The previous version he's talking about was Phantasy Star Online. PSO was a lot like the original Diablo, in many ways. In both games, you had a single town which was a staging area, and you would journey down into a dungeon. In both, there were ten levels to the dungeon, divided into four sections. The list goes on.
If you played the original Diablo, you have a basic idea of how that game played, even if the combat was very different here. PSO was originally free, actually, and many people played it when it was, but they eventually made it pay-to-play. As far as quality, PSO was a really good game for those who liked Diablo-style dungeon crawlers. The only reason this game even got press was because of its predecessor.
Of course, PSO was filled with cheating, like the original Diablo, so it wasn't worth paying for at all in my opinion. I tried the free thirty days online, but I canceled before they got up. PSU is also filled with cheating, unfortunately, which is pretty sad for a MMORPG with a paid subscription.
Originally posted by Mrbloodworth Originally posted by neuronomad yawn, are we still bringing this up? It is about as old as the people saying GW isn't an MMO.
GW is also not an MMO, thats a quote from the developers themselves. This game and GW should be removed from this site. They fulfill the requirements for being listed on the site so what are your arguments?
Well, it's essentially free to get the game itself. They put no copy protection on the disc, and there are no serial numbers, so I can only assume they don't care if people grab it from a torrent or create multiple accounts from one bought copy.
There's no fee for offline play, but it's something like $9 per month for a subscription, cheaper if you buy larger blocks of time at once. That's not really very much. As far as I'm concerned, this game is almost free compared to most MMORPG's.
I think this game is like 50/50 when it comes to being an MMO IMHO. Has some mmo properties and has some that are not. But the lobbies are like their definition of servers i think.
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Dude, even Factions--easily the smallest GW volume yet--has about a thousand times the sheer area, never mind content and quests and whatnot that PSU does. This isn't an issue of opinion or perception--it's objective fact.
Originally posted by Mrbloodworth Originally posted by neuronomad yawn, are we still bringing this up? It is about as old as the people saying GW isn't an MMO.
GW is also not an MMO, thats a quote from the developers themselves.
This game and GW should be removed from this site.
yawn, are we still bringing this up? It is about as old as the people saying GW isn't an MMO.
GW is also not an MMO, that’s a quote from the developers themselves.
This game and GW should be removed from this site.
i second that
why are ppl so stupid? are some ppl so noob to online games that they dont know the meaning of mmo? it means massivley multi online and guild wars is all of that. the creators never said it was a rpg just cuz some stupid ppl thought it has to rpg like wow and other wow wannabes its not guild was fault. i think ppl should think before they type someting stupid
yawn, are we still bringing this up? It is about as old as the people saying GW isn't an MMO.
GW is also not an MMO, that’s a quote from the developers themselves.
This game and GW should be removed from this site.
i second that
why are ppl so stupid? are some ppl so noob to online games that they dont know the meaning of mmo? it means massivley multi online and guild wars is all of that. the creators never said it was a rpg just cuz some stupid ppl thought it has to rpg like wow and other wow wannabes its not guild was fault. i think ppl should think before they type someting stupid
Maybe you should follow your own advice, because GW is not an MMORPG. there is nothing Massively about it, you can not play with a massive amount of people at the same time.l
Sorry, for going off topic, but i have reply to the silly reply about Guild Wars.
You guys have obviously not played Guild Wars, if you have then you would realize that you are able to play with a massive amount of people at the same time.
You may not be able to go on missions with them at the same time, however you are able to interact with them at the different areas.
So i think Guild Wars can be called a MMO just because for the simple reason i mentioned above.
yawn, are we still bringing this up? It is about as old as the people saying GW isn't an MMO.
GW is also not an MMO, that’s a quote from the developers themselves.
This game and GW should be removed from this site.
Yet another scrub thats trying to tell mmorpg how to run their site. PSU, GW, and many other persistant games are here to stay so please just hush troll
yawn, are we still bringing this up? It is about as old as the people saying GW isn't an MMO.
GW is also not an MMO, that’s a quote from the developers themselves.
This game and GW should be removed from this site.
I suspect they wont be removed from this site simply because they fail to meet your esthetic standards. I wouldn't really have mcuh reason to hang at MMORPG.COM if Guild Wars was banned from topical play here because it's not "MMO" worthy, which in my opinion is nonsense.
Maybe the site would be better served by redefining the goal and orientation of this site. If including mMOs (minorly multiplayer) benefits the susbcribers like myself here, then why not simply do that? No need to be elitist here.
Massive = Massive number of players = Lots of players. How many are lots? I'd say 5,000 or more, roughly speaking. Does guild wars and PSO have more than 5,000 total customers? Yes, I'm sure they do. Therefore they qualify as "massive" in my book.
Multiplayer = You have one player, two player and then "multiplayer" for any number beyond three playing at once.
Online = This one's obvious.
RPG = Obvious.
So yes, games like Guild Wars and PSO are MMORPGs. Tell me where it says that you have to have more than 32, 64 or any other number you arbitrarily choose to pull out of your rump on a single shard/server or whatnot in order to qualify it as a MMORPG?
Even if a game only allows 5 people per server, if it has 10,000 people split out on 2,000 servers it's every bit as "massive" as a game that has 3,000 people on one server. Isn't it?
Massive = Massive number of players = Lots of players. How many are lots? I'd say 5,000 or more, roughly speaking. Does guild wars and PSO have more than 5,000 total customers? Yes, I'm sure they do. Therefore they qualify as "massive" in my book.
Multiplayer = You have one player, two player and then "multiplayer" for any number beyond three playing at once.
Online = This one's obvious.
RPG = Obvious.
So yes, games like Guild Wars and PSO are MMORPGs. Tell me where it says that you have to have more than 32, 64 or any other number you arbitrarily choose to pull out of your rump on a single shard/server or whatnot in order to qualify it as a MMORPG?
Even if a game only allows 5 people per server, if it has 10,000 people split out on 2,000 servers it's every bit as "massive" as a game that has 3,000 people on one server. Isn't it?
Awesome, So Diablo 2 is an mmorpg as well then? Because Hey, it got a massive number of players.
An MMORPG is a game where you can play with a massive amount of people at the same time, in the same persistent gameworld. when your running an instance in GW or PSO/PSU, you are NOT playing with a massive amount of people, your playing with 8 at best in a diffrent gameworld seperated from the other players. Not to mention the vast majority of PSU/GW's content is NOT persistent. a part of the gameworld closes as soon as you leave or exist an instance, therfore, PSU/GW are not MMO's. To the one who said "Well look at the towns!"
Its simply rediculous to consider GW/PSU an MMORPG just because you can meet up in town. GW/PSU are online roleplaying games with SOME MMO aspects. but that does not make them a full mmmorpg.
I dont really think its a MMO either and dont really like this game much because of the fighting style and the classes i think we should have more selection but thats based on the story line and thats to deep to change now,
Look, DDO, PSO, and Guild Wars are mostly instanced. OK, whatever, who cares. They also include hub areas where you can interact with lot's of players at once, which I assume is why they are covered by this site while purely instanced games such as such as DIablo II, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Champions of Norrath, Titan Quest, ect. [all of which, if I am not mistaken include no hub cities where dozens or hundreds of graphical avatars can interact socially and allow only 5 or ten players to join a given game] are not covered. But to you, hub cities aren't good enough. Ok, fine. We get it.
The fact of the matter is that, whether you have a stick up your butt about whether a largely instanced game can be considered "massively" multiplayer or not, these are games which many people that come to this MMORPG.com are interested in reading about and discussing. As much as it may make you want to cry yourself to sleep at night, these games will stay on the website as long as their boards are fairly active. This is one of the least active boards, so I suspect it may get pulled soon. However, it won't be because it's not "MMO" enough. EQOA got pulled due to lack of activity over a year ago, and it was a MMORPG by any standard definition. If you really want to see this board get pulled, stop bumping this thread with your inane gibbering.
I personally don't consider WW II online much of a RPG. Nor, Planetside for that matter. Oh, wait that's because they're not RPGs at all. Due largely to the fact that they aren't RPGs, they don't hold much interest for me. But you don't see me spamming their boards with whiny threads about it....despite the fact that that this website has RPG in big letters right in the URL.
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
This might not be an mmo but It's better. I like this game more than Guild Wars yes.
Guild Wars you dont pay per month but I dont like the style. PSU has anime style and you can fully customize your character, even your voice and the pitch of it. In Guild Wars there is no monthly fee but if you enter an area alone, you will stay alone... In PSU if you enter a mission, people can still join in at a later time. Because you always see people around you it gives you an mmo feeling. There are alot of mmorpgs out there but in this game you feel like you are really playing together with other people.. even if its just for 2 minutes... Its not like the next person you will see will be a kill stealer or player killer to you. Also.. Guild Wars is not an mmorpg.. The developers said it theirselves..
How about the mmorpgs that aren't here and were listed? (Neocron is one.)
At some point they went through and removed a bunch of "almost dead" games without many players. I also think they go by forum traffic. So, by posting here, you prolong any decision they might make about removing it.
Or how about the games that are mmorpgs, but are not listed? Like Project Entropia (Is it still around? *checking*). While I think that you'd have to have a screw loose to feed money into an mmorpg like quarters into a video game, they do have 500k subscribers by their webiste. (If you want to look at a really weird idea, go look at the entropa universe website. I wouldn't play it though.)
It has full mmorpg content.
AO, at least, is completely free to play until next year I believe, so pay isn't a criteria.
Second life is listed, but is really more like an on-line community than an rpg, as there is no "game" involved. There were a couple more on here at one time too. The Sims Online was at one time listed here. Diablo a while ago as well, if I remember.
The Original Poster is correct, in that PSU is not a MASSIVELY Multiplayer Online RPG. not by the literal abbreviation anyway.
PSU and Guild Wars are not Massively Multi-player ONline RPGs. What they ARE, though, are Persistant World RPGs.
and they share this in common with every MMORPG ever created.
which is why they deserve to be on this site. because while they are not MMORPGs by Literal Abbreviation Definition, they DO fit in under the MMORPG Genre. perhaps under their own category, but even so...
The Primary Staple Characteristic of the MMORPG Genre is a Persistant World that constantly changes and does not stop when you turn the game off. NOT the amount of players gathered in one spot at one time.
Massive = Massive number of players = Lots of players. How many are lots? I'd say 5,000 or more, roughly speaking. Does guild wars and PSO have more than 5,000 total customers? Yes, I'm sure they do. Therefore they qualify as "massive" in my book.
Multiplayer = You have one player, two player and then "multiplayer" for any number beyond three playing at once.
Online = This one's obvious.
RPG = Obvious.
So yes, games like Guild Wars and PSO are MMORPGs. Tell me where it says that you have to have more than 32, 64 or any other number you arbitrarily choose to pull out of your rump on a single shard/server or whatnot in order to qualify it as a MMORPG?
Even if a game only allows 5 people per server, if it has 10,000 people split out on 2,000 servers it's every bit as "massive" as a game that has 3,000 people on one server. Isn't it?
Awesome, So Diablo 2 is an mmorpg as well then? Because Hey, it got a massive number of players.
An MMORPG is a game where you can play with a massive amount of people at the same time, in the same persistent gameworld. when your running an instance in GW or PSO/PSU, you are NOT playing with a massive amount of people, your playing with 8 at best in a diffrent gameworld seperated from the other players. Not to mention the vast majority of PSU/GW's content is NOT persistent. a part of the gameworld closes as soon as you leave or exist an instance, therfore, PSU/GW are not MMO's. To the one who said "Well look at the towns!"
Its simply rediculous to consider GW/PSU an MMORPG just because you can meet up in town. GW/PSU are online roleplaying games with SOME MMO aspects. but that does not make them a full mmmorpg.
Oh yeah don't forget BF2142, Halo 2, CS, hell why not include HL:2, Mario and the rest of the games with alot of players. What they arn't mmorpgs? They have alot of people playing them don't they? Oh but they arn't playing together.... but they are in BF and Halo arn't they? In fact you play with more people in those 2 games in one instance than you do in GW.
In conclusion, games that are not mmorpgs should not be included on this website because it is unfair to games that are. Oh and the site is called mmorpg.com.
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I would consider an MMORPG any RPG that is played only on servers provided by the game makers. If players can make their own servers, and use the same characters on their server, as they do on an official server, I wouldn't count it. But anyways, I don't see what the problem is with having games that aren't necessarily MMORPGs on this website though. It's not like really does anything to effect us in any way. Unless you're some petty jerk with lots of time on his hands...
I would consider an MMORPG any RPG that is played only on servers provided by the game makers. If players can make their own servers, and use the same characters on their server, as they do on an official server, I wouldn't count it. But anyways, I don't see what the problem is with having games that aren't necessarily MMORPGs on this website though. It's not like really does anything to effect us in any way. Unless you're some petty jerk with lots of time on his hands...
Then not having them on mmorpg.com should not effect people either. One way or another a line must be drawn to prevent confusion to new-comers to the genre imo.
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I believe that the list of games on this website, while not all MMORPGs, all belong together on this website. If someone develops a different definition for an MMORPG, it doesn't matter. As far as I can find, there is no creditable definition for an MMORPG, and no, Wikipedia is not a creditable resource. If you are truely concerned that people are going to misenterpret what you think an MMORPG is, then I suggest you write the editors of Enciclopedia Brittanica, or perhaps the fine makers of the Merriam-Webster Dictionary.
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The previous version he's talking about was Phantasy Star Online. PSO was a lot like the original Diablo, in many ways. In both games, you had a single town which was a staging area, and you would journey down into a dungeon. In both, there were ten levels to the dungeon, divided into four sections. The list goes on.
If you played the original Diablo, you have a basic idea of how that game played, even if the combat was very different here. PSO was originally free, actually, and many people played it when it was, but they eventually made it pay-to-play. As far as quality, PSO was a really good game for those who liked Diablo-style dungeon crawlers. The only reason this game even got press was because of its predecessor.
Of course, PSO was filled with cheating, like the original Diablo, so it wasn't worth paying for at all in my opinion. I tried the free thirty days online, but I canceled before they got up. PSU is also filled with cheating, unfortunately, which is pretty sad for a MMORPG with a paid subscription.
This game and GW should be removed from this site.
They fulfill the requirements for being listed on the site so what are your arguments?
if guild wars is an mmo then this is an mmo
curious? is this game free?
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Well, it's essentially free to get the game itself. They put no copy protection on the disc, and there are no serial numbers, so I can only assume they don't care if people grab it from a torrent or create multiple accounts from one bought copy.
There's no fee for offline play, but it's something like $9 per month for a subscription, cheaper if you buy larger blocks of time at once. That's not really very much. As far as I'm concerned, this game is almost free compared to most MMORPG's.
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Curt teh Juggler: it was quite possibly the most amazing thing ever.
GW is also not an MMO, thats a quote from the developers themselves.
This game and GW should be removed from this site.
i second that
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GW is also not an MMO, that’s a quote from the developers themselves.
This game and GW should be removed from this site.
i second that
why are ppl so stupid? are some ppl so noob to online games that they dont know the meaning of mmo? it means massivley multi online and guild wars is all of that. the creators never said it was a rpg just cuz some stupid ppl thought it has to rpg like wow and other wow wannabes its not guild was fault. i think ppl should think before they type someting stupid
GW is also not an MMO, that’s a quote from the developers themselves.
This game and GW should be removed from this site.
i second that
why are ppl so stupid? are some ppl so noob to online games that they dont know the meaning of mmo? it means massivley multi online and guild wars is all of that. the creators never said it was a rpg just cuz some stupid ppl thought it has to rpg like wow and other wow wannabes its not guild was fault. i think ppl should think before they type someting stupid
Maybe you should follow your own advice, because GW is not an MMORPG. there is nothing Massively about it, you can not play with a massive amount of people at the same time.lYou guys have obviously not played Guild Wars, if you have then you would realize that you are able to play with a massive amount of people at the same time.
You may not be able to go on missions with them at the same time, however you are able to interact with them at the different areas.
So i think Guild Wars can be called a MMO just because for the simple reason i mentioned above.
Grow up!
GW is also not an MMO, that’s a quote from the developers themselves.
This game and GW should be removed from this site.
Yet another scrub thats trying to tell mmorpg how to run their site. PSU, GW, and many other persistant games are here to stay so please just hush troll
GW is also not an MMO, that’s a quote from the developers themselves.
This game and GW should be removed from this site.
I suspect they wont be removed from this site simply because they fail to meet your esthetic standards. I wouldn't really have mcuh reason to hang at MMORPG.COM if Guild Wars was banned from topical play here because it's not "MMO" worthy, which in my opinion is nonsense.
Maybe the site would be better served by redefining the goal and orientation of this site. If including mMOs (minorly multiplayer) benefits the susbcribers like myself here, then why not simply do that? No need to be elitist here.
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Massive = Massive number of players = Lots of players. How many are lots? I'd say 5,000 or more, roughly speaking. Does guild wars and PSO have more than 5,000 total customers? Yes, I'm sure they do. Therefore they qualify as "massive" in my book.
Multiplayer = You have one player, two player and then "multiplayer" for any number beyond three playing at once.
Online = This one's obvious.
RPG = Obvious.
So yes, games like Guild Wars and PSO are MMORPGs. Tell me where it says that you have to have more than 32, 64 or any other number you arbitrarily choose to pull out of your rump on a single shard/server or whatnot in order to qualify it as a MMORPG?
Even if a game only allows 5 people per server, if it has 10,000 people split out on 2,000 servers it's every bit as "massive" as a game that has 3,000 people on one server. Isn't it?
An MMORPG is a game where you can play with a massive amount of people at the same time, in the same persistent gameworld. when your running an instance in GW or PSO/PSU, you are NOT playing with a massive amount of people, your playing with 8 at best in a diffrent gameworld seperated from the other players. Not to mention the vast majority of PSU/GW's content is NOT persistent. a part of the gameworld closes as soon as you leave or exist an instance, therfore, PSU/GW are not MMO's. To the one who said "Well look at the towns!"
Its simply rediculous to consider GW/PSU an MMORPG just because you can meet up in town. GW/PSU are online roleplaying games with SOME MMO aspects. but that does not make them a full mmmorpg.
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DDO is the same, no actual world to explore but you can meet in the town. It's like everywhere you go is instance/instance/instance...
The fact of the matter is that, whether you have a stick up your butt about whether a largely instanced game can be considered "massively" multiplayer or not, these are games which many people that come to this MMORPG.com are interested in reading about and discussing. As much as it may make you want to cry yourself to sleep at night, these games will stay on the website as long as their boards are fairly active. This is one of the least active boards, so I suspect it may get pulled soon. However, it won't be because it's not "MMO" enough. EQOA got pulled due to lack of activity over a year ago, and it was a MMORPG by any standard definition. If you really want to see this board get pulled, stop bumping this thread with your inane gibbering.
I personally don't consider WW II online much of a RPG. Nor, Planetside for that matter. Oh, wait that's because they're not RPGs at all. Due largely to the fact that they aren't RPGs, they don't hold much interest for me. But you don't see me spamming their boards with whiny threads about it....despite the fact that that this website has RPG in big letters right in the URL.
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
Guild Wars you dont pay per month but I dont like the style. PSU has anime style and you can fully customize your character, even your voice and the pitch of it. In Guild Wars there is no monthly fee but if you enter an area alone, you will stay alone... In PSU if you enter a mission, people can still join in at a later time. Because you always see people around you it gives you an mmo feeling. There are alot of mmorpgs out there but in this game you feel like you are really playing together with other people.. even if its just for 2 minutes... Its not like the next person you will see will be a kill stealer or player killer to you. Also.. Guild Wars is not an mmorpg.. The developers said it theirselves..
How about the mmorpgs that aren't here and were listed? (Neocron is one.)
At some point they went through and removed a bunch of "almost dead" games without many players. I also think they go by forum traffic. So, by posting here, you prolong any decision they might make about removing it.
Or how about the games that are mmorpgs, but are not listed? Like Project Entropia (Is it still around? *checking*). While I think that you'd have to have a screw loose to feed money into an mmorpg like quarters into a video game, they do have 500k subscribers by their webiste. (If you want to look at a really weird idea, go look at the entropa universe website. I wouldn't play it though.)
It has full mmorpg content.
AO, at least, is completely free to play until next year I believe, so pay isn't a criteria.
Second life is listed, but is really more like an on-line community than an rpg, as there is no "game" involved. There were a couple more on here at one time too. The Sims Online was at one time listed here. Diablo a while ago as well, if I remember.
Maybe they go by market share or something?
The Original Poster is correct, in that PSU is not a MASSIVELY Multiplayer Online RPG. not by the literal abbreviation anyway.
PSU and Guild Wars are not Massively Multi-player ONline RPGs. What they ARE, though, are Persistant World RPGs.
and they share this in common with every MMORPG ever created.
which is why they deserve to be on this site. because while they are not MMORPGs by Literal Abbreviation Definition, they DO fit in under the MMORPG Genre. perhaps under their own category, but even so...
The Primary Staple Characteristic of the MMORPG Genre is a Persistant World that constantly changes and does not stop when you turn the game off. NOT the amount of players gathered in one spot at one time.
An MMORPG is a game where you can play with a massive amount of people at the same time, in the same persistent gameworld. when your running an instance in GW or PSO/PSU, you are NOT playing with a massive amount of people, your playing with 8 at best in a diffrent gameworld seperated from the other players. Not to mention the vast majority of PSU/GW's content is NOT persistent. a part of the gameworld closes as soon as you leave or exist an instance, therfore, PSU/GW are not MMO's. To the one who said "Well look at the towns!"
Its simply rediculous to consider GW/PSU an MMORPG just because you can meet up in town. GW/PSU are online roleplaying games with SOME MMO aspects. but that does not make them a full mmmorpg.
Oh yeah don't forget BF2142, Halo 2, CS, hell why not include HL:2, Mario and the rest of the games with alot of players. What they arn't mmorpgs? They have alot of people playing them don't they? Oh but they arn't playing together.... but they are in BF and Halo arn't they? In fact you play with more people in those 2 games in one instance than you do in GW.
In conclusion, games that are not mmorpgs should not be included on this website because it is unfair to games that are. Oh and the site is called mmorpg.com.
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Cancelled: L2, FFXI, VSoH, LotRO, WAR, WoW
Looking Forward To: SW:TOR
Currently Playing: Everything but MMORPGs
Cancelled: L2, FFXI, VSoH, LotRO, WAR, WoW
Looking Forward To: SW:TOR
I believe that the list of games on this website, while not all MMORPGs, all belong together on this website. If someone develops a different definition for an MMORPG, it doesn't matter. As far as I can find, there is no creditable definition for an MMORPG, and no, Wikipedia is not a creditable resource. If you are truely concerned that people are going to misenterpret what you think an MMORPG is, then I suggest you write the editors of Enciclopedia Brittanica, or perhaps the fine makers of the Merriam-Webster Dictionary.