Originally posted by ManInTheBox "Unfortunatly, I can not make stickied topics on the official WoW forum, like the EVE devs, neither can I post on the main website, like the EVE devs."
You're not the only wow player and we can't sticky either. for loving wow so much i don't belive you have no account try again. And the only thing on the main website is back in the news somewhere which no one reads. and even if the entire eve active playerbase saw it more people would see a post on the wow main thread within a few hours than THE ENITRE ACTIVE POPULATION OF EVE.
Well obvious more people read it then you seem to think, as EVE even got nominated for best PVE. PVE! EVE! I have seen some of the most diehard EVE fans stating that EVE does not deserve the PVE Award. there are so many more games that deserve the PVE award then EVE. People will indeed see the thread, but there is nothing to reply on, just vote, and witht he activeness of the WoW forum the thread would fall to page 2 Very fast. you know, thats why it got stickied. and on a sidenote, I don't have an active WoW account, sorry.
"Its obvious you don't understand the problem. naturaly, your a biased EVE fanboi."
I undrstand your point completly. you believe that the only reason eve wins and wow doesn't is because our mods grabed someones post and made it a sticky. one again go make a wow post(you or someone else) and leave it there through the forums primetime if you feel so strongly that this is the case. if they care enough it will stay on the front page(once again as i've shown) and if not bump it a few times yourself instead of bitching here? Who knows wow mods might even sticky it like ours did?
Because your mods grabbed someone else's post, made it a sticky, and posted a news message on the main website while they are at it.
*edited to avoid eternal flame war*
"Enjoy your stay. welcome to mmorpg.com, where not everybody is an EVE fan who will praise CCP to heaven."
Which as i've stated i'm glad off. eve is not for everyone and i would not enjoy having everyone play eve
you keep saying the same thing over and over and i keep pointing out the obvious and repeating things i've said to you before. give it up already?
ONE LAST TIME just for you
"entire reason eve wins is because of sticky and the players know about it" go make your own post that's where ours came from. you can make it someone else can make it. if the players care it will stay on top if not bump it a few times. the mods might even give you a sticky of your own. go find out?
Bump my own thread? I'm a poster, not at attention whore.
Originally posted by two2litres theyre trying to determine the quality of mmorpgs, not determine which is more popular.
honestly im just worried ccp will cave-in and hunt profits instead of following thier dreams, ending up like so many other games on the market which are basically just clones of each other.
Oh, I wouldn't worry about that. Making a WoW clone means you have to compete with WoW. That's way more risky than staying the course, doing their own thing.
'Specially since that's working for them just fine.
Originally posted by Dundee Originally posted by two2litres theyre trying to determine the quality of mmorpgs, not determine which is more popular.
honestly im just worried ccp will cave-in and hunt profits instead of following thier dreams, ending up like so many other games on the market which are basically just clones of each other.
Oh, I wouldn't worry about that. Making a WoW clone means you have to compete with WoW. That's way more risky than staying the course, doing their own thing.
'Specially since that's working for them just fine.
Well obvious more people read it then you seem to think, as "EVE even got nominated for best PVE. PVE! EVE! I have seen some of the most diehard EVE fans stating that EVE does not deserve the PVE Award. there are so many more games that deserve the PVE award then EVE. People will indeed see the thread, but there is nothing to reply on, just vote, and witht he activeness of the WoW forum the thread would fall to page 2 Very fast. you know, thats why it got stickied. and on a sidenote."
"Anyone else not impressed with the LFG tool ? [Page: 1 . 2 . 3 . 4 . 5]
Druid changes are not in the patch. [Page: 1 . 2 . 3 . 4 . 5 . 6 . 7 . 8 . 9]
Things people care about do stay on the front page "
Once again two topics that people cared about enough to keep on the front page without bumping or sticky. once again not my fault it's people whining.
also before you say it again. yah sure it would fall because this thread is about the vote and it's sure not on the front page still.. what could people have to say about the wow vs eve thing on the wow forums? *looks at the now 11 page long thread* nope nothing to talk about here.
What you are about to say
"Point out un-important things ftw? You know just as well as I do that if I post it on the WoW forums, it would fall to the next page very quickly. Which happens ont he EVE forum as well..hence they had to sticky it "
was on the first page for a while before they noticed it and made it a sticky. in wow land that would be enough time for quite a few people to see it.
"Because your mods grabbed someone else's post, made it a sticky, and posted a news message on the main website while they are at it."
Because someone made the post
Go make one yourself.....if you won't/can't the door is open for someone to post about on the wow forums just like it was on the eve forums but no one will/does thus proving my point that they don't care as much blah blah blah you get the idea but it wont matter your just going to keep posting..atleast in a few mins i'll be able to coppy+paste instead of having to type. If you feel this strongly and don't have a wow account and fear no one will post about this because they don't know/care go make one post on the forums and stop bitching.
I don't know about what other players want, but I'm still looking for a MMORPG that gives me the enchant feeling of when i first started Ultima Online, and that was already on Tramel age. I've tried about everything i could get my hands on, all those games that came out after World of Warcraft or EVE, and only spent there my 30 days free, meaning, in my opinion, there is realy no good alternative available at the moment. Guild Wars was, and is, interesting but it didn't manage to adict me. There were some before WOW, but their servers got quite empty and the quality droped too much to be enjoyable anymore. The list of candidates is very narrow indeed, and personaly I don't understand why EVE is above some other options, I've tried it and was not impressed, but on the other hand this reflects the personal taste of those that vote here, and not of the majority of players.
Originally posted by azgarth I don't know about what other players want, but I'm still looking for a MMORPG that gives me the enchant feeling of when i first started Ultima Online, and that was already on Tramel age. I've tried about everything i could get my hands on, all those games that came out after World of Warcraft or EVE, and only spent there my 30 days free, meaning, in my opinion, there is realy no good alternative available at the moment. Guild Wars was, and is, interesting but it didn't manage to adict me. There were some before WOW, but their servers got quite empty and the quality droped too much to be enjoyable anymore. The list of candidates is very narrow indeed, and personaly I don't understand why EVE is above some other options, I've tried it and was not impressed, but on the other hand this reflects the personal taste of those that vote here, and not of the majority of players.
I've never felt the way i did about my first. i'm pretty badly addicted to eve atm but not nearly as bad as i was when i first popped in eq. i've found this pattern to hold true in many other areas of life as well. your first will always be something special.
Originally posted by Krzy5iu ArenaNet sold out, now GW is just a huge item grind.
Ah, but that billing model was a leap-of-faith risk from the git-go.
Eve has more subs than ever, and is still growing.
Making it more like WoW just wouldn't make it WoW. It'd gamble thier bigger-than-ever, and still growing subscriber-base on a longshot bet that they could turn Eve - of all things - into a better WoW than WoW (has to be better, 'cause everyone who wants to play WoW isn't sitting around waiting for something like WoW. They have WoW).
if ccp ever sold out like so many others i think it would break my heart. if anyone ever says "this could be like wow in space!1" somewhere on our forums i'm going to beat them to death with a trout
*edit*
4 a.m. and 12 pages later i retire to a smoke and some sleep.
Originally posted by Pride7 Eve a titan!?! LMAO - thank you for the funniest post of the day! Here are just a few other MMO's that have more subscribers than Eve... - City of Hero's/Villians - EverQuest 1 & 2 - LineAge 1 & 2 - Star Wars Galaxies - Final Fantasy
Fixed.
And what is one major difference between all those? All of them are over 1+ year old. Only 1 of them is still significantly growing. EvE-Online.
"I know I said this was my last post, but you my friend are a idiotic moron." -Shadow4482
Originally posted by Pride7 Eve a titan!?! LMAO - thank you for the funniest post of the day! Here are just a few other MMO's that have more subscribers than Eve... - City of Hero's/Villians - EverQuest 1 & 2 - LineAge 1 & 2 - Star Wars Galaxies - Final Fantasy
To say the truth.. thats not really true.
Just look at the statistic:
WoW - it is the nr. 1 with over 7 million subscriber world wide( and at least over 2 million in europe/usa)
LineAge 1&2 - have both around 1,5 million subscriber, but just because the asia market(and this market is a lot different, no real subsriber), if you look just US&Europe they have both below 100k, not really relevant in any way.
Runescape - you cant count it either(above 500k), it is a free game(aol?)
Final Fantasy - it is the same as LineAge, in US&Europe Market it is almost unimportant.. i dont know the exact numbers, but not more than 200k
And now come the real follow up games after WoW
- EvE(above 200k) - Everquest 1&2 (i really dont know the exact numbers, both maybe around 200k) - City of Heroes/Villians (200k maybe) - DAoC (nowadays a lil below 200k) - SWG (below 200k, or even below 150k nowadays?)
All the rest is below 150k.
And now why is EvE more important nowadays than all those other games? Really simple, because it is the only game(except WoW of course), which have up to now increasing subcriber numbers. The good days for all the other games are all in the past.
With other words, nowadays, we have just WoW(and only WoW) and a lil follower with increasing numbers called EvE Online... all other games are almost history, and EvE cant compare with WoW.(Subscribers above 2million and above 200k is not really a comparison in any way)
Originally posted by two2litres theyre trying to determine the quality of mmorpgs, not determine which is more popular.
honestly im just worried ccp will cave-in and hunt profits instead of following thier dreams, ending up like so many other games on the market which are basically just clones of each other.
I know the above is somewhat back in the thread, but it is vital. If they are trying to do this then they are going about it in completely the wrong fashion. People don't vote for what game is the "best" they vote for what game they think is the "best" which happens to be the game they are playing! Which should be "DUH".... people don't typically pay for a game they think is less entertaining.
I don't think EvE is a bad game(I honestly have no opinion), but all of the arguements made by EvE players on these boards comes off as boring illogical fanboy drivel. If there was any chance I was going to play EvE it is long gone now because of the blantant stupidity shown by the fanboys on these boards.
The only reliable measure in my mind of the quality of a game is the critical analysis industry pundits. Obviously given the dynamic nature of mmo's a realistic judgement of quality of a game that hasn't been reviewed in two years would be subject.
These "awards" hold no value to those of us that can see them for what they are, a pointless charade.
Perhaps i fall into a middle ground rather then casual and hard core due to time investment in games as a whole.
I dont like FPS or Online fps mixed with strategy. Plain and simple i like a wariety of MMORPGS. This cuts down on the sheer number of games i have available to play. Whether free to play or subscription there isnt a whole lot of different games IMO to wrap my sanity around. At our household we have experienced(recently) The Saga of Ryzom,EQ2,WoW,EvE, and about 9 asian themed grind clones.
We have guild wars but we stopped playing it 2 weeks after we bought it which was original launch. We tried for a week to try and wrap our time investment around the game but failed miserably. We played Saga of Ryzom from closed Alpha to Open Beta. The developers on that decided to screw everyone but the french at that point and we left in disgust. We would have stayed with the game had it not been so anti-North American. We've played WoW since launch and had multiple accounts. Due to some recent and ongoing problems we have with Blizzard as a company and the way it caters to certain parties we have consolidated to 1 account. To fill the gap we picked up EQ2 with the EoF expansion. We are thoroughly enjoying it due to the fact that while we're not major PvPers and mostly solo based PVE fanatics(US versus the world) we enjoy crafting items on a fanatical level. What gets us going is taking hours to gather materials and finding items and then eventually getting back to our house and sitting down and seeing what we can make.
For some time in the PC market i have noticed a severe decline in the number of release titles or 'new blood' titles in genres i enjoy. People just arent making games and trying to get into the market....They're trying to take bites out of each others market.
As there is, the MMORPG.com community consists of mostly EvE and WoW players mind you, don't take numbers too seriously on private sites, it'll just make you upset..
Played so far: 9Dragons, AO, AC, AC2, CoX, DAoC, DF, DnL, DR, DDO, Ent, EvE, EQ, EQ2, FoMK, FFO, Fury, GW, HG:L, HZ, L1, L2, M59, MU, NC1, NC2, PS, PT, R:O, RF:O, RYL, Ryzom, SL, SB, SW:G, TR, TCoS, MX:O, UO, VG, WAR, WoW... It all sucked.
Originally posted by Pride7 Eve a titan!?! LMAO - thank you for the funniest post of the day! Here are just a few other MMO's that have more subscribers than Eve... - City of Hero's/Villians - EverQuest 1 & 2 - LineAge 1 & 2 - Star Wars Galaxies - Final Fantasy
SWG more subscribers than EVE? Are you serious or was that the beer typing?
But you're correct EVE isn't a Titan financially atleast, I'd say WoW and lineage 1/2 are the only true titans at the moment and WoW is king of that hill. Though I'd say CCP is king of the PR hill when it comes to MMO companies.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
Originally posted by Apraxis Originally posted by Pride7 Eve a titan!?! LMAO - thank you for the funniest post of the day! Here are just a few other MMO's that have more subscribers than Eve... - City of Hero's/Villians - EverQuest 1 & 2 - LineAge 1 & 2 - Star Wars Galaxies - Final Fantasy
To say the truth.. thats not really true.
Just look at the statistic:
WoW - it is the nr. 1 with over 7 million subscriber world wide( and at least over 2 million in europe/usa)
LineAge 1&2 - have both around 1,5 million subscriber, but just because the asia market(and this market is a lot different, no real subsriber), if you look just US&Europe they have both below 100k, not really relevant in any way.
Runescape - you cant count it either(above 500k), it is a free game(aol?)
Final Fantasy - it is the same as LineAge, in US&Europe Market it is almost unimportant.. i dont know the exact numbers, but not more than 200k
And now come the real follow up games after WoW
- EvE(above 200k) - Everquest 1&2 (i really dont know the exact numbers, both maybe around 200k) - City of Heroes/Villians (200k maybe) - DAoC (nowadays a lil below 200k) - SWG (below 200k, or even below 150k nowadays?)
All the rest is below 150k.
And now why is EvE more important nowadays than all those other games? Really simple, because it is the only game(except WoW of course), which have up to now increasing subcriber numbers. The good days for all the other games are all in the past.
With other words, nowadays, we have just WoW(and only WoW) and a lil follower with increasing numbers called EvE Online... all other games are almost history, and EvE cant compare with WoW.(Subscribers above 2million and above 200k is not really a comparison in any way) Your stats are wrong
WOW: 7mil or so. Actually I suspect this is heading downward slowly now.... I think they've plateaued finally.
Lineage 1 & 2: Both at about 1.5mil as you said. Both under 100k subs in US & Europe combined. However, you can't just discount asia because you don't like that they have high numbers. They have 1.5mil subscriptions being paid to them. That's really all that matters. So, yes, they're bigger than EVE.
FFXI: 600-700k subscribers worldwide
EVE: Since we're going with worldwide: 170,000 Subscribers in World + 300,000 Beta Accounts in China. If that holds up it will be well over 400,000 subscribers worldwide once China Servers go retail.
The rest: No other games even come close to those.
To steal a term from the 'leet' folks: Kthanksbye
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
Originally posted by flintlokI tried both these MMOG's and tbh i thought they both sucked. EVE i tried for six months and I found it very boring. Although some people like it im not sure
Just out of curiosity: Why did you play for 6 months if you found it boring???
If you don't like a game or find it boring then don't play it. LOL EVE isn't a game that everyone will like. Some like it, some find it boring. I love it.
PS: There is no way your ship was "trapped" in a Player owned station (I am assuming you meant OUTPOST, dockable starbase, as opposed to a POS), even in an OUTPOST it can't get 'trapped' there. Worst case situation you left it docked at a station which got taken over and you can't dock to get the ship. In that case you just escrow it and sell it for a fair price and buy a new one. Someone who lives in that area and can dock there will buy it eventually.
But, simple tip: Never ever ever leave something you can't afford to lose in a location that can wind up costing you the item. Period. I still get baffled when people do this to themselves. The cardinal rule in EVE is: Don't risk what you can't afford to lose. If you can't afford to lose it it should remain docked in a NPC station, preferably in high-sec empire.
Oh and Player Outposts can only be created in 0.0 so that means that you flew it out there. Thus violating part A of Rule 1: Do not Fly what you cannot afford to lose. (Which is a sub-rule of Rule 1: Do not Risk what you can't afford to Lose)
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
Originally posted by flintlok I tried both these MMOG's and tbh i thought they both sucked. EVE i tried for six months and I found it very boring. Although some people like it im not sure
Just out of curiosity: Why did you play for 6 months if you found it boring???
If you don't like a game or find it boring then don't play it. LOL EVE isn't a game that everyone will like. Some like it, some find it boring. I love it.
PS: There is no way your ship was "trapped" in a Player owned station (I am assuming you meant OUTPOST, dockable starbase, as opposed to a POS), even in an OUTPOST it can't get 'trapped' there. Worst case situation you left it docked at a station which got taken over and you can't dock to get the ship. In that case you just escrow it and sell it for a fair price and buy a new one. Someone who lives in that area and can dock there will buy it eventually.
But, simple tip: Never ever ever leave something you can't afford to lose in a location that can wind up costing you the item. Period. I still get baffled when people do this to themselves. The cardinal rule in EVE is: Don't risk what you can't afford to lose. If you can't afford to lose it it should remain docked in a NPC station, preferably in high-sec empire.
Oh and Player Outposts can only be created in 0.0 so that means that you flew it out there. Thus violating part A of Rule 1: Do not Fly what you cannot afford to lose. (Which is a sub-rule of Rule 1: Do not Risk what you can afford to Lose)
Thanks the tip .
Why did i play for so long ... after what has been said about EVE i thought i must be missing something in the hope I would eventually find it interesting. It does afterall seem to get high scores and people raving about how good it is.
Dont htink that the stats on this saight validate any popularity for any said game, as not every player, not even close to every mmo player uses this sight, this poll, and contest is only validated by its members on this sight and by its readers.
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'Specially since that's working for them just fine.
Jeff Freeman
Yes.
They is.
'Specially since that's working for them just fine.
oh man, i hope your right.
from now on you just get coppy+paste
Well obvious more people read it then you seem to think, as "EVE even got nominated for best PVE. PVE! EVE! I have seen some of the most diehard EVE fans stating that EVE does not deserve the PVE Award. there are so many more games that deserve the PVE award then EVE. People will indeed see the thread, but there is nothing to reply on, just vote, and witht he activeness of the WoW forum the thread would fall to page 2 Very fast. you know, thats why it got stickied. and on a sidenote."
"Anyone else not impressed with the LFG tool ? [Page: 1 . 2 . 3 . 4 . 5]
Druid changes are not in the patch. [Page: 1 . 2 . 3 . 4 . 5 . 6 . 7 . 8 . 9]
Things people care about do stay on the front page
Once again two topics that people cared about enough to keep on the front page without bumping or sticky. once again not my fault it's people whining.
also before you say it again. yah sure it would fall because this thread is about the vote and it's sure not on the front page still.. what could people have to say about the wow vs eve thing on the wow forums? *looks at the now 11 page long thread* nope nothing to talk about here.
What you are about to say
"Point out un-important things ftw? You know just as well as I do that if I post it on the WoW forums, it would fall to the next page very quickly. Which happens ont he EVE forum as well..hence they had to sticky it
was on the first page for a while before they noticed it and made it a sticky. in wow land that would be enough time for quite a few people to see it.
"Because your mods grabbed someone else's post, made it a sticky, and posted a news message on the main website while they are at it."
Because someone made the post
Go make one yourself.....if you won't/can't the door is open for someone to post about on the wow forums just like it was on the eve forums but no one will/does thus proving my point that they don't care as much blah blah blah you get the idea but it wont matter your just going to keep posting..atleast in a few mins i'll be able to coppy+paste instead of having to type. If you feel this strongly and don't have a wow account and fear no one will post about this because they don't know/care go make one post on the forums and stop bitching.
MMO market is a wasteland of poor products and failures.
WOW, EVE are the only viable options
EQ2,CoH-CoVand Guildwars - being good alternatives for more casual play
"Before this battle is over all the world will know that few...stood against many." - King Leonidas
I've never felt the way i did about my first. i'm pretty badly addicted to eve atm but not nearly as bad as i was when i first popped in eq. i've found this pattern to hold true in many other areas of life as well. your first will always be something special.
Eve has more subs than ever, and is still growing.
Making it more like WoW just wouldn't make it WoW. It'd gamble thier bigger-than-ever, and still growing subscriber-base on a longshot bet that they could turn Eve - of all things - into a better WoW than WoW (has to be better, 'cause everyone who wants to play WoW isn't sitting around waiting for something like WoW. They have WoW).
So I still think you're safe.
Jeff Freeman
if ccp ever sold out like so many others i think it would break my heart. if anyone ever says "this could be like wow in space!1" somewhere on our forums i'm going to beat them to death with a trout
*edit*
4 a.m. and 12 pages later i retire to a smoke and some sleep.
Btw, You can make that a proper link in your sig (like my name down there) by changing your sig to something like this:
[URL=http://gameloading.blogspot.com/]My mmorpg Blog[/URL]
Without all the funky colors, I mean. Just did that to show the different pieces of it.
Thanks for the advice, I'll look into it
Fixed.
And what is one major difference between all those? All of them are over 1+ year old. Only 1 of them is still significantly growing. EvE-Online.
"I know I said this was my last post, but you my friend are a idiotic moron." -Shadow4482
Just look at the statistic:
WoW - it is the nr. 1 with over 7 million subscriber world wide( and at least over 2 million in europe/usa)
LineAge 1&2 - have both around 1,5 million subscriber, but just because the asia market(and this market is a lot different, no real subsriber), if you look just US&Europe they have both below 100k, not really relevant in any way.
Runescape - you cant count it either(above 500k), it is a free game(aol?)
Final Fantasy - it is the same as LineAge, in US&Europe Market it is almost unimportant.. i dont know the exact numbers, but not more than 200k
And now come the real follow up games after WoW
- EvE(above 200k)
- Everquest 1&2 (i really dont know the exact numbers, both maybe around 200k)
- City of Heroes/Villians (200k maybe)
- DAoC (nowadays a lil below 200k)
- SWG (below 200k, or even below 150k nowadays?)
All the rest is below 150k.
And now why is EvE more important nowadays than all those other games? Really simple, because it is the only game(except WoW of course), which have up to now increasing subcriber numbers. The good days for all the other games are all in the past.
With other words, nowadays, we have just WoW(and only WoW) and a lil follower with increasing numbers called EvE Online... all other games are almost history, and EvE cant compare with WoW.(Subscribers above 2million and above 200k is not really a comparison in any way)
well the awards seem a bit of a shambles, I had to nominate WoW in all the sections as I've not played Eve Online.
I don't think EvE is a bad game(I honestly have no opinion), but all of the arguements made by EvE players on these boards comes off as boring illogical fanboy drivel. If there was any chance I was going to play EvE it is long gone now because of the blantant stupidity shown by the fanboys on these boards.
The only reliable measure in my mind of the quality of a game is the critical analysis industry pundits. Obviously given the dynamic nature of mmo's a realistic judgement of quality of a game that hasn't been reviewed in two years would be subject.
These "awards" hold no value to those of us that can see them for what they are, a pointless charade.
Perhaps i fall into a middle ground rather then casual and hard core due to time investment in games as a whole.
I dont like FPS or Online fps mixed with strategy. Plain and simple i like a wariety of MMORPGS. This cuts down on the sheer number of games i have available to play. Whether free to play or subscription there isnt a whole lot of different games IMO to wrap my sanity around. At our household we have experienced(recently) The Saga of Ryzom,EQ2,WoW,EvE, and about 9 asian themed grind clones.
We have guild wars but we stopped playing it 2 weeks after we bought it which was original launch. We tried for a week to try and wrap our time investment around the game but failed miserably. We played Saga of Ryzom from closed Alpha to Open Beta. The developers on that decided to screw everyone but the french at that point and we left in disgust. We would have stayed with the game had it not been so anti-North American. We've played WoW since launch and had multiple accounts. Due to some recent and ongoing problems we have with Blizzard as a company and the way it caters to certain parties we have consolidated to 1 account. To fill the gap we picked up EQ2 with the EoF expansion. We are thoroughly enjoying it due to the fact that while we're not major PvPers and mostly solo based PVE fanatics(US versus the world) we enjoy crafting items on a fanatical level. What gets us going is taking hours to gather materials and finding items and then eventually getting back to our house and sitting down and seeing what we can make.
For some time in the PC market i have noticed a severe decline in the number of release titles or 'new blood' titles in genres i enjoy. People just arent making games and trying to get into the market....They're trying to take bites out of each others market.
As there is, the MMORPG.com community consists of mostly EvE and WoW players mind you,
don't take numbers too seriously on private sites,
it'll just make you upset..
Played so far: 9Dragons, AO, AC, AC2, CoX, DAoC, DF, DnL, DR, DDO, Ent, EvE, EQ, EQ2, FoMK, FFO, Fury, GW, HG:L, HZ, L1, L2, M59, MU, NC1, NC2, PS, PT, R:O, RF:O, RYL, Ryzom, SL, SB, SW:G, TR, TCoS, MX:O, UO, VG, WAR, WoW...
It all sucked.
SWG more subscribers than EVE? Are you serious or was that the beer typing?
But you're correct EVE isn't a Titan financially atleast, I'd say WoW and lineage 1/2 are the only true titans at the moment and WoW is king of that hill. Though I'd say CCP is king of the PR hill when it comes to MMO companies.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
Just look at the statistic:
WoW - it is the nr. 1 with over 7 million subscriber world wide( and at least over 2 million in europe/usa)
LineAge 1&2 - have both around 1,5 million subscriber, but just because the asia market(and this market is a lot different, no real subsriber), if you look just US&Europe they have both below 100k, not really relevant in any way.
Runescape - you cant count it either(above 500k), it is a free game(aol?)
Final Fantasy - it is the same as LineAge, in US&Europe Market it is almost unimportant.. i dont know the exact numbers, but not more than 200k
And now come the real follow up games after WoW
- EvE(above 200k)
- Everquest 1&2 (i really dont know the exact numbers, both maybe around 200k)
- City of Heroes/Villians (200k maybe)
- DAoC (nowadays a lil below 200k)
- SWG (below 200k, or even below 150k nowadays?)
All the rest is below 150k.
And now why is EvE more important nowadays than all those other games? Really simple, because it is the only game(except WoW of course), which have up to now increasing subcriber numbers. The good days for all the other games are all in the past.
With other words, nowadays, we have just WoW(and only WoW) and a lil follower with increasing numbers called EvE Online... all other games are almost history, and EvE cant compare with WoW.(Subscribers above 2million and above 200k is not really a comparison in any way)
Your stats are wrong
- WOW: 7mil or so. Actually I suspect this is heading downward slowly now.... I think they've plateaued finally.
- Lineage 1 & 2: Both at about 1.5mil as you said. Both under 100k subs in US & Europe combined. However, you can't just discount asia because you don't like that they have high numbers. They have 1.5mil subscriptions being paid to them. That's really all that matters. So, yes, they're bigger than EVE.
- FFXI: 600-700k subscribers worldwide
- EVE: Since we're going with worldwide: 170,000 Subscribers in World + 300,000 Beta Accounts in China. If that holds up it will be well over 400,000 subscribers worldwide once China Servers go retail.
- The rest: No other games even come close to those.
To steal a term from the 'leet' folks: Kthanksbye"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
I tried both these MMOG's and tbh i thought they both sucked.
EVE i tried for six months and I found it very boring. Although some people like it im not sure
why. I gave up on it in the end when my ship i had costing 80 million ISK got trapped in a player
operated station and I could not get it out and the insurance would not pay up because it as not
destroyed. I could not afford a new one and i could not be bothered spending weeks playing to get
the same ship again. I tried mining and fighting looting. Maybe the secret was either pirating or trading
but for me as I said simply boring and a waste of time and money.
WOW i tried for 3 months and I just didnt like the leveling up grinding thing I also didnt like the characters either.
It seemed to me to not really require any thought to play and bored me in a few days of play.
Best game i played so far is Starwars Galaxies, Pre Combat upgrade but that does not exist anymore and now
its become a boring game too.
So tried Starwars Galaxies , WOW , Anarchy Online , Face of Mankind , ArchLord and found them all
lacking.
Ah well ill keep looking but voting for no MMORPGs atm would seem a good choice.
Flintlok.
Why did you play for 6 months if you found it boring???
If you don't like a game or find it boring then don't play it. LOL EVE isn't a game that everyone will like. Some like it, some find it boring. I love it.
PS: There is no way your ship was "trapped" in a Player owned station (I am assuming you meant OUTPOST, dockable starbase, as opposed to a POS), even in an OUTPOST it can't get 'trapped' there. Worst case situation you left it docked at a station which got taken over and you can't dock to get the ship. In that case you just escrow it and sell it for a fair price and buy a new one. Someone who lives in that area and can dock there will buy it eventually.
But, simple tip: Never ever ever leave something you can't afford to lose in a location that can wind up costing you the item. Period. I still get baffled when people do this to themselves. The cardinal rule in EVE is: Don't risk what you can't afford to lose. If you can't afford to lose it it should remain docked in a NPC station, preferably in high-sec empire.
Oh and Player Outposts can only be created in 0.0 so that means that you flew it out there. Thus violating part A of Rule 1: Do not Fly what you cannot afford to lose. (Which is a sub-rule of Rule 1: Do not Risk what you can't afford to Lose)
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
Why did you play for 6 months if you found it boring???
If you don't like a game or find it boring then don't play it. LOL EVE isn't a game that everyone will like. Some like it, some find it boring. I love it.
PS: There is no way your ship was "trapped" in a Player owned station (I am assuming you meant OUTPOST, dockable starbase, as opposed to a POS), even in an OUTPOST it can't get 'trapped' there. Worst case situation you left it docked at a station which got taken over and you can't dock to get the ship. In that case you just escrow it and sell it for a fair price and buy a new one. Someone who lives in that area and can dock there will buy it eventually.
But, simple tip: Never ever ever leave something you can't afford to lose in a location that can wind up costing you the item. Period. I still get baffled when people do this to themselves. The cardinal rule in EVE is: Don't risk what you can't afford to lose. If you can't afford to lose it it should remain docked in a NPC station, preferably in high-sec empire.
Oh and Player Outposts can only be created in 0.0 so that means that you flew it out there. Thus violating part A of Rule 1: Do not Fly what you cannot afford to lose. (Which is a sub-rule of Rule 1: Do not Risk what you can afford to Lose)
Thanks the tip
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Why did i play for so long ... after what has been said about EVE i thought i must be missing something in the hope I would eventually find it interesting. It does afterall seem to get high scores and people raving about how good it is.
Flintlok.
playing eq2 and two worlds
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