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Camdidus
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Just ran across this story on the ap. Incredible.
Nov 7, 10:06 PM EST
Man Says Bibles in Pocket Stopped Bullet
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. (AP) -- A 54-year-old Orange Park man credits two small Bibles in his shirt pocket for saving his life when they stopped a bullet.
The man, whose name was withheld because his attackers are still at large, told police that two men who he didn't recognize ambushed him with a rifle as he carried bags of garbage to a trash bin. The two men fled in opposite directions and have not been arrested.
Other than a red mark and a pain in his chest, he was not injured, The Florida Times-Union reported Tuesday.
The man said he was carrying two New Testament Bibles in his shirt pocket to give to friends. Police took the Bibles as evidence.
Edited: Fixed link
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It sounds a bit fixed to me... 2 copies of the New Testament? Hmmm.... On exactly the same subject though:
While studying WWII, we had a local woman visit (she was from Poland originally, and left with her family when the Germans got 'rowdy'). Her father had joined the British Army and was fighting the Germans (sorry to state the obvious). The woman brought in his shirt, and on saying her father took a bullet to the chest during the fighting, she held up the shirt, with blood on it and a hole going all the way through. We were all shocked. Her father was a gambling addict - couldn't see the point in not being one, as he was sure he'd take a bullet before he got home. He always carried his own deck, and never had any luck with it, constantly making losses in every game. He carried it in one of his shirt pockets, and just happened to take a bullet square in the middle of it. It pierced both sides of his shirt and aparently caused a small cut (about 0.5cm across) on his chest, which formed a scar later. She then produced the small card deck from her pocket, with the bullet still lodged inside it. It was about an inch and a half long - would have most certainly killed him, and probably been a thru-and-thru job as well. That astounded me. At that point he decided that at last he was 'up', and quit while he was ahead
During the same study we visited Normandy. We spoke to an ex-german soldier who shared some stories with us. A comrade of his had confiscated a gold-plated extract from the Torah, and had yet to submit it to inventory before their unit was moved toward the front line. Long story short, the guy ended up getting under machine gun fire. He took a bullet to his backpack, at which point his unit returned fire and took out the post they were under fire from. The medic rushed to him to find him absolutely fine, pretending to be dead on the floor hoping the guns would stay off him. They explained that they saw a bullet go to his back and had assumed it would have killed him. He said he hadn't even noticed, so they removed his pack once they moved back to cover, and looked through it. His commanding officer removed the extract from the Torah, forgetting the search for the bullet, and began to wave it at him, lecturing that he had no right to have it, and could even face court-martial. Suddenly everyone froze and the CO looked at what was in his hand. The bullet was lodged in the metallic covering of the Torah. That night, the soldier deserted their camp and surrendered himself to British forces as he couldn't face Nazi idealism anymore, and had considered it a sign from God that he was wrong. The two had met up at a veterans function and obtained both sides of the story. I'm not sure it was true or not, but it certainly got a whole lot of warm fuzzy feelings out of our group (having just visited the largest German cemetary in France, which is THE MOST disgusting violation of human rights I've ever seen).
There's a lot of factors involved. Calibre, barrel type, silencer, range, wind direction (to an extent), type of paper, bindings of the book etc etc etc. Same as there are with body armor really. At 100 yards you may get a perfect penetration, but at 500 you may get a glancing blow. Things never work out how they 'should' unfortunately, so it makes it really hard to tell
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Yeah Mythbusters put this one to bed with a glass of warm milk.
Yes you can have a scenario where it works.... but you can have a scenario where a banana skin would stop a bullet if you engineer it right.
still any miraculous story will do some days....
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Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Maybe it was a miracle from God that saved him, and had nothing to do with the thickness of paper or the caliber of the bullet.
Maybe because it's not scientifically proven miracles exist, but proving that low calibre handguns can not cause a fatal injury is possible?
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Well, considering that if we regard anything slightly odd in terms of what saves or kills a person as resulting from the hand of such a power, one would have to concede that the devil has much greater influence in this world. And that, is something no one is comfortable living with.
Besides a .22 from a distance has almost no penetration to speak of, its easy to believe that two books blocked it.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Hemingway
Maybe because it's not scientifically proven miracles exist, but proving that low calibre handguns can not cause a fatal injury is possible?
and who said that could be a low calibre and low calibre can do alot of damage also. The chance of it being a low calibre can be very small since there are not ALOT of low calibre guns. Scientifically they have not been proven to exist but many things have dumbfounded science to which they can not explain and if they did prove miracles existed then they would still put it off as an unexplained and not as we found how miracles work because they never will find out how they work. Only one that does know is god.
Well, considering that if we regard anything slightly odd in terms of what saves or kills a person as resulting from the hand of such a power, one would have to concede that the devil has much greater influence in this world. And that, is something no one is comfortable living with.
Besides a .22 from a distance has almost no penetration to speak of, its easy to believe that two books blocked it.
Ive seen a .22 work when a .22 is fired it wont stop it will keep spinning and it may not penetrate through maybe something like a bullet proof jacket or of a stronger source but iam still to believe it will penetrate through two small bibles and they had to be small to fit in some ones shirt pocket.
Maybe because it's not scientifically proven miracles exist, but proving that low calibre handguns can not cause a fatal injury is possible?
and who said that could be a low calibre and low calibre can do alot of damage also. The chance of it being a low calibre can be very small since there are not ALOT of low calibre guns. Scientifically they have not been proven to exist but many things have dumbfounded science to which they can not explain and if they did prove miracles existed then they would still put it off as an unexplained and not as we found how miracles work because they never will find out how they work. Only one that does know is god.
Quit speaking out of your ass, re-read what you write before posting, it hardly made any sense. I'm saying the fact that he could have been shot with a low calibre gun, and the fact that he had two bibles protecting him could explain why he only had a flesh wound.
Can you give examples of these times when science has been "dumbfounded"?
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Maybe because it's not scientifically proven miracles exist, but proving that low calibre handguns can not cause a fatal injury is possible?
and who said that could be a low calibre and low calibre can do alot of damage also. The chance of it being a low calibre can be very small since there are not ALOT of low calibre guns. Scientifically they have not been proven to exist but many things have dumbfounded science to which they can not explain and if they did prove miracles existed then they would still put it off as an unexplained and not as we found how miracles work because they never will find out how they work. Only one that does know is god.
Quit speaking out of your ass, re-read what you write before posting, it hardly made any sense. I'm saying the fact that he could have been shot with a low calibre gun, and the fact that he had two bibles protecting him could explain why he only had a flesh wound.
Can you give examples of these times when science has been "dumbfounded"?
Stone henge, the pyramids of egypt, the crystal skulls, i mean i can go on.
Maybe because it's not scientifically proven miracles exist, but proving that low calibre handguns can not cause a fatal injury is possible?
and who said that could be a low calibre and low calibre can do alot of damage also. The chance of it being a low calibre can be very small since there are not ALOT of low calibre guns. Scientifically they have not been proven to exist but many things have dumbfounded science to which they can not explain and if they did prove miracles existed then they would still put it off as an unexplained and not as we found how miracles work because they never will find out how they work. Only one that does know is god.
Quit speaking out of your ass, re-read what you write before posting, it hardly made any sense. I'm saying the fact that he could have been shot with a low calibre gun, and the fact that he had two bibles protecting him could explain why he only had a flesh wound.
Can you give examples of these times when science has been "dumbfounded"?
Stone henge, the pyramids of egypt, the crystal skulls, i mean i can go on.
What about them? Stone Henge, which I have been to, is an overhyped calendar. The other two are puzzling yes, to archeologists. That isn't a science, that's history.
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Maybe because it's not scientifically proven miracles exist, but proving that low calibre handguns can not cause a fatal injury is possible?
and who said that could be a low calibre and low calibre can do alot of damage also. The chance of it being a low calibre can be very small since there are not ALOT of low calibre guns. Scientifically they have not been proven to exist but many things have dumbfounded science to which they can not explain and if they did prove miracles existed then they would still put it off as an unexplained and not as we found how miracles work because they never will find out how they work. Only one that does know is god.
Quit speaking out of your ass, re-read what you write before posting, it hardly made any sense. I'm saying the fact that he could have been shot with a low calibre gun, and the fact that he had two bibles protecting him could explain why he only had a flesh wound.
Can you give examples of these times when science has been "dumbfounded"?
Stone henge, the pyramids of egypt, the crystal skulls, i mean i can go on.
What about them? Stone Henge, which I have been to, is an overhyped calendar. The other two are puzzling yes, to archeologists. That isn't a science, that's history.
Scientist are also archeologist in a way and science has to be used in many of them including carbon dating and all. Stone henge calander or not but who lifted them like that who put them up there like that do you know the man power it would take to lift those stones that high and perfectly on top of each other like that? So in my opionion archeology and scientology go hand in hand in many ways.
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I'm still going to back my theory/belief that God did indeed interfere and save this man through his miraculous power.
For the Pyramids of Gaza, I still believe huge masses of people built them, or indeed Giants of the Bible times perhaps. No one knows.
Back on Topic: I dont indeed think two Bibles would be able to stop a bullet.
A .22 can barely penetrate the skull from point blank range, its power significantly decreases over distance because of the lighter inertia.
Given about a quarter mile of distance, its only has the penetrating power of a small hailstone.
As to low caliber weapons being rare, that is pretty much pure BS. I see more "squirrel shooters" than any other kind of weapon these days.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Hemingway
Actually archeology and science are parralel in that context.
Archeology
Now if you were talking about archeology and science in two different subjects or something like that it would be out of context, but considering the who/what/why/when/how was explained largely by scientific measures, it actually classifies archeology as a science in this particular example. Likewise, they have used science to try to explain the other examples such as the pyramids, and while they have a much better understanding of the who/what/why/when/where, they also have equally as many questions - in this context, archeology is again classified as a science and appropriate in the context.
Just to clarify futher, when they found the Gospel of Judas, it was an archeological find, and not a science. When they used science to recreate and preserve it, it was still an archeological find, with some science used seperatly. When they used archeology to trace back the routes of the work, and science to varify/exclude the different theroies, it then defined archeology as a science in that particular case.
And yes, I'm bored.
What greater tribute to free will than the power to question the highest of authority? What greater display of loyalty than blind faith? What greater gift than free will? What greater love than loyalty?
Actually archeology and science are parralel in that context.
Archeology
Now if you were talking about archeology and science in two different subjects or something like that it would be out of context, but considering the who/what/why/when/how was explained largely by scientific measures, it actually classifies archeology as a science in this particular example. Likewise, they have used science to try to explain the other examples such as the pyramids, and while they have a much better understanding of the who/what/why/when/where, they also have equally as many questions - in this context, archeology is again classified as a science and appropriate in the context.
Just to clarify futher, when they found the Gospel of Judas, it was an archeological find, and not a science. When they used science to recreate and preserve it, it was still an archeological find, with some science used seperatly. When they used archeology to trace back the routes of the work, and science to varify/exclude the different theroies, it then defined archeology as a science in that particular case.
And yes, I'm bored.
Yes yes, it may be. But as I said, in this context they are different. His argument was that we "cannot" explain Stonehenge and whatnot, and this proved that miracles exist. I was seperating the two to explain that he needed more scientific examples.
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Actually archeology and science are parralel in that context.
Archeology
Now if you were talking about archeology and science in two different subjects or something like that it would be out of context, but considering the who/what/why/when/how was explained largely by scientific measures, it actually classifies archeology as a science in this particular example. Likewise, they have used science to try to explain the other examples such as the pyramids, and while they have a much better understanding of the who/what/why/when/where, they also have equally as many questions - in this context, archeology is again classified as a science and appropriate in the context.
Just to clarify futher, when they found the Gospel of Judas, it was an archeological find, and not a science. When they used science to recreate and preserve it, it was still an archeological find, with some science used seperatly. When they used archeology to trace back the routes of the work, and science to varify/exclude the different theroies, it then defined archeology as a science in that particular case.
And yes, I'm bored.
Yes yes, it may be. But as I said, in this context they are different. His argument was that we "cannot" explain Stonehenge and whatnot, and this proved that miracles exist. I was seperating the two to explain that he needed more scientific examples.
You may be right, to be honest, I didn't read all of his post(s). Again, I'm just bored, lol.
What greater tribute to free will than the power to question the highest of authority? What greater display of loyalty than blind faith? What greater gift than free will? What greater love than loyalty?
STONEHENGE
Well as to how they were constructed it has been proven how it could ahve been done just using prehistoric technology and some manpower including on how they got shifted 100's miles too. Basically to be brief it was a mixture of river barges and greased treetrunks and a pivot. What they were fore is still not 100% certain tho. tho one theory based on its locationa nd proximaty to othere artifact hint at a religious reason linked to the witer solstice.
PYRAMIDS.
Recently archiologists ahve found the sitte where the pyramid builders ived. Through this we have assertained they were not slaves but villagers working to build the pyramid as part of the villages annual tax. We also learned some of there names. And we learned they were apyed aprtly in rich thick egyption beer
. So as to how they were built its pretty much solved, now its just the specific methods we need to work out.
CRYSTAL SKULLS.
Well i dont know any official stuff on this as i have never looked into this myself but i did see on telly that the skull is actually a teleportation device built by Giants.
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