The reports I've read from beta-testers have all been really bad. I think Vanguard is going to tank harder than SWG based on those.
However, even if it was a success, Vanguard will never be as successful as WoW. If Vanguard can attract and keep a playerbase of 100K, then I think this will be a success given the very exclusive hardcore game design.
hmmm....you've read reports from beta testers......who broke the NDA? If this is so, how can you "trust" what they say when it is clear they can not be trusted?
The reports I've read from beta-testers have all been really bad. I think Vanguard is going to tank harder than SWG based on those.
However, even if it was a success, Vanguard will never be as successful as WoW. If Vanguard can attract and keep a playerbase of 100K, then I think this will be a success given the very exclusive hardcore game design.
hmmm....you've read reports from beta testers......who broke the NDA? If this is so, how can you "trust" what they say when it is clear they can not be trusted?
Again....Don't trust ANYONE. Fanboys, Haters or people who have beta'd the product...NDA breakers or not.
If there is a free trial then try the game and make up your own mind. If there is'nt a free trial then wait till there is one. If there is never a free trial then the developers don't have enough confidence in their own product and you can let this game slide.
Never be afraid of choices. More choices are always good things.
The reports I've read from beta-testers have all been really bad. I think Vanguard is going to tank harder than SWG based on those.
However, even if it was a success, Vanguard will never be as successful as WoW. If Vanguard can attract and keep a playerbase of 100K, then I think this will be a success given the very exclusive hardcore game design.
You mean the reports from the NDA breakers, some of which have been proven to have been made up? So the few few NDA Breakers out-weigh the thousands of testers that haven't broken their NDA's? There are quite a few Beta Reviews out there on MANY sites that completely disagree with them, quite a few more then Bad "Leaks" out there, but haters don't seem to count those. The game is in BETA, of course there will be issues with it...
Vanguard will have 500k to 1 mil in subs, but won't kill WoW. Now AoC may be a WoW killer, that is if they can pull it off...
Will you promise to eat this post if you are wrong?
I can't reveal my sources like you, so I can't support my position. However, I can tell you that it is stronger than you might think.
Also, don't trust "beta reviews" for betas that are under NDA. They had to be granted permission to break the NDA and that wouldn't happen if the information did not remain controlled either through the selection of the "reporters" or requests to not talk about areas of the game that are still under construction and/or aren't working.
100K subscribers is pretty healthy. Don't assume that this is a bad estimate. I think Vanguard will really appeal to extremely hardcore gamers and there are quite a few of them out there. I don't know that there are 100K of them, but then again, I don't know if there are 200K. What will kill it even for hardcore gamers is if the execution of the game is poor and/or the visuals are not competitive (this includes battle animations). Also, the game needs to be stable and fun.
Anyway, I suggest to you that it is in your best interest to spend $5 for the pre-order beta code in order to get a chance to play the game before making your final purchase decision.
I'm not wrong. I'm absolutly sure about the NDA Breakers.
As far as the Beta Reviews, many cover concernc of players as well. The only thing they are not allowed to talk about are the specific systems under development. They aren't told what to say, and aren't picked because they are Fanbois. Are they biased? Sure they are, but they aren't so unbalanced as to become senseless hate-post like those who violated the NDA.
I'll be the first one to say I have concerns about Vanguard, as every potential player should. But that doesn't mean we should blindly believe "facts" from those who hate a game.
The reason I feel this game will have 500k to 1mil Subs is that this game will pull a good amount of WoW'ers, EQ'ers & EQ2'ers. This is the game many of them have been waiting to play.
As far as playing before playing, I agree. It never hurts if you can. But if you can't, don't write the game off.
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
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Again....Don't trust ANYONE. Fanboys, Haters or people who have beta'd the product...NDA breakers or not.
If there is a free trial then try the game and make up your own mind. If there is'nt a free trial then wait till there is one. If there is never a free trial then the developers don't have enough confidence in their own product and you can let this game slide.
Never be afraid of choices. More choices are always good things.
You mean the reports from the NDA breakers, some of which have been proven to have been made up? So the few few NDA Breakers out-weigh the thousands of testers that haven't broken their NDA's? There are quite a few Beta Reviews out there on MANY sites that completely disagree with them, quite a few more then Bad "Leaks" out there, but haters don't seem to count those. The game is in BETA, of course there will be issues with it...
Vanguard will have 500k to 1 mil in subs, but won't kill WoW. Now AoC may be a WoW killer, that is if they can pull it off...
Will you promise to eat this post if you are wrong?
I can't reveal my sources like you, so I can't support my position. However, I can tell you that it is stronger than you might think.
Also, don't trust "beta reviews" for betas that are under NDA. They had to be granted permission to break the NDA and that wouldn't happen if the information did not remain controlled either through the selection of the "reporters" or requests to not talk about areas of the game that are still under construction and/or aren't working.
100K subscribers is pretty healthy. Don't assume that this is a bad estimate. I think Vanguard will really appeal to extremely hardcore gamers and there are quite a few of them out there. I don't know that there are 100K of them, but then again, I don't know if there are 200K. What will kill it even for hardcore gamers is if the execution of the game is poor and/or the visuals are not competitive (this includes battle animations). Also, the game needs to be stable and fun.
Anyway, I suggest to you that it is in your best interest to spend $5 for the pre-order beta code in order to get a chance to play the game before making your final purchase decision.
I'm not wrong. I'm absolutly sure about the NDA Breakers.
As far as the Beta Reviews, many cover concernc of players as well. The only thing they are not allowed to talk about are the specific systems under development. They aren't told what to say, and aren't picked because they are Fanbois. Are they biased? Sure they are, but they aren't so unbalanced as to become senseless hate-post like those who violated the NDA.
I'll be the first one to say I have concerns about Vanguard, as every potential player should. But that doesn't mean we should blindly believe "facts" from those who hate a game.
The reason I feel this game will have 500k to 1mil Subs is that this game will pull a good amount of WoW'ers, EQ'ers & EQ2'ers. This is the game many of them have been waiting to play.
As far as playing before playing, I agree. It never hurts if you can. But if you can't, don't write the game off.
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!