a huge built-in fan base yet the game also is a flop.

3 MAJOR games with massive fan bases, and all 3 games are on life support. Apparently even with tons of fans behind it, the game still has to be fun to be a success. The name alone doesnt guarantee a hit. And thats the problem with these developers, they assume they can just toss us a generic wow clone and because of the name, we'll be glad to pay for it. Well guess what, they're wrong. Star Wars fan left by the thousands when sony launched a bug-filled game...who would have guessed they actually expected and wanted a working game.

Turbine clearly expected success for D&D based on its name alone. And guess who's developing LOTR.

A massive fan base does NOT equal a successful game. Dont believe me, go try star wars galaxies free trial...you'll be lucky to see more than 5 people in any area.

 

darc21

ive already told u ive done with this arguement, ok, go wreck sumone elses forum.

Crueltylizer

Why are we discussing things like these?

The game isn´t out yet so why should we even try to give it a death sentence?

darc21

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Originally posted by Crueltylizer
Why are we discussing things like these?

The game isn´t out yet so why should we even try to give it a death sentence?

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exaclty my point, thankyou!

Stop slagging off what u have not seen!

Anofalye

The problem is not with the gamers, it is with Turbines.

 

Gamers are willing to forgive all pass mistakes, however the product has to deliver.

 

Considering that Turbines fails:

- at doing AC2,

- at doing the king of the RPGs with D&D

The chances they understand how to make LotR, a smaller fanbase than D&D on a RPG-consideration, the chance are indeed smalls.

 

Can LotR succeed?  Yes!  Will it succeed?  Doubtful, the aircraft carrier was sunk with all the planes (DDO), the cruser escort was sunk (AC2), the frigate is surviving (AC) while substaining massive fire.  Can the Battleship outdo an aircraft carrier?  Doubtful, but not impossible.

 

The MAIN franchise in the RPG world is D&D, before Blizzard, before LotR, before any other RPG.  With Turbine, it was sunk.  LotR is indeed a powerful franchise, but movies/books lovers won't start playing RPGs all of a sudden, so stop thinking it compare to D&D, it doesn't.  Not anymore than a battleship can compare to an aircraft carrier.  Some peoples did the mistake, and pay the hefty price.  LotR doesn't have even half the power of the D&D franchise, yet it is formidable.

 

I wish that LotR succeeds, but Boromir told me it wouldn't, since solo lack and they are going the raiding way.

darc21

yes well all no up 2 now turbine has so far sucked. (Apart for AC 1 but that wasnt massive either).

I have high hopes for this gae, and feedback has been good. Vids from the alpha look amazing (for Alpha).

Turbine, plz dont mess this up! or i'll

Anofalye

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Originally posted by Crueltylizer
Why are we discussing things like these?

The game isn´t out yet so why should we even try to give it a death sentence?

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Nobody can give a death sentence to anyone here.  Talking about a game prior it release is good, even if you disagree on the how it is done.

 

Pointing out that Turbines FAILS twice in a row is just been wary, nothing else.  I hope Turbines won't do the "never twice without triple".  I want them to succeed, I just don't believe these guys have a clue.

darc21

aparantly the solo is really good tho. It was made for solo and grouping initialy.

Turbine has sed that raids will be a part of it but will not be the games main appeal or way of progressing in the game or having (fun).

The game is supposed to be incredibly funa nd immersing from the feedback i have heard.

Anofalye

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Originally posted by darc21

aparantly the solo is really good tho. It was made for solo and grouping initialy.
Turbine has sed that raids will be a part of it but will not be the games main appeal or way of progressing in the game or having (fun).
The game is supposed to be incredibly funa nd immersing from the feedback i have heard.

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Turbines have already said that soloers will suck hard, ask Boromir.  (they choose another wording, where they say groupers will always be better than soloers, see, the positibe thinking...even me as a grouper I find this offensive, soloers are going to be subpar characters, weaklings...ask Boromir)

 

And raiding will screw all non-raiders, giving better rewards.  Raiding is going to destroy grouping, as usual.

Moirae

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Originally posted by darc21
just read the feedback in the journals on the LOTRO website and tell me it doesnt sound gr8. take alook at the screens as well and tell me the graphics arent gr8. I no its a shock but turbine have pulled something out of the bag here. They seem to have done a very good job in this so far. 

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You really need to think that through a bit. Of course the journals sound great. Why would a company ever post journals that talk about how bad the game is when they're trying to sell their product and it hasn't even been released yet.

Just a word of advice... don't trust the journals. Companies edit things to make themselves sound wonderful all the time.

Wait until after beta to talk to the beta players themselves and see the truth.

Odd thing is... I rather thought that was something obvious to do.

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Originally posted by darc21
aparantly the solo is really good tho. It was made for solo and grouping initialy. Turbine
has sed that raids will be a part of it but will not be the games main
appeal or way of progressing in the game or having (fun). The game is supposed to be incredibly funa nd immersing from the feedback i have heard.

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It's
beta. How do you know soloing is good? It can be good right now and
down the road suck because the game changes constantly in beta.



I think you're having a serious problem of self delusion here. Try looking at it realistically instead.

Jackdog

after Ford made the Edsel and it flopped what cahnce did the Mustang have of being a success. Why not wait and see at release, it may be a Edsel or it may be a Mustang. I guess we will find out bext year won't we.

gr8mc

ok i see a lot of people trying to link D&D failure with lotr online but here is my opinion:

D&D: from the very first game on the pc the name dungeons and dragons has been linked with many average and poor titles but yet because of the name people bought them played them right the way to the end only to realise the game was crap and then went out and bought the next one to be released to me it seems that the people who dish out the rights to use the name dungeon and dragons were more interested in quantity rather than quality so developer with enough cash could get there in development game a name that will send it from the bottom of the charts to the top and to hell with how good the game actually is.

LOTR: is a newcomer to the gaming market and has enjoyed a lot of success most of the games have been good and there have been a few average efforts which have had been critisised heavily by the die hard lotr fans but none of the games have made it to the shelves without being first inspected from someone from the tolkien brand, turbine have a difficult job because if they get this wrong this game will become the biggest failure in gaming history as so many of the die hard lotr's fans will look to distance themselves from it i personaly are waiting with held breath to see if they get this right because if they do this will be the biggest game there is for a long time.

but on a final note the developers may be the same but i don't think its fair to blame just the developer for a games success espeacialy when there is a brand name like D&D and lotr involved as they should be responsible for making sure that there name is not being used to sell an inferior product.

King_Buzzo

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Originally posted by admriker4

Will gamers be willing to even look over LOTR after DDO flopped ? Besides Middle Earth, nothing has influenced gaming more than Dungeons and Dragons so one would assume the MMO version would have to be great. Yet it will go down in MMO history as one of the most disappointing MMO's ever.
What chance then does LOTR have of breaking the mold and being a success ? Turbine isnt known for making decent MMO's. Their record is dismal in the field. Reviews from E3 dont exactly set our expectations high either. Phrases like "nothing new" and "boring" were tosses around. Turbine even admitted it didnt add anything innovative.
Translation, a clone of games we already have so whats the reason to buy this game then ? The gameplay itself better be fun or watch it fail.
Finally, one can infer how the game is doing in beta by the blank reviews. Take a look here at all the blank reviews...
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/setStart/21/gameId/45
 My guess is they violated the NDA and therefore mmorpg.com blanked them out. Why would someone risk losing their beta account unless they no longer cared to play and test it. The answer is quite simple, the game stinks.
My faith is shattered and it would take a miracle for turbine to do something to pull this out of the discount bin over the next few months. Back to reading the books I guess

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Hey, numnuts. Check out the hype for other games in beta. They also have blank reviews. (ex. Vanguard-SOH) Hmmm....I guess that means those games will suck as well. Nice logic.

Grumpybear

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Originally posted by King_Buzzo

Hey, numnuts. Check out the hype for other games in beta. They also have blank reviews. (ex. Vanguard-SOH) Hmmm....I guess that means those games will suck as well. Nice logic.

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It's not about logic w/ some people.  That's why this seems to come up at scheduled periods well after a certain user gets around the ban stick.  It will chime down as soon as the person slips up again.