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It sickens me.
TheMiracleDT
Member Posts: 63
Why do people kiss blizzard's ass and say theyre the ultimate company because they pushed back an expansion to add on more of the same stuff, while Vanguard is giving us a very close view of developement and people act like its the final version of the game? Speculation is fine but stop trying to call things of which you haven't even see the full versions amazing or terrible. Half of these posts are of that nature, and people who don't know crap are ruiining early ideas of the game.
The best anyone can do is speculate, so don't try to do anything else.
The best anyone can do is speculate, so don't try to do anything else.
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Most of the game is shrouded in secrecy..
I made a post about Vanguards graphics and how I am not so impressed when compared to other current and in development games. It's an honest observation, and also my opinion. I know the game is still in development, but knowing that Vanguard is supposedly supposed to be out in the 1st quarter on 07' I feel the graphics should look better, especially when you compare them to some other in-development games out there which don't even have a estimated release time and the graphics still look better than Vanguards.... or at least from what I've seen.
People are aloud to voice their opinions, concerns and thoughts about the game so calm down. I just don't understand why you are so hard up about defending this game, when you don't know anymore about the game then most of the people posting here.
And yes, I most likely will be checking out this game when released. even though I have concerns about certain aspects of the game, the good outweighs it.... for now.
Sounds to me like all you care about are graphics. I know the game will look alot better when released, after all it is beta still. I would imagine there not as interested in graphics atm as they are to the gameplay and how thing are working.
Graphics are easy to upgrade as compared to game mechanics.
And ya, they are giving out alot of details about the game. I dont know how you have no Idea what Miracle is talking about.
Anyone who thought that The Burning Crusade was coming out when Blizzard first announced it obviously hasn't had much experience with the company.
......
Remember that lil' game called "Ghost"?
....anyone?
....it's not even an MMO.
Graphics is not my biggest concern when in comes to online gaming, but I can honestly say that I like a game with good graphics...
From what I've seen so far, and knowing that this game is not too far from being released, the graphics are not as great as I hoped, and I think I am more disappointed about it in this game because everything else about the game sounds so good to me. Oh, and you know...for a FACT that it will look better when released? And your reasoning behind this fact is because the game is still in beta? I've seen video and screen shots of other in-development games that look better than Vanguard and are further away from release, so saying that I can't judge the graphics I've seen because they are still developing them is bull. Plus I've seen games in their last stages of beta being played and, besides little tweaking hear and there, the games were released looking very similar to how I saw them in beta.
This is one of the videos that concerns me....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v
Companies want to show off their products and that's why Sigil released screen shots to be seen, and frankly I'm a bit underwhelmed. I'm hoping once I get into game it will look better, or that maybe they really are still tweaking the graphics.
Like I said before, the graphics are NOT my main concern but good graphics are, for me, a very important thing for my online game play. I've been spoiled with good graphics so I guess I expect that the more advanced computer graphics get, the better the new, big name games should look. The character movement looks like it needs work. I've seen no landscape or scenery that made me say wow. I actually find a lot of it to look boring. Nothing about the look of this game has impressed me, but the game play and features have and THATS why I'm going to give this game a shot over other games.
I said I have no idea what no Miracle is talking about because he brings up Blizzard then goes on to talk about people voicing their opinions about Vanguard. What does one have to do with the other? It just sounds to me like he has a stick up his a** concerning WoW, but why bring it to the Vanguard boards?
P.S.
I sound like I'm coming off extremely harsh when talking about the graphics, but I can honestly say they are not that bad, not horrible, just not as impressive as I hopped for and somewhat boring. My all time favorite online game is SWG and at the time the graphics were great, but when I look at them now they seam out of date. The graphics in Vanguard do look better then SWG, but they don't look better to a lot of the other games already out there or in-development.
I'll let you in on it. Vanguard has a huge amount of trolls, on this site and others, that try and piss out the campfire on a daily basis. Sometimes it gets sickening, that's what his post was about. I understand discussion, just not hatred of inanimate objects or groups of code.
Not so impressed by Vanguards graphics? I won't bite your head off, just post a screenshot. You might not like them, but I think they are fantastic.
I'll let you in on it. Vanguard has a huge amount of trolls, on this site and others, that try and piss out the campfire on a daily basis. Sometimes it gets sickening, that's what his post was about. I understand discussion, just not hatred of inanimate objects or groups of code.
Not so impressed by Vanguards graphics? I won't bite your head off, just post a screenshot. You might not like them, but I think they are fantastic.
I do understand about the trolling, but I also think some people are too sensitive. It's almost as if some people are so passionate about this game that one criticism and they will defend the game to the fullest, and this before it's even been released.
Honestly, the screen shot is not that impressive and it's nothing new. I find it dull and boring.
It has a similar look to EQ2, but judging from the screen shots I find the graphics of EQ2 to look better then Vanguard.
Here are some screenshots I took Myself of my character in EQ2. These were taken on the highest settings possible...on my laptop (Dell XPS, nVidia GeForce Go 6800 Ultra). I think these look way nicer then the company screenshots put out to promote Vanguard...and you know they had to have taken them on high settings.
Can I get exp for fighting these trolls?
Can I get exp for fighting these trolls?
And I specifically said that I find that most people who are posting around here are just voicing their concerns, questions, opinions and thoughts about the game. Just because someone has a concern dealing with the game doesn't mean they are bashing it, and it doesn't make them a troll. I have read some serious trolling on these forms but for the most part I find most people around the vanguard forums are just trying to have a discussion concerning aspects of the game, and "speculating" as you would say. Seriously though, don't let the trolls get to you, and don't confuse the people who voice their opinions and concerns for trolls.
What trolls are you "fighting off" anyway? I hope your not talking about me because I see absolutely no trolling in my post. Most trolls wouldn't say they are disappointed in something but are still going to give the game a shot...
I do share this concern, I played EQ 2 also, and the Vanguard graphics are not quite there yet. However, I remember when EQ 2 first came out, the graphics were not as good as what they are now. The armor lacked detail, the entrance to Nektulos from Commonlands was just a black hole, etc. EQ 2's graphics have evolved over it's two year run.
I tend to agree that the primary concern of the developement team should be the gameplay. Graphics upgrades can come gradually. From what I am reading, they still have alot of work ahead of them to evolve the game, alot of world to fill. I think it unreasonable to assume they will be able to introduce a highly polished product at inception. Eventually they have to jump of the carousel, introduce a workable product, and refine it as they go, otherwise everyone would still be playing the circle game, like Tabula Rasa.
I smell a Drama Queen!
I agree, I can smell you from here...
I completely agree. The game play, content and game features is what's most important and it's what made me interested in Vanguard in the first place. I see a lot I like, and I am looking forward to release of the game. The one main concern I have is the graphics, mainly the character movement and the graphics during battles that I've seen on videos. I know it has room for improvement and I have not once said I am giving up on the game because of the graphics I've seen. I've just been voicing my concern and opinions on them, and people who are way to sensitive and seam to want to stick up for the game no matter what, want to shoutl troll at the first sign of criticism..... and I'm the one being applied as a drama queen.
The OP was complaining about haters, and there are many Vanguards haters as well, mostly old EQ players.
I always say only 1 thing myself, with raid-free servers, Vanguard would be home, without such servers it would be a game I won't buy nor consider to play. And go figure, these guys, they call me a troll sometimes, they think I am all evil. I made the same single request since I join this site in 2003, no matter the MMO, I even become a game designer in order to rework the sentences so they can understand me, but obviously someone who isn't with them is automatically against them. I think Vanguard has a LOT to offer, however, as I said it, if it fails to provide raid-free servers I will just decline this game, just as I would decline any PKing game. SPECIFIC SERVERS, even if not updated for more than a year, is the main reason why I even bother checking that game at all. EQ teaches me to refuse PKing, refusing raiding-enforcement is merely the next logical step.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
The Vanguard screenshot looks like flat EQ2 graphics. The EQ2 screenshot makes me want to cry. EQ2 graphics are so tummy churning for me I can't even look at a screen shot. The characters look like they were hand molded out of clay by someone with no artistic talent. The way the textures blur beyond a very close radius around the character was what completely killed the game for me. I always felt like I was in some kind of horrible stop motion video short.
I echo other posters who are critical of the graphics here. We do NOT just care about graphics, but there are serious concerns that the artistic style/rendering engine combination we are seeing here may be completely immersion breaking. WoW has completely cartoony graphics and when I switch from a session in GW to WoW, it can take a few minutes to adjust, but somehow it is immersive. EQ2 never became immersive for me, in fact I was more and more repulsed the more I played.
Vanguard seems to have the depth and game design to be a great hit and a game I would want to play for an extended period of time. If it's ruined by the graphics, it's going to be a huge frustration knowing that if not for that major failing, it would be a very worthy game.
I think the genre really needs to lure some of the graphic engine masters working on cutting edge FPS games into the challange that MMORPGs represent. There are limitations that the MMORPG puts on level of detail in models and textures, but it seems that most mmorpg developers use that as an excuse for uninspired graphics, rather than trying to really push the bounderies by making the best possible use of the texture and poly budgets they have to work with. (I won't even get into the animation aspect again, there is no technical limitation that explains the horrible animations I'm seeing in the Vanguard videos).
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See, everyone has an opinion. Some people think EQ2's graphics are the best ever made, some people think they are the worst. Are you correct or are they? We are all correct. We like what we like and no one can tell you what you like is bad and what you don't like is good.
I am glad people are voicing their concerns about the graphics, makes the devs work that much harder. But please, I beg you, voice them on the official forums in an objective manner. It can only help improve the final product.
I called him a troll. Not because I want to stick up for the game but because he wants to believe that at this point he's able to deternine every last intricacy of the game through a few screenshots from a game that has been worked on for four years and one that isn't even finished yet. Do you know it will be bad? No more than I know that it will be good. So just shut up and wait like a good troll.
We like to poke fun of Vanguard and its players because they act like little girls that just saw a guy looking up their dress. You are so dying to fill your empty lives with 70+ hours of Vanguard a week and it's pathetic to see.
People "kiss Blizzards ass" because they deserve it! They have 7 million players, lets see sucky Vanguard get 700,000 or SHUT UP! I got my beta app and I didn't even bother, thats how bad Vanguard is!
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If you have any questions please ask. I have moved on to WoW from eq and no longer have any desire to play a dead game. Thank you. (posted by another selling his account in EQ1)
Mnmn graphics like EQ2.
They have employed ex SOE artists but I would wager they will be better when we see this game on release.
Does it really matter so long as it looks good?
Now playing: VG (after a long break from MMORPGS)
Played for more than a month: Darkfall online, Vanguard SOH, Everquest, Horizons, WoW, SWG, Everquest II, Eve