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whats lotr have that vanguard dont, honestly asking!!
adderVXI
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Hello all, I wish to ask a simple question as im going to make a decision on what game to play for the next few years real soon. Theres vanguard, which ive been following for years, and this one. I like some of what i see in Lord of the Rings Online but im not sure if theres anything that really makes me want to play it. Is there something that lotr will do that vanguard wont? I hear that lotr has farming, and i dont know why but that seems really cool to me. I mean like growing crops that is 
not "farming" like we know it. I know this seems like a attempt at a flame fest but im honestly asking. Thanks for any info!
P.S. I know that SOE is involved, i dont care 
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.
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Archon @ Warhammer Alliance
I can't say this for certain because i haven't tried it yet, but i have tried every other turbine game released. what you (prolly) will experience in Lotro is very well thought through quests with a strong story with fun objectives. no kill X10 quests, or fedex delivery quest.
Try AC1 or DDO, the quests are amazing...
ok cool, thanks for the info, what ya think the age group would be? im looking for a older crowd---33 here
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.
George Washington
The only way to make an informed decision will be to either beta them or wait till they are released and try each.
I think the hype level is too low on this game given the number of people who gave it a low score without adequate info.
To dream, perhaps to be.
Short answer:
Boromir.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
I believe that there will be lots of oldies in LOTRO, I post frequently on LOTRO european forums and there's even loads of over 50 years old people.
If you are from Europe you might want to look at the current guild list: Kinship list
There's probably list like that on US forums too.
EDIT: here it is.
Yeah thats true , after all it stopped World of Warcraft becoming full of kiddies and prepubescent idiots. Uhu.
/sarcasm off
LotRO has better graphics.
Vanguard is seamless (no zones), which is the major reason I like it.
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This is an excellent question, one that i myself was wrestling with a month ago-which game would I play? LOTRO or Vanguard Saga of Heroes? And here is the answer: LOTRO doesnt have much that Vanguard doesnt-its really the other way around. Vanguard has tons that LOTRO doesn't...allow me to elaborate
LOTRO Vanguard Saga of Heroes
well followed story and lore, die hard fans new make believe world, die hard EQ fans
4 races 19 races
7 classes 15 classes
1 continent 3 continents
big world enormous world-biggest ever
short-medium game lifespan 7 years of planned content
die-durability penalty die, have to retrieve your corpse
button mashing combat combat system that will require thinking
fast travel intervals of fast travel, but mostly on your own
no mounts at launch mounts at lvl 10, better mounts as u progress
again no mounts at launch flying mounts you can direct and fly anywhere
again, just walking and fast travel can craft and own boats (can name them too)
no player housing player housing at launch (can sell wares in home)
instanced seamless world, can go anywhere u can see
different PvP-monster play straightforward PvP, but offer PvE servers too
easier gameplay challenging gameplay, harder for a noob
crafting system as well as adventuring spheres of adventuring, crafting, & diplomacy
average character creation many features to make your character unique
Gosh, and this is just off the top of my head. Lets just say from what I've "seen" of LOTRO over the last month I will not be playing LOTRO at launch. Even looking at ebay last week, LOTRO beta keys were goin for like $40 and Vanguard beta keys for like $200 a shot and they had been bid on multiple times...im not even kidding. Tells you something right there. Vanguard is the game that I am going to invest my time and money in. Preordered it from GameSpot the other day.
tomfred81, I can easily turn that around from your biased opinion of making Vanguard looking superior. Fact is, just about all of us have biased opinions on the two of these games becaue we've already chosen which one we're going to play. Therefore, I'll give my comparison.
Lord of the Rings Online has real lore and a well-defined story. Lord of the Rings was built to last, and already over 50 years since its creation, it's still going strong. This isn't your "average joe' kind of lore for an MMO. This is the best story you could possibly have with multiple layers of well thought out lore loved by fans across the globe. Vanguard story and lore was just made up to fit their needs. It follows no absolute path, so just like the lore in WoW, it will no doubt be warped multiple times throughout the game's lifespan which doesn't bode well for many fans.
Classes
Just because LotRO only has seven classes and Vanguard has 15 doesn't make Vanguard better. In fact, it just means more problems. Think about how difficult it will be to balance all those classes so no class overshadows another, and even then it sounds A LOT like EQ...and that is an extremely BAD thing. LotRO, on the other hand, has 7 well thought out CORE classes. This being every class has a direct purpose, and in groups, you will have a need for all of them. Each class in LOTRO will have much more time spent in each one making for much better story and lore for each class. So, do you want 15 hastily made look-alike classes comparable to EQ, or 7 well thought out, core classes resembling the true feel of Middle-Earth?
Continents
Vanguard can make all these promises about a bigger world, but that doesn't mean anything. One continent on Middle-Earth will be absolutely enormous. It is said that it will take 45 minutes just to get across the shire. Now that's a big world! Vanguard beta has been extremely negative, and they're having all kinds of problems, LoTRO seems to be having a very clean beta. This means to me that Turbine was prepared a lot more than its opponents.
Game Life-Span
This really has no place on a comparison chart. You cannot determine how long a game will last. If the game is a flop do you seriously think Vanguard will still go along with its supposedly 7 year plan? Of course not! They would be losing money! That's ridiculous to think that you're gauranteed 7 years. LotRO has no set plan because Turbine is practical. What we DO know is that there will be many expansions invovling the realeasing of the entire world of Middle-Earth little by little. This way they can put great detail into every inch of your game screen when you tread the plains of Rohan, venture through the thick forest of Mirkwood, and march through the great gate of Minas Tirith. It will certainly take a very long time to do this, and Turbine is determined to release all of this awesome content to us in due time allowing them to give us the highest quality product that they can create.
Travel
You cannot compare travel. Just because you get a mount earlier on doesn't mean anything. The reason mounts won't be coming at the release of LotRO is because Turbine is going to be devote a LOT of time into it to make the horses very well thought out. When you get mounts in LotRO you will be amazed at the work that Turbine put into it, and you'll be glad you waited too. There will be quick travel in LotRO as well, but you have to visit each place first, so you can't just skip all of the world that Turbine created (and why would you want to?)
Character Creation
I won't go in-depth here, but character creation for LotRO is not your average creation. It's extremely well thought out. It even includes sub-races! Check out beta videos for more info on this, and you'll be stunned.
Crafting
The Devs of LotRO have stated that crafting will be vital to the world of Middle-Earth. I'm not sure if this still stands, but they also said a while back that the best items won't be aquired from raids, but from crafting. Now I don't know about you, but that sounds promising!
PvP
Turbine put much more thought into PvP that Sigil Games did to Vanguard. Turbine created a unique never-before-seen PvP gameplay to fit the Lord of the Rings lore and storyline. It's definitely not something you'll want to pass by. Vanguard will just have your average PvP mode which once you've done it once, you've done it a million times. I'll be happy to see something new in the PvP department to spice things up, while not creating a 1337 13-yr old environment that WoW's PvP system attracted.
Gameplay
You can't say one is harder than the other until you try it. Of course, LotRO reports have said that it's very basic early on so people can get a feel for the skills, but after that is escalates into more advanced gaming. I can't say anything for Vanguard since I haven't looked into this department much, but I"ll take timfred81's word for it that it's "challenging gameplay harder for a noob". Even if that's true, it doesn't sound very inviting for people just now getting started in MMO's, or the older crowd which won't be as familiar with MMO controls.
And just because Vanguard keys go for more doesn't mean a thing. I would never buy a beta key for LotRO because Turbine has already said that everyone is going to get in that has signed up. So why bother? Plus, there's the matter of inflation. The cost of the beta keys probably has to do with how many people have been invited. It's all about supply and demand. So due to this easy equation, you can deduce that more beta keys have been released for LotRO. Perhaps because Turbine's servers are much more stable than Sygil's?
Well, only time will tell which one is better I suppose.
the last two posts were very excellent and i enjoyed reading them though the latter seemed to have a little more sense (just a little). True the Vanguard looks amazing and i wouldnt want to pass it up but i think the game people will choose will be based on their opinion of which one is more appealing to them. I am thinking most people who are fans of Lord of the Rings no matter whether they read or watched the movies are going to try the MMORPG for LoTR because they love the way JRR tolkien and The movies are. But the non fans are most likely going to go for Vanguard cause it probly wont have all the lore and storyline that LoTR has. Its just a matter of opinion.
Im going to play LoTR because i have read all the books watched the movies and just love everything about them. Its just an opinion.
Their both going to be great games
Let me also say this; I myself am a huge LOTR fan. I've read all of the books multiple times (read them for the first time in 7th grade) and own all of the special edition LOTR movies. I enjoy them very much...If you notice in my first post, I said "from what i've "seen" over the last month about LOTRO" Lets just say I know what I'm talking about when it comes to LOTRO. You said you have heard that the LOTRO beta has been very crisp and clean...well thats fine if you have heard that...but does that mean the game is fun compared to other games out there? One has to wonder. It's not so much that i'm a vanguard fanboy but rather I have been severely dissapointed thus far with LOTRO. It is because of these things that I will be purchasing Vanguard Saga of Heroes instead of LOTRO. Everyone, of course, can make their own decision.
I would much rather play LOTRO than Everquest: Saga of Heroes. After watching the videos and the info we have LOTRO sounds and looks like it will be fun to play and Vanguard sounds and looks will be a chore to play just like EQ was. From what I have seen there is no distinct difference between Vanguard and EQ except for a few cosmetic differences such as housing and flying mounts which dont really have any impact on gameplay.
Vanguard is not made by SOE, and does not follow the EQ storyline, hense can not be concidered a sequel. That being said, if Vanguard turns out to be a failure (doubtful) and LOTRO turns out to be successful, then I might just give it a shot. It isn't one that I will be rushing to the stores to try. I wasn't that impressed with Turbines changes that they made to DDO, so I would wait a few months and patches before trying LOTRO.
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Yup im with you EQ was a huge chore at times it wasnt even fun well most the time but i was an addict so didnt quite for a long time. How ever i do believe that the main differances will be casual and hard core so to speak. I in my older years dont have 6 hrs to gain 1 lvl anymore so the simplicity of LOTRO attracks me im not down with learning a new game OH wait Starting over in EQ3 i currently play EQ2 great game but i has become a chore and ive cease to play for a few weeks now love the game but im just at that point were its no fun as of now till expansion comes out i think. Love the game just dont have the time anymore... sorry was ranting i think. Oh and i hated corpse runs God those Made me so mad back in the day LOL So have fun tracking your body down and binding your souls to be close to your body god for bid that you get 1hr or so out from your bind spot and die that would suck in you HUGE WORLD
LOTRO=casual family guy/gal
EQ3 i mean Vangaurd-Hard core player
Just my personal opinion though
whats lotr have that vanguard dont, honestly asking!!
Only the greatest story and world ever written about, The
basis of all modern medieval fantasy.
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Vanguard is not made by SOE, and does not follow the EQ storyline, hense can not be concidered a sequel. That being said, if Vanguard turns out to be a failure (doubtful) and LOTRO turns out to be successful, then I might just give it a shot. It isn't one that I will be rushing to the stores to try. I wasn't that impressed with Turbines changes that they made to DDO, so I would wait a few months and patches before trying LOTRO.
It is however on the Station pass for SOE products interesting.. it is being made by the producer of EQ so yes it can be considered a sequal thanks facts are facts my friend. And im the same way about vangaurd you are with LOTRO so we are even there i dont trust it. but good luck to you
sorry EQ guys name is Brad McQuaid forgot to add that
Vanguard is not made by SOE, and does not follow the EQ storyline, hense can not be concidered a sequel. That being said, if Vanguard turns out to be a failure (doubtful) and LOTRO turns out to be successful, then I might just give it a shot. It isn't one that I will be rushing to the stores to try. I wasn't that impressed with Turbines changes that they made to DDO, so I would wait a few months and patches before trying LOTRO.
It is however on the Station pass for SOE products interesting.. it is being made by the producer of EQ so yes it can be considered a sequal thanks facts are facts my friend. And im the same way about vangaurd you are with LOTRO so we are even there i dont trust it. but good luck to you
sorry EQ guys name is Brad McQuaid forgot to add that
It is on the station pass because SOE is distributing and hosting the game, not developing the game. You saying that it is a sequel just because the producer of EQ developed this game is like saying that all of Steven Spielburg's movies are exactly alike because he produced them, which is, no offence, idiotic. I'm not saying that you have to like this game, or play it for that matter, but get your facts together before you tell me that "facts are facts".
You have to do the research before you do the work. SNAP!
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