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DJkarlkani
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I started playing SWG humm around christmas 2004 I loved it had a good jedi and all, and as you guys know to geta jedi it took me a long a long time to grind. I don't really plan on returning but all this talk about classic servers got me thinking. IS THIS TRUE? IS SOE MAKEING PRE-CU OR EVEN CU SERVERS? I dont know if this is a rumor or somthing in the works right now
ps. I am trying ryzom right now free trial, its not all that a little slow if you ask me. SWG come back to meeeeee!!! LOL
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They could make classic servers at any time, that crap about not having copies is false (all companies with certain level make backups just in case, it's cheap and easy, and can help in development) and about the maintenance, I doubt they ever had much maintenance anyway. Just a few technicians to restart it for when they unplug the server to plug the microwave.
Will they start those servers? Not sure... If it was a marketing decision they would have done it, because it'd have meant a lot more cash than what they get right now.
I think they are too proud (and stupid, imbecile, etc etc...) to admit they commited a mistake.
Better thought, they have already admitted they were wrong (to certain point)... But I'm sure the people who made the original (and hard to code) swg isn't anymore with them. So the best they can do is start the servers and pray they will be able to learn how they work soon enough.
Sadly there doesn't seem to be anything like our swg at this moment...
Otherwise the thing is going into the ground and fast.
I agree. if the holiday season comes and goes without so much as a peep from SOE about "new and exciting developments" the whole game is done.
Yep. Here is the best illustration that I can come up with to describe the current state of SWG:
Take a plane that at a height of 300,000 feet (just for simplification) started to lose altitude. The pilots tried two manuvers to stop the fall and get back up to the desired height, but with disasterous results. The first manuver caused one engine to go out. The second caused the controls to be locked onto a path directly into the ground and the engines on full power.
The crew, rather than trying to calm and reassure the passngers are instead picking fights with them and setting fires in the cabin.
THAT is SWG's current state.
Its a rumor for sure but that doesnt mean its false..........
If Soe does decide to put in classic servers it is only because they know that soon people will be playing pre cu versions of the game on private shards likely in larger numbers than the amount of subscribers they have in the current version of the official servers and for free.
If they make classic servers it will be to get a piece of that action.
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Will Star Wars Galaxies Complete be really complete with the return of classic preCU servers and Can I transfer my recently thawed Carbonite fozren Character to that server to enjoy the only SWG I have come to know?
I would be up to my old tricks again (cornering the Spice Market) if that occur.
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I am to a point i dont want classic server by (S)hit (O)nline (E)ntertainment. They should hand licence over to someone who deserve to Host classic Server
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Those are both VERY valid points. And yes, private servers are becoming closer to reality every day, combat is starting to look like combat used to, for example
Furthermore, the sub base is in freefall, and they have 20+ of the 25 servers that are basically empty and lifeless. Reversing that is simply never going to happen with the NGE codebase. I think even hardcases like Helios and Cao realize this by now but will never admit it openly. That is why they are getting angrier and angrier on the forums, they think it's OUR fault that their brilliant ideas have failed. Not once has SOE ever accepted responsibility for their actions.
So, this is their quandry: If they want to keep SWG going, NGE has to go. They don't have the time or the resources to convert NGE into something else, or to write a new core. Their sole option is classic servers. Which would end up as a rollback, as that is where the remaining population would go and the new/returned population would go.
If they don't do it, it's because Smed and his redname minions have adopted the same attitude towards us that we have towards them, that rather than give us what we want, they'd rather see it die.
Furthermore, the sub base is in freefall, and they have 20+ of the 25 servers that are basically empty and lifeless. Reversing that is simply never going to happen with the NGE codebase. I think even hardcases like Helios and Cao realize this by now but will never admit it openly. That is why they are getting angrier and angrier on the forums, they think it's OUR fault that their brilliant ideas have failed. Not once has SOE ever accepted responsibility for their actions.
So, this is their quandry: If they want to keep SWG going, NGE has to go. They don't have the time or the resources to convert NGE into something else, or to write a new core. Their sole option is classic servers. Which would end up as a rollback, as that is where the remaining population would go and the new/returned population would go.
If they don't do it, it's because Smed and his redname minions have adopted the same attitude towards us that we have towards them, that rather than give us what we want, they'd rather see it die.
Either way, I wish they'd just make up their f*cking minds and do something! This is like watching a loved one die a slow, painful death. At some point, you'd just rather it was all over.
I've always likened SWG to an unfaithful partner.
(PRE-CU)In the beginning we were so in love, sure we argued now and again but who didn't?
(CU)One day she said that she wasn't happy with the way things were between us and that Kevin and Sheila's relationship was much healthier (WoW), she wanted more and wanted to see other people too and that I had to stop taking her for granted. Well I thought about things and figured I loved her so let her do what she wants, sooner or later we'd turn a corner and things would be better again.
(NGE) You can see where this is going I can tell.....she said she'd met someone, well to be more precise she'd met some people, she couldn't actually remember their names but it was "incredible", "unbelievable" etc etc. I phoned her mother (SOE) to see if she could talk some sense into her, but she said that her daughter's happiness was the most important thing and that all of the rugby team really did love her far more than I ever did. I demanded the engagement ring back (Copy of ToOW) which she offered me but after I thought about it, where else am I going to find another woman like her? Things improved for a while, occasionally I could sense aspects of our relationship that we hadn't had since we started dating (auto-attack) but the stark and cold loneliness will still not completely go away (Bestine/Theed/Playercities).
I'd been with her for 3 years and we had been through so much together, my life would seem empty without her. So now I tolerate the lives and the affairs like a good politician's wife, always ready to defend the honour of my good-for-nothing, cheap, trashy lying %&£"!$$...£$%""!!!"
Imagine if they could swing the classsic servers (Which I don't think they are smart enough to do really)...
Think of what it would do to the population of the NGE..lol
Crap , Obriak and Pirrg would have it all to themselves.
Almost like Now I guess....lol
But yeah it would be great, but Iv'e come to terms the NGE put the nail in this one. There is no way any invester would even back this concept or CEO for that matter.
How do you go to someone and say "Ok, I have a IDEA NOW that will work".... after each time they have failed and the last one being called a utter mistake.
Sorry, as common sense and almost any person here knows this would not be a good investment with the current dev team.
Helios and pre-NGE do not jive... he is to much into the "easy button" game.
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SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
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Yep. Here is the best illustration that I can come up with to describe the current state of SWG:
Take a plane that at a height of 300,000 feet (just for simplification) started to lose altitude. The pilots tried two manuvers to stop the fall and get back up to the desired height, but with disasterous results. The first manuver caused one engine to go out. The second caused the controls to be locked onto a path directly into the ground and the engines on full power.
The crew, rather than trying to calm and reassure the passngers are instead picking fights with them and setting fires in the cabin.
THAT is SWG's current state.
Yeah, and the scariest thing that I actually find amusing, is that passengers all have paracutes, but some choose to stay in the plane.
I agree Isk.
Assuming there's no outside help, then the only choices are to let the NGE wither and die, or to bring one of the pre-nge rulesets online, forstalling the end a bit longer. Given the choice, I think SOE & LEC would chose the former. I don't think they consider the latter worth their effort.
At this point there will never be a completed SWG. Even if Pre-Cu were brought back, who'll actually stand up in the board room and propose sinking capitial into trying to rebuild it into the mother of all virtual worlds as originally envisioned? No one.
Ah well. It was nice while it lasted, and I still have fond memories.
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I completely agree with you personally Wildcat. And maybe there are even people involved with this project that now realize this, and agree with you and me. But saying that out loud in the boardroom is altogether another issue. Even SOE and LEC have to realize they have damaged goods now. The days of dreaming big dreams for SWG are over.
Perhaps someone in LEC still thinks there's room for a Star Wars MMO out there; and perhaps they might even think that it should be a deep virtual world. But as far as this current product is concerned, the show is over. The NGE will sink, and this management team will let it.
I'd love to be wrong about that assesment, but I don't think I am.
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They'd rather see it die than spend any serious money on it ... and that's been the decision since the day they decided to implement NGE, which was all in the name of doing everything CHEAPER. If NGE saved the game and made money, great ... if it just made the bleeding worse, so be it, as long as they could spend less money between implementing NGE and shutdown of the game than they would otherwise have to spend.
They don't believe Classic servers will ever make back the money it would cost to open and maintain them ... and it's hard to argue with that belief, they very well might not. So they're going to limp along with NGE servers and extract every last dime from every die-hard SWG player that they can before they pull the plug.
Yep as I want it back as much as all of you.. the reality of it is this.
No way in Hell would I want to be the one to say "I HAVE A IDEA" at this point... LEC and SOE I know are now barely communicating... (When was the last time you saw Julio post???) When was the last time you saw some sort of great promotion of SWG?? Not at E3, nope... in fact if the new boxes were not made over 3 months ago almost you would not see the new boxed Point of sale for it. (Understand the CD is simple, Launchpad can do the rest). No matter what there is no common sense into any of this now.
It is a mess, mistake and as Mr. Smedley says "He wishes he never did this"... Look, at that point when the president of half of the venture says that YOU HAVE TO USE COMMON SENSE and know that this will now just die a slow death.
I cannot even see Smed getting behind a classic server concept, I just can't.
First off WHO can handle them??? NOT the current Dev team thats for sure, in fact it would take some old guys coming back, smarter guys just to maintain them.
We all know how most of the Dev team is now gone and replaced with the Mickey Mouse club version.
The Dev team now, is in it's own little world... or whats left of it.
I just don't see Raph, Freeman -- ANYONE making this work. It's all so tainted and fucked up that I don't think if it was even paid in advance from customers could they do this.
Look, if the current Dev team cannot even stop you from aggroing a fucking ship terminal how in the Hell would you expect them to even know how to handle 31 profs, alot more people and a crap load of code?
Just not gonna happen.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
The caustic ones (Helios, Cao, TH) are unlikely to ever work again in MMO's or at least not in their current capacity, blame us for it, and are lashing out. Who in their right mind would hire any of those three?
(although Shayde's idea of hiring Helios, asking him what to do and then doing the EXACT opposite might have some potential)
I pretty much agree that I doubt we'd see classic servers.
*I* have used the DAoC example about how Mythic claimed no one would really play classic servers.
You can support the theory that it could work.. I mean at 8:38 AM (pacific time) on a monday morning. There is a total North American population in DAoC of: 4,547 Players.
Of that 4,547 ... 1,388 are on Classic servers (they are clustered now).
There are a total of:
5 North American Clusters (one being classics).
As well as:
1 Co-Op server
1 PvP server
So they run at least 4 different rule sets... anyway basicly out of 7 options... around 1/3 of players chose classic.
Statisticly this shows classic servers work...
The problem is.. SWG probably has around the same population as DAoC (which is pretty freakin low imho). For a company the size of SOE.. I just don't think those numbers would give much return for the investment.
Actually I think SOE may shift to being more of a co-publish company that has a few games of their own to push people toward station access. That's my theory but I have rambled on enough... so I won't go much more into my Co-Publisher theory.
To close... I doubt we see classic servers (but I would be happy to see them if they did go up).
i would say make a classic server from one of the nonused test centers, if it fills up and has tons of people make another and another. Until you don't have to, it's not rocket science. not much risk in it at all, hell they could also make it only avavible though station pass or something, classic servers aren't the problem. The nge servers are the problem bleeding profit and resourses and costing them money. Hell there is just not enough people on them to justify a whole server, and no real way to merge them.
Rock meet hard place. it's pretty funny they have all these servers with most being way way under capacity and no way to merge them. They don't want to purge account. They don't want to destory players homes. They want those players to come back. They can't rollback to a year and a half, that would be fair to lose a year and a half of work(and we know how it feels to lose at your work it's not fun so i would never ask for a rollback) They can't remount pre-cu on top of the nge, Without completing fucking up the game even more then now, yes it would be worst, bugs so deep you could never find them. They can't afford another revamp.
They have painted themselves into a corner and have no way of getting out. I actually feel sorry for them, (well i'm laughing at them) it's a no win for them. and each month it only get worst cause the server numbers bleed more, and if all the players that are waiting for this "magic hope" that it will get better would just leave, maybe it could finally die and join the force already.
sorry for grammer or spelling, i was in a rush
"i would say make a classic server from one of the nonused test centers, if it fills up and has tons of people make another and another. Until you don't have to, it's not rocket science. not much risk in it at all, hell they could also make it only avavible though station pass or something, classic servers aren't the problem. The nge servers are the problem bleeding profit and resourses and costing them money. Hell there is just not enough people on them to justify a whole server, and no real way to merge them."
Ya its just that I think Mythic with DAoC is a great comparison.
They did exactly that.. opened Gareth.. it filled they opened Lamorak (they had like a 3000 player limit due to server limitations). So they still had a login thing where you had to wait just not as long as .. WoW.
So they opened Ector. Even tho they list them as "clustered" its still seperate servers with a common rvr area. So it really doesn't save them money.. its just allows low population servers to get more numbers in rvr.
Anyway there is 1500'ish people on the classic cluster now. Before the cluster with Gareth.. around 1000 to 1200 of that would have been gareth. The other 300 to 500 Ector/Lamorak combined.
Well actually to end the ramble.. at the time they needed more servers but that demand didn't last long.
They apparently have the same problem clustering for real (aka dropping total server numbers) .. most likely due to the housing zones.
Every arguement or example can be made directly by looking at DAoC actually. Mythic pissed off its customers with changes.. they just did them over a longer period of time..
I also know what SWG population is like regardless of what some people post here.
I was bored last night so I logged onto Starsider.
5 other people on Naboo... which was a high number... compared to most planets.
However, when I got to Tat... there was 32 other players!!
Just before the NGE... there was more than 32 players just about anywhere. Before CU there was more than 32 players in about any cantina you went into.
Even if they were freakin AFK they still paid a monthly...
I can't believe there's still people with hope. The smiling optimism of you people almost makes me wish that the cold hard facts of reality hadn't made me dead inside.
I realize I said I quit. I never said it was forever
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!