Originally posted by shugoo it dosent really matter if ppl leave bec once the exspansion comes out they will all be running back to see how it is
Funny you say that, I was actually considering checking out BC but the more I see the craptacular priest talents and spells the more I doubt I will. They are just making it so healing sucks and they want all priests to be shadow spec.
EQ2 has a much better healing set of classes, I just wish WoW would steal some of their ideas.
Originally posted by Obadno Have any of you givin EQ2 a try..i mean realy and not the trial Over the last few months its turned into an awsome game i played it at launcha nd hated it, then moved on to other games, played wow for a few moths got some chars in the 30's then left Im here to tell you eq2 has held my intrest a good while i'd sugest anyone to come try it its curently tied for first with GW and EVE
Sure EQII has made some vast improvements since it has launched. But why telll someone to check it out when in a couple of months EQers are gonna be checking out Vanguard just like every one else
I've been playing WoW since beta, mainly because I've enjoyed the flexable scripting system that lets you customize most of the UI. However, as I've been testing the 2.0 changes, I've really been frustrated with the features that are being blocked. Over half of the dozen mods that I've written are either ruined or have serious problems with the new protected function calls. I think I've reached the point where its time for a change.
PS. I found ES4:Oblivion on sale and decided to give it a try. I'm quite impressed with it, but wish it had a multi-player option. I was thinking of getting NWN2, but read that the release is pretty buggy. I'll probably try it later after its been cleaned up with some patches.
Feels like I'm in the same boat. I decided to quit a few months back and even deleted my characters. But when I saw some of the new content, I came back and got the GMs to restore everything.
Seems like the only way to quit is to never subscribe. The moment you get back on, the GMs seem willing to do whatever it takes to keep you on. The blizzard folks are pretty smart when it comes to making money.
The game is still fun if you have some time to kill. I play EvE mainly, but it's nice to be able to log onto wow and do a few BGs after some intense pvp in EvE. Good old mindless fun ftw!
I'm never going back to the old days of 6 hour raids or 12 hour honor grinds that I use to do.
But WoW is still a fun game, so long as I don't overplay it.
Originally posted by Bent Awww... Don't you worry They will undelete your chars for you. You'll lose your equipment and items but can get your char back.
And what do you mean "achieved something" unless your selling on ebay, by playing an MMO you're are wasting time that could be used to acomplish something. It isn't like it is a big deal to hit cap level and get some decent equipment. And in the end all that is, is a trophy to how much time you have wasted.
Now there is nothing wrong with wasting time if you have time to waste. But understand, wasting does not equal achieving. When you realize that your "uber" char is really just one of a million, and that you spent countless hours to become nothing more then one of a million you understand you haven't really gained much and thus by deleting you aren't really losing much. You lose your time "investment" but help to ensure your future time is spent more wisely.
As an example 718 hour of Civ4 as great as game as it is, could have been spent getting a degree. Online degree some certification, going to night school. Working; @ $10 hour that a little less than $7000. You get the idea. Gaming whether online or not, is simply a very inefficant way to spend time. It become increasing preilous because of the addictive nature of gaming. I don't know many people that read 40hrs a week, or even watch that much TV, but I have known people that game 40hr a week.
It even becomes worse when you find yourself on forums debating tactics and builds and agruing about something that doesn't little more then steal your time away and causes you much stress. When you're in the loop it is hard to notice.
In General - Doing something that does not increase your value in life. Either how much you make, or how much you are worth (both money-wise, and what they say at your funeral-wise).
My only point was a person stated they were leaving the game and was questioned "why" they deleted their chars, because that effectively destroys what they have achieved. The point I was trying to make was, "why is that player being questioned?" he likely understands he'll achieve more without WoW.
I know that isn't a real specific def. Everyone does wastes time by that definition too. My second point was to suggest gaming is more addictive then many other distractions.
I guess the overall is why question the reasons someone that decided to leave, choose to delete their chars. They must have come to the conclusion that they would gain more by deleting them then leaving them. Likely in an effort to fight the urge to come back.
Now if you are going to waste 20 hours a week. Or use 20 hours a week as you time or relaxing time that is fine. If youre not going to get evicted or starve as a result you have no real reason to feel bad. And everyone does need time to debunk. However, MMOs have that addictive kick. And it is easy to see that 20hr/week grow. So let us look at this real quick. If you were doing fine having 20 hours to play/relax a week and you are suddenly at 30 what happened? Did you suddenly need more you time? I doubt it, you just wasting an extra 10 hours a week because and addiction grew.
jimmyman99 I used your post because you are the person that questioned him. You are welcome to hold value into a game. I was just trying to explain the conclusion the OP likely came to. That their time was better spent elsewhere, and that WoW is addicting so anything that can help fight that is to their benefit. I was just surprised it was questioned, so tried to example the likely why in a number of different ways. It amounts to a drug user that is trying to quit getting rid of his needles and being asked why did he do that, If you ever wanted to start using drugs again . That is an extreme example of course. So exactly how much Civ you played is irrelevant. 50 hours is still ~$500 that could be made, or a text book that could have been read. And last I checked when someone hands you $500 it is a lot and if someone says they read an entire text book from front-to-back that seems like a lot too.
Most people that quit or reduce their gaming do so because they find there is other more valuable ways they need to, or could be spending their time. Kids, spouse, boy/girlfriend, employment, etc. OR they find that on their new schd, the schd that allows them to live without getting devoiced, charged with child neglect, or evicted they cant play more then maybe 0-10 hours a week which isnt enough to sate them but frustrates more then anything. So it is easier to quit gaming all together then to try to hang on to it. Sure there, are other people out that they make >100k a year from investments and likely play WoW too. It is still "wasting time" but they dicided they have time to spare. But even these people could still suffer family trouble if they gamed 40+ hours each week.
I quit wow back in august, and unlike a lot of people, I have retained my account and my character.
I spent 2 years of my life on that game.. 172 /played days on my character and what do I have to show for those 2 years? A decked out character and a realization that I've just spent 2 years getting very little sex from my wife.
I keep my character... no sellin for me. This way I have something to show for that 2 year hole in my life... that and the 35 extra pounds on me.
Originally posted by shugoo it dosent really matter if ppl leave bec once the exspansion comes out they will all be running back to see how it is
Not true , I quit and deleted my one toon a grand marshaL rogue. I played for about a year and a half
Well about a month after i quit i get a closed beta key for Burning Crusade , dont ask me why as i dont have an active account, or even any toons in that game. But any ways i have no desire to use that key or ever play WoW again. As far as am concerned Burning Crusader is the same shit different pile LoL
Originally posted by swede2 Well about a month after i quit i get a closed beta key for Burning Crusade , dont ask me why as i dont have an active account, or even any toons in that game. But any ways i have no desire to use that key or ever play WoW again. As far as am concerned Burning Crusader is the same shit different pile LoL
I can tell you what's been added, first for the starting and low end characters:
1) the two new races still use all the same classes, the only difference being that now all classes are available to both factions. There are a few new racial skills, but nothing significant.
2) the two new starting area and new capital cities are nicely done and there are a couple of new quest ideas, but they still follow the standard pattern.
3) one big change is jewelcrafting, but the only trainers are in the new capitals, which you can't get to unless you have the expansion.
4) there are a few new crafting recipes that you can now buy without the expansion.
5) the talent trees have been redone, so all talents are refunded.
6) finally, a nicely done LFG window that replaces the LFG channel.
The majority of the new features are for the 55+ that buy the expansion:
7) A full new continent called the Outlands with lots of new quests, mobs and instances. And lots of new loot.
8) Level 60s can now advance to 70 by fighting and questing, but only in the Outlands.
9) All the professions can now progress to 375 skill with lots of new recipes, most of which use new ingredients found only in the Outlands.
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Now for the bad news: mods have been heavily restricted in functionality so that many will now be useless and most will need to be revised. If you are 55+ you will be left in the dust if you don't buy the expansion.
Summary: The only two things that aren't 'more of the same stuff' are jewelcrafting and the LFG window. When I think of all the different things that they could have added, like player housing, I end up wondering how long it will take for the 'newness' to wear off and be back to the same old grind? After trying it out, I've concluded that it will take less than a month and that my money will be better spent elsewhere.
Originally posted by Ohls Why do you feel that you have to let the world know you are leaving? I never understood this. You really think people will care ?
This is not a personal aggression against you. I just dont see why people have to announce that they are quitting.
QFT, no one cares! Or if you have to post, post on your guild/server forums!!!
Originally posted by Bent In General - Doing something that does not increase your value in life. Either how much you make, or how much you are worth (both money-wise, and what they say at your funeral-wise).
My only point was a person stated they were leaving the game and was questioned "why" they deleted their chars, because that effectively destroys what they have achieved. The point I was trying to make was, "why is that player being questioned?" he likely understands he'll achieve more without WoW.
I know that isn't a real specific def. Everyone does wastes time by that definition too. My second point was to suggest gaming is more addictive then many other distractions.
I guess the overall is why question the reasons someone that decided to leave, choose to delete their chars. They must have come to the conclusion that they would gain more by deleting them then leaving them. Likely in an effort to fight the urge to come back. Now if you are going to waste 20 hours a week. Or use 20 hours a week as you time or relaxing time that is fine. If youre not going to get evicted or starve as a result you have no real reason to feel bad. And everyone does need time to debunk. However, MMOs have that addictive kick. And it is easy to see that 20hr/week grow. So let us look at this real quick. If you were doing fine having 20 hours to play/relax a week and you are suddenly at 30 what happened? Did you suddenly need more you time? I doubt it, you just wasting an extra 10 hours a week because and addiction grew. jimmyman99 I used your post because you are the person that questioned him. You are welcome to hold value into a game. I was just trying to explain the conclusion the OP likely came to. That their time was better spent elsewhere, and that WoW is addicting so anything that can help fight that is to their benefit. I was just surprised it was questioned, so tried to example the likely why in a number of different ways. It amounts to a drug user that is trying to quit getting rid of his needles and being asked why did he do that, If you ever wanted to start using drugs again . That is an extreme example of course. So exactly how much Civ you played is irrelevant. 50 hours is still ~$500 that could be made, or a text book that could have been read. And last I checked when someone hands you $500 it is a lot and if someone says they read an entire text book from front-to-back that seems like a lot too. Most people that quit or reduce their gaming do so because they find there is other more valuable ways they need to, or could be spending their time. Kids, spouse, boy/girlfriend, employment, etc. OR they find that on their new schd, the schd that allows them to live without getting devoiced, charged with child neglect, or evicted they cant play more then maybe 0-10 hours a week which isnt enough to sate them but frustrates more then anything. So it is easier to quit gaming all together then to try to hang on to it. Sure there, are other people out that they make >100k a year from investments and likely play WoW too. It is still "wasting time" but they dicided they have time to spare. But even these people could still suffer family trouble if they gamed 40+ hours each week.
You have a rather cynical and material point of view on life. Anything you do has to have direct and material benefit, right? In this case, any type of recreation or anything that does not earn money or put something solid in your pocket/table is "waste of time"? Is that what you mean by "value in life"? Thats a lot of things, fiction, movies, music (unless u r selling it) etc.
Regarding questioning, why people ask why? its becuase they dont know or dont understand. I dont understand why someone would delete his characters in a game he/she played and enjoyed, if he would not enjoy, hed be level 1 or 2. If hes anywhere above level 5-10, im guessing he enjoyed the game. So if someone does something that is enjoyable, even if for a time, then why discard that afterward? I dont delete chars in a game. Why? They dont ask food or cost me. To fight temptation to come back? Well, if the game is a waste of time, then it shouldnt provide much temptation at all. And why are you posting here at all, you arent getting paid to post, are ya? so it must be waste of time, right? Nothing personal man, im just trying to understand. You post here to share your opinions or ideas, and that invites others to share their opinions and ideas. When someone asks another person something regarding their post, usualy it means that people had different views on that subject and would like for the other person to explain in more details their opinion.
I understand a bit more clearly now why OP deleted his chars, he seems to be addicted or is afraid getting addeicted to a game and wants to take no chances in returning to that game. I personaly never been addicted to a game (why do u keep bringing up Civ4 hours? I left civ4 on for 4 days in a row becuase i had no time to play it and had no reason to exit to desktop from it. There were no 50hours a week or 500$ lost becuase of it) so it was a bit strange why anyone would delete his characters, even with the reasons OP provided, its still a bit strange IMO. But people are different, their opinions and methods are different. Your methods and conclusions are different and puzzle me, thats why I was asking questions and comparing to my opinion and my methods. Doesnt mean I think Im right and u r wrong, just think differently. As they say, I agree to disagree, heh.
Originally posted by Aguitha Been playing on/off since launch but yesterday i decided that i was quitting wow for good this time. After quitting and coming back a few times since launch, this time i make sure it was the last time. I just delete all my characters (Over 30 characters of various levels, including 4 level 60). Bye WOW it was a fun ride.
Who cares? ...
We don't care, MMORPG.com staff doesn't care, Blizzard doesn't care.
C-ya!! You probably shouldn't have deleted your characters just in case you want to come back. I've heard a bunch of people leave and come back. I'm still enjoying the ride for now but I've got my eye on some upcoming releases.
Originally posted by jopy I'm with Bent on this one.
Anything in a game/mmorpg is frankly just pixelised 1s and 0s and is absolutely not quantifiable to an accomplishment whatsoever.
speak for yourself. I work in the game industry as a result of all those hours I 'wasted' at the computer. How do you think Game Designers start out? The best designer I know played to cap in many MMOs. How do you think beta testers start out? I got a guy sitting right beside me started out that way. Now hes a programmer too
Most gamers start out as gamers that get gripped by their moms for wasting time. Now that they are making a good salary I bet Mom is calling them asking for $$$ . Realize Games industry pulls in more money a year than the movie industry. edit- lol if you're wondering if my Mom supported me the anwser is yes she's bought me computers and consoles since I was a little kid
So yeah, games can be a 'waste of time' it just depends on how you apply yourself. If you just sit there and goof all day then yeah thats a waste. but on the same token, u could be just sitting there getting fat and drinking beer or riding around with friends robbing banks and killing people. Games can be good. Games can be bad. Just like food, just like wine, just like all things in life. The key is: Balance
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Funny you say that, I was actually considering checking out BC but the more I see the craptacular priest talents and spells the more I doubt I will. They are just making it so healing sucks and they want all priests to be shadow spec.
EQ2 has a much better healing set of classes, I just wish WoW would steal some of their ideas.
http://www.greycouncil.org/
Seems like the only way to quit is to never subscribe. The moment you get back on, the GMs seem willing to do whatever it takes to keep you on. The blizzard folks are pretty smart when it comes to making money.
The game is still fun if you have some time to kill. I play EvE mainly, but it's nice to be able to log onto wow and do a few BGs after some intense pvp in EvE. Good old mindless fun ftw!
I'm never going back to the old days of 6 hour raids or 12 hour honor grinds that I use to do.
But WoW is still a fun game, so long as I don't overplay it.
In General - Doing something that does not increase your
value in life. Either how much you make, or how much you are worth (both
money-wise, and what they say at your funeral-wise).
My only point was a person stated they were leaving the game and was questioned
"why" they deleted their chars, because that effectively destroys
what they have achieved. The point I was trying to make was, "why is
that player being questioned?" he likely understands he'll achieve more
without WoW.
I know that isn't a real specific def. Everyone does wastes time by that
definition too. My second point was to suggest gaming is more addictive
then many other distractions.
I guess the overall is why question the reasons someone that decided to leave,
choose to delete their chars. They must have come to the conclusion that
they would gain more by deleting them then leaving them. Likely in an
effort to fight the urge to come back.
Now if you are going to waste 20 hours a week. Or use 20 hours a week as you time or relaxing
time that is fine. If youre not going
to get evicted or starve as a result you have no real reason to feel bad. And everyone does need time to debunk. However, MMOs have that addictive kick. And it is easy to see that 20hr/week grow. So let us look at this real quick. If you were doing fine having 20 hours to
play/relax a week and you are suddenly at 30 what happened? Did you suddenly need more you time? I doubt it, you just wasting an extra 10
hours a week because and addiction grew.
jimmyman99 I used your post because you are the person that
questioned him. You are welcome to hold
value into a game. I was just trying to
explain the conclusion the OP likely came to. That their time was better spent elsewhere,
and that WoW is addicting so anything that can help fight that is to their benefit.
I was just surprised it was questioned,
so tried to example the likely why in a number of different ways. It amounts to a drug user that is trying to
quit getting rid of his needles and being asked why did he do that, If you
ever wanted to start using drugs again .
That is an extreme example of course. So exactly
how much Civ you played is irrelevant.
50 hours is still ~$500 that could be made, or a text book that could
have been read. And last I checked when
someone hands you $500 it is a lot and if someone says they read an entire
text book from front-to-back that seems like a lot too.
Most people that quit or reduce their gaming do so because
they find there is other more valuable ways they need to, or could be
spending their time. Kids, spouse,
boy/girlfriend, employment, etc. OR they
find that on their new schd, the schd that allows them to live without
getting devoiced, charged with child neglect, or evicted they cant play more
then maybe 0-10 hours a week which isnt enough to sate them but frustrates
more then anything. So it is easier to
quit gaming all together then to try to hang on to it. Sure there, are other people out that they make >100k a year from investments and likely play WoW too. It is still "wasting time" but they dicided they have time to spare. But even these people could still suffer family trouble if they gamed 40+ hours each week.
Anything in a game/mmorpg is frankly just pixelised 1s and 0s and is absolutely not quantifiable to an accomplishment whatsoever.
It's fine if you would like to feel like you've accomplished anything but sadly you're just in a state of self-delusion.
It would be closer to the truth to acknowledge that you spend copious amounts of time "entertaining" yourself.
I spent 2 years of my life on that game.. 172 /played days on my
character and what do I have to show for those 2
years? A decked out character and a realization that
I've just spent 2 years getting very little sex from my wife.
I keep my character... no sellin for me. This way I have
something to show for that 2 year hole in my life... that and the 35
extra pounds on me.
Not true , I quit and deleted my one toon a grand marshaL rogue. I played for about a year and a half
Well about a month after i quit i get a closed beta key for Burning Crusade , dont ask me why as i dont have an active account, or even any toons in that game. But any ways i have no desire to use that key or ever play WoW again. As far as am concerned Burning Crusader is the same shit different pile LoL
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Players quit WoW because its quite "empty" after level 60.
Best PvP atm still in DAoC. DAoC starts after lvl50.
9Dragons looks very promising i am in CB atm.
Waitin release of Age of Conan. Sounds very promising PvP game. Maybe i can atlast forget DAoCand move to something new for change.
And i am happy that big % from WoW players cant play AoC because its not for under 18 years old.
have a rather cynical and material point of view on life. Anything you
do has to have direct and material benefit, right? In this case, any
type of recreation or anything that does not earn money or put
something solid in your pocket/table is "waste of time"? Is that what
you mean by "value in life"? Thats a lot of things, fiction, movies,
music (unless u r selling it) etc.
Regarding questioning, why people ask why? its becuase they dont know
or dont understand. I dont understand why someone would delete his
characters in a game he/she played and enjoyed, if he would not enjoy,
hed be level 1 or 2. If hes anywhere above level 5-10, im guessing he
enjoyed the game. So if someone does something that is enjoyable, even
if for a time, then why discard that afterward? I dont delete chars in
a game. Why? They dont ask food or cost me. To fight temptation to come
back? Well, if the game is a waste of time, then it shouldnt provide
much temptation at all. And why are you posting here at all, you arent
getting paid to post, are ya? so it must be waste of time, right?
Nothing personal man, im just trying to understand. You post here to
share your opinions or ideas, and that invites others to share their
opinions and ideas. When someone asks another person something
regarding their post, usualy it means that people had different views
on that subject and would like for the other person to explain in more
details their opinion.
I understand a bit more clearly now why OP deleted his chars, he seems
to be addicted or is afraid getting addeicted to a game and wants to
take no chances in returning to that game. I personaly never been
addicted to a game (why do u keep bringing up Civ4 hours? I left civ4
on for 4 days in a row becuase i had no time to play it and had no
reason to exit to desktop from it. There were no 50hours a week or 500$
lost becuase of it) so it was a bit strange why anyone would delete his
characters, even with the reasons OP provided, its still a bit strange
IMO. But people are different, their opinions and methods are
different. Your methods and conclusions are different and puzzle me,
thats why I was asking questions and comparing to my opinion and my
methods. Doesnt mean I think Im right and u r wrong, just think
differently. As they say, I agree to disagree, heh.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
We don't care, MMORPG.com staff doesn't care, Blizzard doesn't care.
That's right. Noone cares.
I care. See you in Vanguard.
http://www.greycouncil.org/
speak for yourself. I work in the game industry as a result of all those hours I 'wasted' at the computer. How do you think Game Designers start out? The best designer I know played to cap in many MMOs. How do you think beta testers start out? I got a guy sitting right beside me started out that way. Now hes a programmer too
Most gamers start out as gamers that get gripped by their moms for wasting time. Now that they are making a good salary I bet Mom is calling them asking for $$$ . Realize Games industry pulls in more money a year than the movie industry. edit- lol if you're wondering if my Mom supported me the anwser is yes she's bought me computers and consoles since I was a little kid
So yeah, games can be a 'waste of time' it just depends on how you apply yourself. If you just sit there and goof all day then yeah thats a waste. but on the same token, u could be just sitting there getting fat and drinking beer or riding around with friends robbing banks and killing people. Games can be good. Games can be bad. Just like food, just like wine, just like all things in life. The key is: Balance