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Never seen so many bots at once
I used to think other MMOs have bot problems, until I tried this game.
Once I got to newbie town, I was surrounded by the chars with random names.
Most of them would spawn, run to the nearest guard, attack, die and respawn again.
This was amusing to watch for a while, though I am not sure how any farmers expect
to make moneyif all their bot does is dying
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They de-level themselves (all dwarves) so they can spoil (extract from a mob) certain materials that are ideal for that level and that are in demand.
Quit the game, it's stupid.
Cryomatrix
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It has settled down some now that the free trial is over, seems alot of the botters just came and got the free trial on here and uised to 14 days to make as many bots as they could and then transfer all the loot or whatever to their main bots.
Sad really
I started a couple months ago after they major banning of bot accounts. At that time, I saw some bots as they were leveling up again but it was obvious someone was watching because they always left a camp if I came to it and started pulling mobs.
Eventually they must have outleveled me completely, no surprise there, and I haven't really seen any except in areas like Ivory Tower. They seem to be set to autolog if you hit them once. It gets the attention of whomwever is watching the train when you tag a healer a couple times and they log them. (that reported from clannie as I really don't see them anymore).
Starter villages-ack, now that is the exception. I started an alt after I heard about the newbie areas and while I was able to level past the area fine the dwarves were annoying for sure. Now that the trial accounts are expiring there are less and less of them but they still have the spoilers around in the newbie areas. (Spoilers, said above, for the crafting mats).
But on a more serious note, bots in noob towns were recently banned farmers. The higher level you get the less you see because they rarely make it to that level. 70+ I don't see bots anymore except an occasional player using one on their healer.
L2 doesn't really have more bots than most popular MMOs, just L2 has really no instances and the bot programs are really "bot behavior" detectable. Meaning it is easy to tell who is a bot and who isn't, well usually anyway.
Just gotta realize that if you are going to play any MMO there will be bots and/or farmers. Either just forget about them, don't support them with buying their currency, or bot yourself. If the only thing you don't like about L2 is the farmer/bot problem then don't quit. But if it is more like the PvP, graphics, grind in general, then quit.
I like the game, and within the last few months I have seen HUGE amounts of bots, and even players using bots get banned... NCsoft bans bots in rounds, mass bans is what they call them.
But on a more serious note, bots in noob towns were recently banned farmers. The higher level you get the less you see because they rarely make it to that level. 70+ I don't see bots anymore except an occasional player using one on their healer.
L2 doesn't really have more bots than most popular MMOs, just L2 has really no instances and the bot programs are really "bot behavior" detectable. Meaning it is easy to tell who is a bot and who isn't, well usually anyway.
Just gotta realize that if you are going to play any MMO there will be bots and/or farmers. Either just forget about them, don't support them with buying their currency, or bot yourself. If the only thing you don't like about L2 is the farmer/bot problem then don't quit. But if it is more like the PvP, graphics, grind in general, then quit.
I like the game, and within the last few months I have seen HUGE amounts of bots, and even players using bots get banned... NCsoft bans bots in rounds, mass bans is what they call them.
you're wrong.
L2 recently had a free trial, and one of the easiest ways to make money is to run dozens of OOG (out-of-game bot) clients on a single computer and have them stay in the level 20-ish range.
This way they can get newbie buffs from the newbie helper, and they can farm materials very easily. A few friends of mine considered getting dozens of trial accounts and doing this to farm adena for their mains. Good thing they didn't because word on the street is that people who did that had their credit cards, IP, and entire PlayNC accounts banned.
Another place you're wrong is in saying that bots are "easy to spot."
That's entirely untrue. High level bots can look very convincing to the untrained eye, and many non-farmer players will use them to level. One way to tell if someone is using a bot is to watch the way it autofollows.
Bots will move to the location where the person they're autofollowing has clicked, instead of walking behind them. Bots rarely get stuck on obstacles and bots can follow without having a target. Bots have alarms that let their operators know when someone is attacking them, and if you harass them enough they will log out.
Most bots do not want trouble, because they do NOT want to be banned and they know being petitioned highly increases the chance that they will be. Bots may be farmers who dont want to be banned because this is their job, or players who do not want to be banned because, well, no one wants to be banned!
So smack em up, threaten a petition, they'll usually do whatever you want.
Another huge mass ban today, lots of botters in large clans were banned.
No and bots are pretty easy to tell unless they are completely alone...which is rare! Anymore than someone's healer, and you can tell it is a bot! My eye is very trained since I will admit I myself have used L2walker and in my free time picked it apart...
Even if your not a bot, u still need to do this to get money.
This is how the game was made.
Its because people dont understand this they get mad at the game.
The basic idea behind this tactic is:
u xp and get money> u use the money get equipment delvl.
now you are low lvl again but you have equipment now you xp lvl up, you lvl faster you get money faster because you have money
u lvl up then get even beter stuf now delvl again, you are low lvl again with uber equipment.
u lvl up realy fast and get uber money now with your good equipment.
u get money realy fast this way.
most new people dont know this and think the game is broken, but in reality thats how u play the game. JUst because you dont know how to play the game dosent mean its broken.
have fun
I'm not sure if that is a joke, but it so doesn't make sense. You level up, then you de-level, then you level up-faster.
So basically, let's work through this.
You hit lvl 20.
then you level to lvl 30. then you buy let's say top D. Then you delevel back to 20. So now, you are level 20 with Top D.
Then you level back up to lvl 30 and you have more money now than you did at lvl 30 the first time.
So basically, the point is after you level and de-level yourself enough by the time you reach lvl 40, you'll have enough money to get top C grade and likewise at lvl 52 at top B grade.
Yeah, that's a terrible idea. You're essentially sacrificing levels for money and that's a horrible idea. If you want to make money, you work the market.
Find out the prices of items, buy low, sell high, rinse and repeat. Try to get some help so you can get Top C, and top B grade to get you through the levels until you hot 61 and keep top B grade at 61 while you work the market. A grade isn't necessary to leveling, so you don't really need it. if you play the market enough you'll be able to afford your gear.
The way you're doing it, you'll be lvl 52 for the 23323 time before you have enough money for B grade. Then again, you're just joking most likely. ANother way to make money is to use seven signs or manor system and also get ina group and don't use soulshots. You'll make good money that way. Also, do raid bosses, also ebay works great. If you are on Hindemith and need some adena, i got the cheapest stuff.
Cryomatrix
You can see my sci-fi/WW2 book recommendations.
i am not joking, youl be amused how much money youl make.
The thing is there are ebay people thats why you can make alot of money on the market.
So u basicaly need to thank people that ebay, because without them youd never get money trough the market.
Aso boters/farmers are big part of the game without them no one would have any grater then c grade items.
The items whould cost soo much money.
I dont know why people hate bots so much without them you would not enjoiy the game. This goes for alot of games.
This is bacause the drop rate is so low.
You guys can call me a bot lover or what ever but this is the truth.
lets say you hit lvl 40 u delvl onece to lvl 20, when you hit lvl 40 youl probably have top c gear and it wont take you wery long.
It always depends on your class. some clases use up whay to much money to lvl.
like a dwarf/spoiler could proly get some b grade armore from doing this.
like say archer who is using ss whould proly not have that much money.
Have fun
It's weird. I just started playing about two weeks ago (on a 14 day trial). I haven't run into any bots. I don't assume that they're all gone. But at the starter villages, I'm lucky if I even see three other players during a two hour session. I just assumed that the bots are all at higher levels... and that NCSoft has cut down on some of them.
I'm on the Erica server and have spent time grinding at the Orc Village, Talking Island, Elf Village. I hope that the bots don't come back because I have really enjoyed the open fields of MOBs to grind on. It gets old having to wait for respawn due to farmers.
Death By Roo Roo!
Deleveling is just retarded, might as well roll an alt. But really you just need to learn how to play the market granted it doesn't really start till you hit C grade and really starts to take off at B grade.
The economy isn't as screwed up as people think. It just takes some thinking and a few opportunities. It is a free economy so meaning you exploit something that you are good at, a skill, a quest, simple marketing skills, you will make money.
I have struggled with money all the way to lvl 72 and now it is finally rolling in. My Niche was team work with crafting.
I just logged onto Erica and was at the Elven starter village. Dwarves are spawning continuously in the center of the town and then sprinting to the guards and attacking them until they die.
The dwarves all have "adfklkja" kind of names and I've watched about 20 dwarves so far die this way. Weird?!? And they aren't stopping. I wonder what's going on? Is it something that NCSoft is doing to cause botsto react a specific way? Could be a test on NCSoft's part too.
Death By Roo Roo!
Yeah this has been happening a lot in noob towns. I noticed it on Hinde too. I think it is what was said before.. People grabbing up tons of free trials to try to farm adena for their mains. If it is true that NC is using that to ban all of the main toons, I am not going to complain. Getting rid of the high lvl folks who use bots is worth the swarming in the noob towns.
Here are some more ways to spot bots that weren't mentioned before. Watch a bot attack, and click on the monster it is running towards. Some bot programs will detect that another player has targeted a mob and will turn away from it automatically. They don't want to be banned so they are pre-programmed to not kill steal. If you know this, you can keep targeting mobs that a bot is running towards and make it run in circles.
Do NOT assume someone is a bot just because they don't respond to a "hi." That was reccomended on L2 Radio and it just isn't fair to international players and those who are not social or (like myself) keep their chat open in party or clan chat and don't have general chat visible.
If you want to try talking, ask "are you a bot?" Some of the bots are programmed with an auto response and after about 4 times asking "are you a bot?" and getting the same exact answer well.. you know what it is. ^^
When reporting a bot, make sure you give NC a very detailed and clear reason why you believe it is a bot. If you can help it, don't chase the bot off. Sometimes NC will try to confirm on their own that the toon is a bot and if you have pk'd it or spooked it off they can't do that.
It does sound like NC is making serious efforts to get rid of the low AND high lvl bots. I have been reading a few forums where people openly discuss their botting habits and more and more of the super high lvl ones are going "omg I was banned." Go NC!
That strange behavior you witnessed was just the bots deleveling themselves to stay in an optimum level range for farming a certain monster. It's most effective when don with several accounts. Basically, the reason you'll either see a ton of dwarves in town doing this or ZERO in town doing this, is because 10, 20, or 30+ dwarves are likely controlled by the same person or small group of people.
But, rest assured, the fact that it is one person means that botting as a whole is on the decline. That one person may get away with botting those dwarves for a little while, and he'll try to sell whatever adena he can while they're active, but they'll all be banned eventually.
It's unfortunate that NCsoft can't permanently remove some of these people, but with dynamic IPs, proxies, and game cards instead of credit cards, it can be difficult to keep an unwanted person out of your game. Honestly, I think the way it is now is just about as good as it'll get. No one bots their main characters anymore, and I suspect that many do not even bot support chars who party with their mains because it's just not worth getting banned.
Farmers will continue to bot, or get banned trying, but if they're the only ones doing it then L2 is doing pretty good.
Thanks. Great explanation. I'm new to LII, so "deleveling" as a means of "leveling" easier is odd... though it makes some sense, I guess. Makes more sense for bots who want to be in an optimal range for farming.
Death By Roo Roo!