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WOW, the McDonalds of the mmorpg world


World of Warcraft.  7.5 Million accounts now.  The very basic, simple and no consequences for death or being stupid mmo.  Tons of kiddies.  Lots of really inmature kiddies.  Popularity so insane that this game box really should have Ronald McDonald on the cover with his thumbs up.  Maybe for the upcoming expansion, they could even give a free kiddie meal coupon at McDonalds with the purchase.  Yay.  Then they could sell even more.

This game looks from the numbers to be hauling in over ONE BILLION US dollars per year now.  How is that for insanity?  That is a LOT of money!  Think about it.  That's over a thousand millions.  That's hard, cold cash and most of that is pure profit for Blizzard.  Hell, atleast McDonalds has a LOT more overhead costs then Blizzard with WOW.  McDonalds has to buy locations around the world, they need to pay tens of thousands of employees to work around the clock, they need to buy tons of bread and potatoes and beef. 

McDonalds.  WoW.  Really very much the same when you stop and think about it.  Both are really cute.  They both appeal to young and old alike.  McDonalds has simple menus to read.  WoW has very simple hotbars to read and use.  Both are used in the hundreds of thousands each and every day.  Both are very addicting.

I have a stand alone mom and pop hamburger joint in my home town.  They actually grill real hamburger meat that they form in their kitchen as opposed to the pre-formed factory packaged patties at McDonalds.  The local burger place uses fresh LOCAL vegetables like lettuce and hand sliced tomatoes and onions.  The buns are baked in their own kitchen from a home-made recipe.  The fries are hand cut and rinsed just before being cooked.  The difference between my hometown local burger joint and the McDonalds is like night and day.  The quality and care given at my hometown joint blows the McDonalds care and quality away so much it's not even funny.  My hometown burger joint is downtown off of the beaten path just a little.  The McDonalds sits flashing it's neon sign 24/7 right by the only major intererstate crossing through my town.  I'd guess that McDonalds probably sells about 100 times the volume of meals that my hometown joint does. 

Listening to all the WoW fanbois on this site scream how WoW is the greatest mmo ever made is about like listening to my 3 year old throw a tantrum screaming he doesn't want to go to the mom and pop burger joint, but wants to go to McDonalds instead and get their wonderful kiddie toy.  It's really no different. 

WoW is a good game for what it was made for.  Just as McDonalds is good at a quick, fast, cheap meal to fill up an empy spot in your stomach.  Both are very simple, very basic, and aiked at the masses of the population, esepcially targeting the kids.  They know that kids will sweet talk their parents into going where they want.

MMOs like Ultima Online, Everquest, Asheron's Call, EvE online, and Saga of Ryzom are like the mom and pop joint in my hometown.  Only a small fraction of the customers.  But the quality found in each just blows the doors away off of the depth and challenge found in a simple game like WoW.

You WoW fanbois can argue till you are blue in the face at how much better WoW is then the classics that still run strong today.  You can point at the numbers and neon signs of McDonalds which is pretty much the same as the pretty graphics found in WoW.  I don't care.  And neither does anyone who knows the difference between a REAL high quality mmo and one just made pretty, simple, and quickly to attract the kids and the masses. 

Hmmm, actual flame broiled burger with local fresh beef cooked with care on home-madce bread with fresh local vegetables and freshly cut home style fries  -or- soy filled cheap pre-formed patties put on bulk purchased cheap buns with factory packaged vegetables and factory frozen fries??

I know which one I want.  And it isn't the massively popular option.  The same goes with my mmo selection.




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  • ZindaihasZindaihas Member UncommonPosts: 3,662
    Were you typing that post on an empty stomach or something?

  • MMO_ManMMO_Man Member Posts: 666
    Congrats, you are the 15364483283 person to compare WoW to McDonalds. You are not original nor funny.


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  • HEYuSHOOSHHEYuSHOOSH Member UncommonPosts: 107
    i was thinking the same thing, but to the actual thread, everyone has their own opinion, i thought that wow was cool when i played it, i actually think it is an alright game, just too repetitive.


  • nomadiannomadian Member Posts: 3,490
    Everyone says WoW is like Mcdonalds, but having tasted it I just can't see it.


  • shaeshae Member Posts: 2,509

    So what your saying is you don't like WoW and because of that, your not playing it? OK, that sounds fair, I certainly hope your enjoying whatever it is your playing.

    Now... do you think you could ever possibly stop calling people who might enjoy WoW for what it is fanbois and kiddies or putting it down in ridiculous, fasicious ways?

  • CymekCymek Member Posts: 340

    I don't think your analogy has any merit to it. I am not going into detail on this, but comparing a slab of ground beef slapped between two buns to an MMO is apple's and oranges to say the least.

    There was an editorial on this site a few weeks back talking about why WoW is so popular. One of the reasons was "easy to learn, hard to master". This couldn't be more true.

    And before you go thinking I am just a fanboi, I have an Eve account in good standing. I love Eve, and I love what CCP has done with it. I am just a few agent missions from getting my first battleship, but lately I have been spending a lot of time in WoW.

    Just like the apples and oranges, Eve is a sandbox, WoW is not, as it stands, the general population prefers the gaming model WoW offers.

    You can sit here and hate all you want, nothing is going to change the fact that blizzard has made the most successful MMO to date. Were the innovative? the answer is no. THey took existing mechanics and married them into a very polished piece of software that many could enjoy regardless of hardware, hardcorenesss, or noobness to the genre.

  • CymekCymek Member Posts: 340


    Originally posted by MMO_Man
    Congrats, you are the 15364483283 person to compare WoW to McDonalds. You are not original nor funny.

    QFE, totally agree.

    Lots of haters, and Blizzard hasn't exactly done anything to deserve it, unlike SOE. Blizzard made a game and has held true to their player base. Dont like it? Go away.

  • MajorBiggsMajorBiggs Member UncommonPosts: 709



    Originally posted by shae

    So what your saying is you don't like WoW and because of that, your not playing it? OK, that sounds fair, I certainly hope your enjoying whatever it is your playing.
    Now... do you think you could ever possibly stop calling people who might enjoy WoW for what it is fanbois and kiddies or putting it down in ridiculous, fasicious ways?




    I agree...i used to play WoW and reading what the OP posted was like an insult to me.

    Oh what can i say? Sorry I like WoW? Who made you God and said that I must agree with the fact that WoW is low quality? (which it isnt IMO, basic, but not low quality).

    Insulted.

  • Liam738Liam738 Member Posts: 20



    Originally posted by MassivePvP
    That's hard, cold cash and most of that is pure profit for Blizzard. 



    You're a fucking idiot.
  • JuiceboxJuicebox Member Posts: 16
    Coming from a WoW player myself, Sure WoW is a great game. It held my
    attention for more than a year, but it lacked what it lacks for most
    people. end game content.  WoW (to me) made a hunter what it
    should have been. It felt like you were firing those arrows, not
    pressing a button imagining what it would look like.



    Don't get me wrong though, I'll never say that WoW was better than the
    classics still running today. That's just my opinion however, and I'll
    never force it upon anyone. I do agree though with your comparison. WoW
    did leave me feeling like I ate a mcdonalds meal rather than a nicely
    cooked one. I don't play WoW anymore, but I still have the urges to
    jump back on and talk to everyone, ride my ZG raptor around IF, having
    my chat flooded with /tells of 'why are you on a horde mount'...



    But when it comes down to it, and I'm faced with my mcdonalds WoW urge,
    I'll simply hug my lil froglok warrior in everquest 1 and get a nicely
    cooked meal to feel all warm and comfy inside.








  • HEYuSHOOSHHEYuSHOOSH Member UncommonPosts: 107

    Originally posted by MassivePvP

     Hell, atleast McDonalds has a LOT more overhead costs then Blizzard with WOW.  McDonalds has to buy locations around the world, they need to pay tens of thousands of employees to work around the clock, they need to buy tons of bread and potatoes and beef. 


    That is pure stupidity, are you implying that blizzard doesnt have any employee's and one man or woman made the entire game of world of warcraft? and that one man hosts all of the wow servers from his or her own computer? and that same man updates wow regularly and creates patches by himself.


  • NierroNierro Member UncommonPosts: 1,755
    I liked the post and agreed with it 100%.

    The analogy is overused, but it really fits with WoW. I didn't get the employee part of it though.

    The fact is that WoW is a simple game for people that don't like dealing with anything challenging , good for a little while, and McDonalds is the same thing.



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  • LogicalLogical Member Posts: 8
    Is it just me, or does it seem like every other thread in the pub is like this one nowadays?


  • HEYuSHOOSHHEYuSHOOSH Member UncommonPosts: 107
    yes, people cant except that certain people like certain games for a reason and if they don't like the game they just bash on it all day. Just let people play the game and stop hating.


  • RoinRoin Member RarePosts: 3,444

    Originally posted by Nierro
    I liked the post and agreed with it 100%.

    The analogy is overused, but it really fits with WoW. I didn't get the employee part of it though.

    The fact is that WoW is a simple game for people that don't like dealing with anything challenging , good for a little while, and McDonalds is the same thing.

    And you base this on what?  I use to play WoW, but you know what.  You know exactly jack shit about me.  Comments like yours about the people that do play WoW.  Just shows how moronic and out of touch with people you are.   You don't have a degree in Socialogy or Psychiatry.  You aren't even remotely qualified to give your opinion on people.  Because it's pretty obvious you know nothing about them, much like the original poster of this thread.

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  • MassivePvPMassivePvP Member Posts: 32
    Look at all the kiddies and grown ups with kid-like maturity getting so P.O.'d at their beloved game accurately being compared to that of the McDonalds franchise.  Sheesh, I don't know why you are all so pissed.  McDonalds is highly successful.  And everyone and their brother goes to McDonalds all the time.  It's cool. 

    Despite what so many of you say, My analogy is a very accurate one and is explained very well.  I know some of you are so into your level 60 paladin hitting the same uber hotkey repeatedly and doing the 4 millionth "go kill X creature and come back to me" quest that you fail to see the reality of my analogy. 

    You guys keep ordering Pizza Hut and buying Mountain Dew as you all sit on your pathetic arses getting fat as you play a mindless, unchallegning mmo and think that because it is so popular.. they you are actually "cool" and that you are actually doing something constructive.  Ignore the facts that WoW IS a simple game, that WoW is a faddish game, and that WoW is about 1% as complex and deep a game as a real classic game like "Asherons Call".  And I really don't give a rats ass that Turbines Asheron's Call has so few numbers.  If you'll pull your heads out of your Azeroth steamed poop shooters long enough to actually think about it, you'll easily see that you are missing out on a lot of depth, challenge, and actual gameplay when you compare WoW to any of the old mmo classics. 

    To argue that McDonalds is better food then quality home cooked food or that WoW is the best mmo ever is utterly ridiculous.. and you all know it.  Go stuff your mouths with some more McDonalds french fries and spare me your reasoning as how WoW is so great will ya?





  • Zaxx99Zaxx99 Member Posts: 1,761

    Originally posted by MassivePvP
    Go stuff your mouths with some more McDonalds french fries and spare me your reasoning as how WoW is so great will ya?



    OMG.  I think that we have an instant classic line on these forums.  That line made me laugh so hard and is filled with such symbolic truth that I will have to say that this line should be an instant mmorpg.com classic line!  Ha Ha HA HA

    Also, I would agree whole heartedly with the OP and his comparison.  To disagree with his statements and comparisons is simply to look away from facts and truth.  McDonalds is not great food.  It is however mega popuar.  WoW is not by any stretch of the imagination a great game.  It is a well-oiled mega popular mmo however.  But this doesn't make it deep, challenging or the best ever.  Well said, OP.

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  • HEYuSHOOSHHEYuSHOOSH Member UncommonPosts: 107

    Originally posted by MassivePvP
    Look at all the kiddies and grown ups with kid-like maturity getting so P.O.'d at their beloved game accurately being compared to that of the McDonalds franchise.  Sheesh, I don't know why you are all so pissed.  McDonalds is highly successful.  And everyone and their brother goes to McDonalds all the time.  It's cool. 

    Despite what so many of you say, My analogy is a very accurate one and is explained very well.  I know some of you are so into your level 60 paladin hitting the same uber hotkey repeatedly and doing the 4 millionth "go kill X creature and come back to me" quest that you fail to see the reality of my analogy. 

    You guys keep ordering Pizza Hut and buying Mountain Dew as you all sit on your pathetic arses getting fat as you play a mindless, unchallegning mmo and think that because it is so popular.. they you are actually "cool" and that you are actually doing something constructive.  Ignore the facts that WoW IS a simple game, that WoW is a faddish game, and that WoW is about 1% as complex and deep a game as a real classic game like "Asherons Call".  And I really don't give a rats ass that Turbines Asheron's Call has so few numbers.  If you'll pull your heads out of your Azeroth steamed poop shooters long enough to actually think about it, you'll easily see that you are missing out on a lot of depth, challenge, and actual gameplay when you compare WoW to any of the old mmo classics. 

    To argue that McDonalds is better food then quality home cooked food or that WoW is the best mmo ever is utterly ridiculous.. and you all know it.  Go stuff your mouths with some more McDonalds french fries and spare me your reasoning as how WoW is so great will ya?



    you still don't comprehend the fact that your opinion is not valid and comparing a game to a fast food restaurant is ridiculous. Most of the people i know hate McDonalds, including myself except for maybe there french fries, but anyways flame on human torch, flame on.


  • KnightblastKnightblast Member UncommonPosts: 1,787

    The hate for WoW is absolutely amazing.  If people hate it so much, Blizzard definitely must have done something right.

    And, for the record, Mr. OP, I am also an EVE veteran.  Played it for 2.5 years.  Great game.  EVE and WoW are totally different.  Doesn't mean WoW is a bad game because it isn't like EVE/Ryzom/EQ/UO, etc. 

    You're well entitled to your opinion, but forcing it on others as if it is self-evident truth is ... ironically, very immature of you.


  • mindmeldmindmeld Member UncommonPosts: 229
    Cant say i see the analogy at all..

    I dont see the game as simple either.
    Easier on your eyes, better controlls , and much cleaner and easier modified interface than other mmorpg but not  simpler no.

    It all comes down to how much time you need and have to reach the endgame in an mmorpg.
    Doesnt matter if its ao,eq1,eq2,swg,eve

    Anyway doesnt mater what you play ,nobody deserves to be ridicouled for playing a game they like..



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  • nomadiannomadian Member Posts: 3,490

    WoW polarizes people so much with the two opposite camps of people who play WoW and won't hear criticism about it and people who hate WoW and it's success.  I think if you remove all the emotion, you could really boil it down to WoW is a good game which has achieved it's objectives very well of broadening the appeal of mmorpgs whilst at the same time retaining the Blizzard emphasis of fun. But at the same time it does this it sacrifices some of the qualities of other mmorpgs which old mmorpgers may prefer for example roleplaying, depth, community, world-emphasis and hardcoreness. Also, I think there is a certain irrational fear that some of the qualiities of older mmorpgs will be forgotten in light of the success' of WoW.

  • BlurrBlurr Member UncommonPosts: 2,155
    On either side, it's still got the biggest population, and that's something to be proud of.

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  • KnightblastKnightblast Member UncommonPosts: 1,787

    Originally posted by nomadian
    WoW polarizes people so much with the two opposite camps of people who play WoW and won't hear criticism about it and people who hate WoW and it's success.  I think if you remove all the emotion, you could really boil it down to WoW is a good game which has achieved it's objectives very well of broadening the appeal of mmorpgs whilst at the same time retaining the Blizzard emphasis of fun. But at the same time it does this it sacrifices some of the qualities of other mmorpgs which old mmorpgers may prefer for example roleplaying, depth, community, world-emphasis and hardcoreness. 

    An excellent summary, i think.
  • LifePositiveLifePositive Member UncommonPosts: 130

    Originally posted by MassivePvP
    World of Warcraft.  7.5 Million accounts now.  The very basic, simple and no consequences for death or being stupid mmo.  Tons of kiddies.  Lots of really inmature kiddies.  Popularity so insane that this game box really should have Ronald McDonald on the cover with his thumbs up.  Maybe for the upcoming expansion, they could even give a free kiddie meal coupon at McDonalds with the purchase.  Yay.  Then they could sell even more.

    This game looks from the numbers to be hauling in over ONE BILLION US dollars per year now.  How is that for insanity?  That is a LOT of money!  Think about it.  That's over a thousand millions.  That's hard, cold cash and most of that is pure profit for Blizzard.  Hell, atleast McDonalds has a LOT more overhead costs then Blizzard with WOW.  McDonalds has to buy locations around the world, they need to pay tens of thousands of employees to work around the clock, they need to buy tons of bread and potatoes and beef. 

    McDonalds.  WoW.  Really very much the same when you stop and think about it.  Both are really cute.  They both appeal to young and old alike.  McDonalds has simple menus to read.  WoW has very simple hotbars to read and use.  Both are used in the hundreds of thousands each and every day.  Both are very addicting.

    I have a stand alone mom and pop hamburger joint in my home town.  They actually grill real hamburger meat that they form in their kitchen as opposed to the pre-formed factory packaged patties at McDonalds.  The local burger place uses fresh LOCAL vegetables like lettuce and hand sliced tomatoes and onions.  The buns are baked in their own kitchen from a home-made recipe.  The fries are hand cut and rinsed just before being cooked.  The difference between my hometown local burger joint and the McDonalds is like night and day.  The quality and care given at my hometown joint blows the McDonalds care and quality away so much it's not even funny.  My hometown burger joint is downtown off of the beaten path just a little.  The McDonalds sits flashing it's neon sign 24/7 right by the only major intererstate crossing through my town.  I'd guess that McDonalds probably sells about 100 times the volume of meals that my hometown joint does. 

    Listening to all the WoW fanbois on this site scream how WoW is the greatest mmo ever made is about like listening to my 3 year old throw a tantrum screaming he doesn't want to go to the mom and pop burger joint, but wants to go to McDonalds instead and get their wonderful kiddie toy.  It's really no different. 

    WoW is a good game for what it was made for.  Just as McDonalds is good at a quick, fast, cheap meal to fill up an empy spot in your stomach.  Both are very simple, very basic, and aiked at the masses of the population, esepcially targeting the kids.  They know that kids will sweet talk their parents into going where they want.

    MMOs like Ultima Online, Everquest, Asheron's Call, EvE online, and Saga of Ryzom are like the mom and pop joint in my hometown.  Only a small fraction of the customers.  But the quality found in each just blows the doors away off of the depth and challenge found in a simple game like WoW.

    You WoW fanbois can argue till you are blue in the face at how much better WoW is then the classics that still run strong today.  You can point at the numbers and neon signs of McDonalds which is pretty much the same as the pretty graphics found in WoW.  I don't care.  And neither does anyone who knows the difference between a REAL high quality mmo and one just made pretty, simple, and quickly to attract the kids and the masses. 

    Hmmm, actual flame broiled burger with local fresh beef cooked with care on home-madce bread with fresh local vegetables and freshly cut home style fries  -or- soy filled cheap pre-formed patties put on bulk purchased cheap buns with factory packaged vegetables and factory frozen fries??

    I know which one I want.  And it isn't the massively popular option.  The same goes with my mmo selection.



    Jesus Christ...Was it really necessary, nay, was it worth
    it
    to write a 713 word essay about the same idiotic comparison that's been
    made countless times before? Seriously, the effort you put into this thing
    doesn't validate your personal preference anymore then the "kiddies"
    you condescend to. It's unoriginal, it's worn out, and it's blatantly bullshit.
    Why write it?



    And come on! Ultima online had it's day, it was a good game but it's respected
    in the same way the fucking Founding Fathers of America are... It's a relic for
    Christ's sake! Everquest was a boring piece of shit when it came out and it's a
    boring piece of shit today, right alongside every other MMO Sony has *EVER*
    made. Asheron's Call barely exists today, and its sequel doesn't exist at all.
    There's a message in that. Eve Online I'll gladly agree with you on, it's a
    better game, yes, but it's a different kind of game. The two can not reasonably
    be compared by any stretch of the imagination. Saga of Ryzom never impressed
    me, and it still feels pretty ragged and somehow incomplete today. WoW is
    easily the better, more polished game and it was from the start.



    Like it or not, WoW deserves the success it has gained. Say what you want about
    the player base, but it's more diverse then games like Eve's will ever be
    and the reason ain't the kiddies.



    Your preferences are your own. You're entitled to them and no one is forcing
    you to pay Blizzard $15 a month or tying you to a fucking chair to play their
    game. If you have a problem with people who think differently, I humbly suggest
    that you go fuck yourself. You're crossing a line here.



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  • OhaanOhaan Member UncommonPosts: 568

    Originally posted by Cymek
    I don't think your analogy has any merit to it. I am not going into detail on this, but comparing a slab of ground beef slapped between two buns to an MMO is apple's and oranges to say the least.I think he's referring to the commercial approach of the respective companies.
    There was an editorial on this site a few weeks back talking about why WoW is so popular. One of the reasons was "easy to learn, hard to master". This couldn't be more true.I agree, but it's nothing to really be boast about. WoW is hard to master because of raw quantity of time required for repetitive tasks. And before you go thinking I am just a fanboi, I have an Eve account in good standing. I love Eve, and I love what CCP has done with it. I am just a few agent missions from getting my first battleship, but lately I have been spending a lot of time in WoW.Just like the apples and oranges, Eve is a sandbox, WoW is not, as it stands, the general population prefers the gaming model WoW offers.You can sit here and hate all you want, nothing is going to change the fact that blizzard has made the most successful MMO to date. Were the innovative? the answer is no. THey took existing mechanics and married them into a very polished piece of software that many could enjoy regardless of hardware, hardcorenesss, or noobness to the genre.True. Blizzard has dramatically raised the bar on delivering smooth, near bug free, and well maintained code. Hopefully other devs will take note and conclude that releasing buggy software is no longer acceptable.
    Lots of haters, and Blizzard hasn't exactly done anything to deserve
    it, unlike SOE. Blizzard made a game and has held true to their player
    base. Dont like it? Go away.Don't agree with that one. At the time of release Blizzard marketted the game as casual friendly and delivered on that very well. The post level 60 endgame however is not so casual friendly.

    As for going away if we don't like it, right back at you. You don't have to read these threads. Everyone is entitled to voice their opinions and with 7.5 mill subscribers there are going to be lots of WoW opinions.



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