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FBI raid on a private l2 server

For anyone that doesn't believe this it has been comfirmed, check the link.

http://www.ncsoft.com/eng/NCPress/View.asp?hSeq=1

Please listen to me never play a private server for anything I learned the hard way.

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  • LiddokunLiddokun Member UncommonPosts: 1,665



    Originally posted by nethaniah

    For anyone that doesn't believe this it has been comfirmed, check the link.
    http://www.ncsoft.com/eng/NCPress/View.asp?hSeq=1
    Please listen to me never play a private server for anything I learned the hard way.



    Justice is served.
  • XApotheosisXXApotheosisX Member Posts: 277

    does this mean trouble is on the horizons for SWGEMU?

  • severiusseverius Member UncommonPosts: 1,516
    Im not sure if I ever played on this one or not, but if people are providing free servers for a fee then yes it is in violation of a number of laws.  I doubt that this will have any impact on the thousands of l2 severs, uo servers and least of all swgemu.  Also dont forget that a very large number of free servers are hosted outside of the US where the FBI has absolutely 0 jurisdiction, and in fact, a number of countries do not have copyright laws like the US does.  Just look at sweden for a perfect example.


  • DhaemanDhaeman Member Posts: 531
    Seems like the big issue is NCSoft allowing anyone to download their
    software, thus eating up bandwidth from people that have no intention
    of paying to play L2.


  • iddmitriiddmitri Member UncommonPosts: 671
    all about $$$. =)


  • LiddokunLiddokun Member UncommonPosts: 1,665



    Originally posted by dmitri84
    all about $$$. =)


    Of course it's all about the money. Would you appreciate it if you spent millions of dollars in developing a game which was stolen by someone else and now they are profiting off it ? I think not, so what NCsoft did is very reasonable.
  • iddmitriiddmitri Member UncommonPosts: 671
    Yeah I would've done the same thing if I were CEO of NCsoft - FBI sounds very scary, they probably scared at least half of the people that run these private servers and good advertisment btw. Lineage2 sucks as a game anyways.



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  • FaurFaur Member Posts: 330

    Originally posted by severius
    Im not sure if I ever played on this one or not, but if people are providing free servers for a fee then yes it is in violation of a number of laws.  I doubt that this will have any impact on the thousands of l2 severs, uo servers and least of all swgemu.  Also dont forget that a very large number of free servers are hosted outside of the US where the FBI has absolutely 0 jurisdiction, and in fact, a number of countries do not have copyright laws like the US does.  Just look at sweden for a perfect example.
    It's not just about copyright law. When you play Lineage 2, you sign a contract that you will not play L2 on an "emulated" server other than the official ones.

  • CleffyIICleffyII Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 3,440

    Thats what you call awesome.  Take Ragnarok Online for example.  It has 20k paying subscribers in the US, and over a hundred thousand on private servers.  Now imagine if those players played ligetally.  Then the game company would have more money, and can do things like offer more content faster.

    Its just as they said in the report.  Private servers cost the game publishers money by stealing thier intellectual property without giving any sort of repayment, which ultimately costs the legit players.

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  • ApocalypticaApocalyptica Member Posts: 491



    Originally posted by CleffyII

    Thats what you call awesome.  Take Ragnarok Online for example.  It has 20k paying subscribers in the US, and over a hundred thousand on private servers.  Now imagine if those players played ligetally.  Then the game company would have more money, and can do things like offer more content faster.
    Its just as they said in the report.  Private servers cost the game publishers money by stealing thier intellectual property without giving any sort of repayment, which ultimately costs the legit players.



    Ditto. Glad companies are starting to act on those illegal servers. It has been going on for far to long.

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  • BriarFoxBriarFox Member Posts: 34
    I thought that the United States and Europe had basically the same
    copyright laws under the Bern Convention? Some European countries have
    even harsher copyright laws for books don't they.   Something like
    the life of the author plus 100 years instead of 50 or whatever it is
    in the U.S.



    Is Sweden different?  Not stating these things as fact, it was just what I understood to be true.




  • ianubisiianubisi Member Posts: 4,201


    Originally posted by XApotheosisX
    does this mean trouble is on the horizons for SWGEMU?

    It's illegal. Always has been. People engaged in running these things are inviting a whole heap of trouble.

  • MMO_ManMMO_Man Member Posts: 666

    Originally posted by ianubisi
    Originally posted by XApotheosisX
    does this mean trouble is on the horizons for SWGEMU?

    It's illegal. Always has been. People engaged in running these things are inviting a whole heap of trouble.


    Yep SOE will sick the FBI on them as soon as they release something, maybe before that.


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  • SinitassuSinitassu Member Posts: 67
    Maybe the game company should stop and think. Why do people want to
    play on free(pirate) servers. Maybe because their game isn't worth the
    money needed to play on their own server. Maybe gamers think they are
    greedy. Yes, it is a crime, but no crimes would be commited if there'd
    be no need for them. A monthly fee game should have EXTREMELY good
    customer support and a hell a lot of updates to keep old players in. If
    they don't provide enough content to make players feel they pay for
    something... this is what happens. Would anyone of you buy a toaster
    that would require a quarter every time you used it if there'd be no
    extra benefits to the ones you don't pay the quarter  for.

    Go FBI! Go NCsoft! GO PIRATES! YARRR!

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  • xIMPxxIMPx Member Posts: 191
    This is sad news, maybe if L2 was actually worth a monthly fee there would be no private servers.  This is why you have to host your server in a country where there are no laws against it.  My heart goes out to the l2extreme team.


  • napalmswebnapalmsweb Member UncommonPosts: 150

    Originally posted by CleffyII
    Thats what you call awesome.  Take Ragnarok Online for example.  It has 20k paying subscribers in the US, and over a hundred thousand on private servers.  Now imagine if those players played ligetally.  Then the game company would have more money, and can do things like offer more content faster.
    I don't agree with your logic at all. People play on private servers because a) they don't want to pay a monthly fee, b) can't afford the monthly fee, c) don't like the game enough to justify paying the monthly fee etc. You can't convert these individuals to paying customers so you haven't lost any money by there playing on private servers. I would actually argue, as I would with piracy in general, that it often can lead to further sales. Take for example a guy who is interested in WoW, tries a private server and likes the game, but hates all the crap that goes along with private servers, and then decides to buy the game so he can keep playing without fear of losing his toon. That is money going to the developer they may never have had, had the guy not played on a private server. Sure you could say, go try the demo, but I would argue that the private servers are just larger demos for a lot of people.


  • absinthismabsinthism Member Posts: 6

    Originally posted by nethaniah
    Please listen to me never play a private server for anything I learned the hard way.

    Can you explain how you or any other player on those servers "learned the hard way"? I guess if you really cared about your characters then you could say that. But then why would anyone play on a private server if you cared so much about your characters?


  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,976



    Originally posted by napalmsweb



    Originally posted by CleffyII

    Thats what you call awesome.  Take Ragnarok Online for example.  It has 20k paying subscribers in the US, and over a hundred thousand on private servers.  Now imagine if those players played ligetally.  Then the game company would have more money, and can do things like offer more content faster.


    I don't agree with your logic at all. People play on private servers because a) they don't want to pay a monthly fee, b) can't afford the monthly fee, c) don't like the game enough to justify paying the monthly fee etc. You can't convert these individuals to paying customers so you haven't lost any money by there playing on private servers. I would actually argue, as I would with piracy in general, that it often can lead to further sales. Take for example a guy who is interested in WoW, tries a private server and likes the game, but hates all the crap that goes along with private servers, and then decides to buy the game so he can keep playing without fear of losing his toon. That is money going to the developer they may never have had, had the guy not played on a private server. Sure you could say, go try the demo, but I would argue that the private servers are just larger demos for a lot of people.


    Yes, but it is not done with the permission of the game company. What's more, private servers have different rule sets than the main game so it really is a detour to what is offered on the main game.

    Listen, you can't just read a book, dislike the ending, and decide to rewrite the ending and then post the book for download for anyone who wants to give a donation. You can't take a song, decide that it needs more musical material in the higher end, mix it in and then post it for download for donation.

    You can't take someone else's game, decide you don't like parts of it, change it, and then offer it for play for donations.

    Property is property, real, intellectual or otherwise. If people don't like the game then don't play. But unless you have a large financial stake in the making of the game, you don't have say as to whether or not that game can be altered and offered as an alternative to the general populace.

    There is a reason we have laws.

     

     

     


     

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  • newbinatornewbinator Member Posts: 780

    good to see our tax dollars being used to keep us safe, oh wait .... WTF ..... FBI shutting down a L2 private server.... meanwhile real criminals are ROFLing

    LoLz noobcake FBI Learn2CatchMurderersInsteadofNerdsRunningPrivateServers

    Sad, truly sad. Especially cuz L2 is a horrible game.

  • cdnironsidecdnironside Member Posts: 28

    oh darn, someone broke the law and got busted doing it, the shame...

    if youre going to emulate a server in violation of the ToS why not make it a game that doesn't suck

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,976



    Originally posted by newbinator

    good to see our tax dollars being used to keep us safe, oh wait .... WTF ..... FBI shutting down a L2 private server.... meanwhile real criminals are ROFLing
    LoLz noobcake FBI Learn2CatchMurderersInsteadofNerdsRunningPrivateServers
    Sad, truly sad. Especially cuz L2 is a horrible game.




    It's a different division of the FBI.

    And regardless of whether one likes the game, hates the game, thinks that the FBI should only be tracking down Aliens, copyright infringement is against the law.

    Just because it's "hard" to catch every person doesn't mean that you don't make the effort.

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  • LiddokunLiddokun Member UncommonPosts: 1,665



    Originally posted by newbinator

    good to see our tax dollars being used to keep us safe, oh wait .... WTF ..... FBI shutting down a L2 private server.... meanwhile real criminals are ROFLing
    LoLz noobcake FBI Learn2CatchMurderersInsteadofNerdsRunningPrivateServers
    Sad, truly sad. Especially cuz L2 is a horrible game.



    It's all about the principles. If NCsoft didn't take action it's like giving their OK sign for people to steal their software and customers. You claimed L2 is a horrible game yet there are over 55,000+ people playing it (according to L2extreme), that means these 55,000 people doesn't think it's a horrible game. Imagine if 55,000 people aren't paying $15 a month to NCsoft that means NCsoft would theoretically be losing about $825,000 a month. If such huge sum of money is involved you can be sure the FBI will be involved.

  • xxarelxxxxarelxx Member Posts: 4

     

    Yes, but it is not done with the permission of the game company. What's more, private servers have different rule sets than the main game so it really is a detour to what is offered on the main game.

    Listen, you can just read a book, dislike the ending, and decide to rewrite the ending and then post the book for download for anyone who wants to give a donation. You can take a song, decide that it needs more musical material in the higher end, mix it in and then post it for download for donation.

    You can take someone else's game, decide you don't like parts of it, change it, and then offer it for play for donations.

     If people don't like the game then don't play. you have say as to whether or not that game can be altered and offered as an alternative to the general populace.

    There is a reason we have laws. To break them. Viva la resistance!

     

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  • FaurFaur Member Posts: 330
    It baffles me that people actually think it's okay to play on private servers because they didn't like the game anyway.
    These guys are working hard to create a product to sell, I would be infuriated if some brat just comes along and steals it cos "lol it sux I'd never pay for that anyway", yet he spends 4 hours a day on it for months, if not years.



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