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I liked this topic from the SOE boards.. "Lack of immersion"
iskareot
Member Posts: 2,143
Here is what the second poster put...
Now what is funny is that this is not UNTRUE... in fact everything he said is just a fact.
See and here is the catch, he is being serious... he is not a flamer, he is not doing this because he wants the NGE to fail.
He is just telling it like it is and you have to respect that....although ONCE you see this you wonder why people pay for this.
From Poster:
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Comments
Hope floats.
How come some people still keep going at same things over and over is amazing.
Traders are gone.
Economy is gone.
Loot is ok.
Whaaa, EQ, whaa
GCW is fine.
You may not like the game, and you may thing some things are wrong.
But complaining about the lack economy in Quake, or lack of combat in Hello Kitty Online is stupid.
NGE is a new game. Economy is a token number, which will never bring you in trouble for running out of money. In addition, player based economy means, everything is worth exactly what someone will pay for it, and not a penny more.
Traders are there to keep crafters subscribed. They will not be enhances, they will not be given a bigger role. You don't need crafters in action games.
GCW: It works for WoW. Enough said.
Other games get expansions, SWG doesn't. Yes. SWG is a dead game. Is it that hard to understand that Windows 3.1 is not getting updates anymore either?
It comes down to this: If SWG did all the NGE concepts well, it would be a good game. Nothing even remotely like pre-cu, but it would be a good. game. As always, it's a poor game, because it can't do even the basics right. And then, there's nothing else left.
SWG. Is. Dead. Seriously. How come some still can't get even a slightest hint of that.
Reminds me of a post I seen in the forums about 2 years ago. Nicely done. Bring it on down now.
Damn byotch dat aint no friggn moon fool, dat be a friggn space station byotch.
Stick a fork in it because it's done!
I sleep with a pillow under my gun.
The problems are mentioned here in various posts.
1: There are loads of things to do, just very little that has to do with NGE or isn't in a partially disabled state. So much of the old game remains and even a super noob is going to ask what these things are relative to as they are no longer functioning in game. The Imperial badge gave me items with intimidation stats on them. This after a year?
2: Many people say PreCU was no gem, not perfect. This is true, I know because many of the things that annoyed me in PreCU are still in the game. It's all the things I liked about it that are gone. NGE had fuck all to do with keeping a player base happy. It was done to satisfy SOE and thier inadequacies. They hoped we would swallow it. Most didn't and they know they are left with a broken system half way between here and there.
3: The game is toast. SOE won't fix it, won't turn back the clock and won't give it to someone who will. Simple things like a salvage option to get stat points from loots or a salvage and ground level reverse engineering system could bring back crafting. Finish ALL the proffs, the sith reward for Jedi is still not launching a quest. The shipping order doesn't launch any quests, most of the keys aren't developed. They just don't give a shit, yet we are supposed to? I don't.
No doubt but I'm suprised to see you actually not defend the NGE?
Thank goodness that game two years ago had better core game play ability and a player base to show for it let alone better reports then the NGE or other wise it would be bad.
I mean gosh, if we did not have over 300k players then I would agree but at the same time.. if compared to the NGE it was 100 times better... so at least we know that based on success and population.
What happen you get hit on the head or somthing????
(This guy is telling the truth about how bad the game is NOW and whats worse is that it's true plain and simple.)
Unless of course your somehow trying to do it in some goofy way.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
No reason to be surprised you have never asked what my thoughts are on the game anyways. I only tell it like it is. Bring it on down now.
Damn byotch dat aint no friggn moon fool, dat be a friggn space station byotch.
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Don't click here...no2
I always took you as a NGE fanboi not to mention someone that trusted and believed what the Devs said and did.
I also thought you did support the current game.
Seeing the NGErs turn is kinda odd I admit.
However we know what it is like now, I had the chance to play for 21 days.... I played 3 times... each time it was so bugged and stupid that I made videos and sent them to Mr. Smedley and SOE --- explaining in detail each thing wrong... I had over 20.
From being stuck in Aggro for no reason for 10 mins... To the issue of animations and how bad we looked.
Im done.... I tried so much to help this get better but the people in charge of this product need to go first.
But that is so far gone, from what info I have this product is done after this last version of a box...
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
I always took you as a NGE fanboi not to mention someone that trusted and believed what the Devs said and did.
I also thought you did support the current game.
Seeing the NGErs turn is kinda odd I admit.
However we know what it is like now, I had the chance to play for 21 days.... I played 3 times... each time it was so bugged and stupid that I made videos and sent them to Mr. Smedley and SOE --- explaining in detail each thing wrong... I had over 20.
From being stuck in Aggro for no reason for 10 mins... To the issue of animations and how bad we looked.
Im done.... I tried so much to help this get better but the people in charge of this product need to go first.
But that is so far gone, from what info I have this product is done after this last version of a box...
I was never a fan of the NGE, in fact when I left for a few months working in the Middle East I left playing the Pre-CU game and came back to the NGE. I have played this game since day one; to be honest I am neither a fan of the NGE nor the Pre-CU. When I look at the forum for NGE players, in truth it is filled with Biased BS, but then again when I look here and I read through threads about the Pro Pre-CU they to are filled with biased BS, in all honesty there is no difference between this forum and the other one, the only real difference is what they both spin. Both systems are different to a degree, but still similar in many areas, nonetheless they both have just as many problems and are as broken as each other and neither the Pre-CU nor the NGE were and is getting any better.
To be honest with you the Ironic thing out of all of this is how similar the fans of the NGE are in relation to the fans of the Pre-CU system. I know it may irritate some people to see me say that, but the truth is that fans of the Pre-CU liked the game, but the other hundreds of thousands of players who quite did not like the system, they left the game, in fact your feelings today for the NGE and the players who play it, is the exact same feeling all these other players had about you and others like you who loved and enjoyed playing the Pre-CU. In a way, the NGE fan is what you were during the Pre-CU, and the former players during the Pre-CU were like you right now who hate the NGE and do not understand why anyone would play it, those feelings are the exact same feelings and understanding that all these players had about you, when you played the Pre-CU.
I look at things as they are, I am very unbiased, I have always looked at the big picture and have always had a firm understanding of how things work as I do have a firm understanding of human nature. My feelings on this game and on SOE would be disliked by many people here in this forum and in the other, which is why I keep my true opinion and feelings of the game to myself. But then again, who really cares. Bring it on down now.
Damn byotch dat aint no friggn moon fool, dat be a friggn space station byotch.
Look at this big picture. During the Pre-CU time, there were pleanty of simple/limited games out there for the current NGE folks to pick from. Now that we've got the NGE, how many comparible games do we have to even consider? Also, the NGE folks didn't have thier game removed without any concern to be replaced with the other version.
What ever floats your boat. Bring it on down now.
Damn byotch dat aint no friggn moon fool, dat be a friggn space station byotch.
There is some truth to this, however, it omits one critical difference between those that disliked the pre-CU and those that disliked the NGE. The folks that quit because they didn't like the pre-CU, didn't play a system for 2 years and then have it radically changed to their detriment. They essentially played the game for a short time, didn't like it, and left. I am certain they were dissappointed that it wasn't the Star Wars MMO of their dreams, but that's quite different than having invested literally years into the game to have your work thrown out overnight.
Had SOE launched with the NGE style system I am sure I would have played for a short time and quit, because of the way it makes a mockery out of the Star Wars movies, but that a risk you take with any MMO.
Its the element of changing the rules two years into the game that makes the NGE different.
That being said, I wish the players that like the NGE well. Its not their fault that SOE messed up (from my perspective) the game. But we all make mistakes, and its about time we all forgive SOE and move on.
Crap I talked to people and knew some that were mad it was to hard to get Jedi and leave....
So yeah, sure there were people that did not want to put the effort in to get the goods, this seems to be the common reason.
"It was to hard" also translated into: "It took to long or to much effort"... to get what you want.
I DO NOT dissagree with this... it was not easy at times to get somthing good back then, BUT that was the great thing about it.
I think we went from Hardcore to Legoland to fast... pretty much the challenge for alot of people went backwards and it shows.. Hence why new people can play the game easier vs the Vets that liked the challenge.
The new player does not know what hard is, so thier experience is simple.
But see it stops there... BECAUSE then you have all the mech issues on top of this... so it can be a new and easy game for people BUT you still cannot escape all the bugs and broken shit.
It really is a coding train wreck if you think about it. I really think that Raph (The creator) saw this spiral and said "Im outa here"... lol He seems to be the smartest guy from that team lol.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Starwars Galaxies, An Empier Diveded, That's what it says on my box anyway.
I always took you as a NGE fanboi not to mention someone that trusted and believed what the Devs said and did.
I also thought you did support the current game.
Seeing the NGErs turn is kinda odd I admit.
However we know what it is like now, I had the chance to play for 21 days.... I played 3 times... each time it was so bugged and stupid that I made videos and sent them to Mr. Smedley and SOE --- explaining in detail each thing wrong... I had over 20.
From being stuck in Aggro for no reason for 10 mins... To the issue of animations and how bad we looked.
Im done.... I tried so much to help this get better but the people in charge of this product need to go first.
But that is so far gone, from what info I have this product is done after this last version of a box...
I was never a fan of the NGE, in fact when I left for a few months working in the Middle East I left playing the Pre-CU game and came back to the NGE. I have played this game since day one; to be honest I am neither a fan of the NGE nor the Pre-CU. When I look at the forum for NGE players, in truth it is filled with Biased BS, but then again when I look here and I read through threads about the Pro Pre-CU they to are filled with biased BS, in all honesty there is no difference between this forum and the other one, the only real difference is what they both spin. Both systems are different to a degree, but still similar in many areas, nonetheless they both have just as many problems and are as broken as each other and neither the Pre-CU nor the NGE were and is getting any better.
To be honest with you the Ironic thing out of all of this is how similar the fans of the NGE are in relation to the fans of the Pre-CU system. I know it may irritate some people to see me say that, but the truth is that fans of the Pre-CU liked the game, but the other hundreds of thousands of players who quite did not like the system, they left the game, in fact your feelings today for the NGE and the players who play it, is the exact same feeling all these other players had about you and others like you who loved and enjoyed playing the Pre-CU. In a way, the NGE fan is what you were during the Pre-CU, and the former players during the Pre-CU were like you right now who hate the NGE and do not understand why anyone would play it, those feelings are the exact same feelings and understanding that all these players had about you, when you played the Pre-CU.
I look at things as they are, I am very unbiased, I have always looked at the big picture and have always had a firm understanding of how things work as I do have a firm understanding of human nature. My feelings on this game and on SOE would be disliked by many people here in this forum and in the other, which is why I keep my true opinion and feelings of the game to myself. But then again, who really cares. Bring it on down now.
Blazin, I have to say this. THis is the first post by you that seems very serious and well thought out, though I do not agree with all of it, I must say there is much truth in your words. To honor this, I will BRING IT ON DOWN NOW and also THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
There's free love on the Freelove Freeway.
It was because of the hope and promises, remember WE HAD NOT BEEN LIED TO YET at this time. We trusted them to make good on thier words and fixes... we had no idea what was being done behind our backs while being told somthing else.
This was a huge factor, I mean I know several old Jedi Knights that stayed in the game during the CU waiting for the FRS and Knight trials to come back again... We see how they lied about that, also changing the system when the NGE hit more or less ruining Jedi and everything about it being special to gain customers.
Bottom line is that we had people willing and paying them to do what they said they would.... they lied and failed.. but not only that, during those times they made changes that ruined things for all of us or most.
All effort became a waste and pointless and then they took out the challenge, making it easy so that my 7 year old could make Jedi .... that alone was enough to know how bad it was going to get.
I mean think about it..... you click on a picture of "Luke" ---- no kidding...say it a few times and it just sounds bad really.
But like I said... The big difference is that the NGE playerbase is much much more less complex then the pre-CU playerbase, we all know this. What SOE lacked to think about is what was more of a percentage in numbers...
Obviously the complex playerbase due to the loss in numbers for the NGE.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
YOU SIR ARE RIGHT! however, the NGE system, is what they're working on now, after having three years of experience with this game and its audiances, it should be improving, even if it doesn't gain new members and slowly loses them (like each and every MMO, save possibly EvE or maybe UO) it should be homing in on some of the issues that are still with them from the start, THAT is where it all falls apart and SoE goes sour.
you can compare and contrast the two systems and their population all you want my friend, but all that is is marketing. you can compare them in terms of bugs, exploits and etc etc blah blah, but that's just comparing programmers.
you have to see what SoE has done over the entierty of this project, and look at what they HAVN'T done aftere accumulating the experience of a gamer community. or mabye they never have.
It was because of the hope and promises, remember at this time WE HAD NOT BEEN LIED TO YET. We trusted them to make good on thier words and fixes... we had no idea what was being done behind our backs while being told somthing else.
This was a huge factor, I mean I know several old Jedi Knights that stayed in the game during the CU waiting for the FRS and Knight trials to come back again... We see how they lied about that, also changing the system when the NGE hit more or less ruining Jedi and everything about it being special to gain customers.
Bottom line is that we had people willing and paying them to do what they said they would.... they lied and failed.. but not only that, during those times they made changes that ruined things for all of us or most.
All effort became a waste and pointless and then they took out the challenge, making it easy so that my 7 year old could make Jedi .... that alone was enough to know how bad it was going to get.
I mean think about it..... you click on a picture of "Luke" ---- no kidding...say it a few times and it just sounds bad really.
But like I said... The big difference is that the NGE playerbase is much much more less complex then the pre-CU playerbase, we all know this. What SOE lacked to think about is what was more of a percentage in numbers...
Obviously the complex playerbase due to the loss in numbers for the NGE.
Not been lied to yet? Are you kidding me Isk?
Maybe the Jedi population had blinders on to what was happening around them, but the Smuggler community could lay out pages of lies, in quotes by the Devs themselves, by the time the CU hit, as I'm sure many other professions could. It was almost commical to sit back and watch the community take it hook line and sinker with the promises of fixes, return of FRS and such. I remember Smugglers warning folks not to belive a word Dev's said, to look at our situation as an example. All we got in return was giant "STFU" from the community. We knew it was a wasted effort at that point, we didn't need to wait for the "click your profession" buttons to come along.
Folks wanted change, but nothing like we saw in either the CU or the NGE. I would argue about complexity, SWG was never that complex to begin with. Grinding doesn equate to complexity. What it lost in the NGE, even in the CU, was diversity. Thats what I miss the most.
"If we don't attack them, they will attack us first. So we'd better retaliate before they have a chance to strike"
Rebel Col. Moshi Manawitz-Master Commando/Master Smuggler/Master Pilot-Pre NGE Vet.-Server:Chilistra-
RIP April 04-Jan 06
It was because of the hope and promises, remember at this time WE HAD NOT BEEN LIED TO YET. We trusted them to make good on thier words and fixes... we had no idea what was being done behind our backs while being told somthing else.
This was a huge factor, I mean I know several old Jedi Knights that stayed in the game during the CU waiting for the FRS and Knight trials to come back again... We see how they lied about that, also changing the system when the NGE hit more or less ruining Jedi and everything about it being special to gain customers.
Bottom line is that we had people willing and paying them to do what they said they would.... they lied and failed.. but not only that, during those times they made changes that ruined things for all of us or most.
All effort became a waste and pointless and then they took out the challenge, making it easy so that my 7 year old could make Jedi .... that alone was enough to know how bad it was going to get.
I mean think about it..... you click on a picture of "Luke" ---- no kidding...say it a few times and it just sounds bad really.
But like I said... The big difference is that the NGE playerbase is much much more less complex then the pre-CU playerbase, we all know this. What SOE lacked to think about is what was more of a percentage in numbers...
Obviously the complex playerbase due to the loss in numbers for the NGE.
Not been lied to yet? Are you kidding me Isk?
Maybe the Jedi population had blinders on to what was happening around them, but the Smuggler community could lay out pages of lies, in quotes by the Devs themselves, by the time the CU hit, as I'm sure many other professions could. It was almost commical to sit back and watch the community take it hook line and sinker with the promises of fixes, return of FRS and such. I remember Smugglers warning folks not to belive a word Dev's said, to look at our situation as an example. All we got in return was giant "STFU" from the community. We knew it was a wasted effort at that point, we didn't need to wait for the "click your profession" buttons to come along.
Folks wanted change, but nothing like we saw in either the CU or the NGE. I would argue about complexity, SWG was never that complex to begin with. Grinding doesn equate to complexity. What it lost in the NGE, even in the CU, was diversity. Thats what I miss the most.
I meant in masses... We had alot of "Promises" perse from beta and on... Smuggler was always a work in progress... crap man, in the first week don't forget that it's 4th tree was freaking Artisan and Merchant --lol it was silly.
Like I said this was more so from the start.... we had alot more promise in the first 3 months (But this is normal I think)
We were still in aww about the game and trying to get by... people trusted the Devs, I did... and I regret it.. But most of those people are gone now... the changes took thier toll and like I said over time we woke up to this "missleading" your customer crap.
Trust me about the FRS part though... I was at the Fan Fest as two Devs bold face lied to us all at a table.. NOT to mention then allow them to set us up in the forums as well.
(We were all lied to in the end though), I cant even count how many but it has to be about 100 or so.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
My biggest disappointment out of all of this is not SOE, nor is it the Pre-CU or the CU or NGE. Nor is it the players, my biggest disappointment out of all of this are Raph Koster. Bring it on down now.
Damn byotch dat aint no friggn moon fool, dat be a friggn space station byotch.
I sleep with a pillow under my gun.
Lol how messed up is that one..lol
Buy stuff with faction points...
Although rank and title are now hosed, But I did make Knight captain etc.. BUT other then that it's funny how things end up.
What I like is that we really did have a great game in concept if all the promises could have been made... Raph did not let us down on his own... He tried to get done what he could, but I think SOE and LEC got involved on the creative side of this sadly.
We may never know all the details, but you know it's bad when the maker leaves the company... that alone says so much.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1